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== Scrubbing of article, "recentism," notability, etc. == |
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== Media invokes Trigg Palin into likeability of Palin == |
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I, as many, feel that children are off limits in campaigns. However, I see this reintroduction of Sarah Palin's [[Down Syndrome]] child as a relaunch of the social issue into the 2012 presidential election. This is essentially the dog whistle for [[Rick Santorum]] to ignite the issue. I would like to propose an article section for Palin, taking this idea from a hunch, or opinion, to a NPOV; The bias of my interest, and expression of, in this topic is being held in check. I would like input on this as I await the anticipated more reputable coverage of the issue than the Fox News August 12, 2012 interview with Palin. Further more, an accurate or appropriate description of the difficulties of families with Down's children has not done justice. Arguably this expression on her son was personal; but, with the presentation on a political site it is now justifiably, political. |
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An interview segment; ....I believe that Paul Ryan will certainly be scrutinized. He will be vetted but there is a lot of us who will have his back and we will call out the media for their lies, for their distortions as they try to thrash his reputation and his record," Sarah Palin said on FOX News on Sunday... |
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The concluding of brash statements with a likeability plug is a classic tool developed by media social scientist and the message should be taken in its entirety. |
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/12/palin_on_media_scrutinizing_paul_ryan_a_lot_of_us_will_have_his_back.html |
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[[User:Wikipietime|Wikipietime]] ([[User talk:Wikipietime|talk]]) 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Im not sure what you would like to change about this article, but, the likeability of Palin, Trigg, Rick Santorum and the like is all clearly [[WP:OR]]. Please remember, [[WP:FORUM]]. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 22:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC) |
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== Game Change == |
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I scoured all the Sarah Palin articles and it appears Game Change, which won a bevy of awards as a breakdown of the McCain/Palin campaign based upon the book, bears no mention anywhere in the collected Sarah Palin articles. Have any attempts been made to include this information? My history checks didn't see anything, if not then it should most appropriately be included in the Public Image article, I think. [[User:Revrant|Revrant]] ([[User talk:Revrant|talk]]) 06:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:From my recollection, this topic came up when the ''Game Change'' book was initially published. The main issue was that the book had a lot of sensational claims (which were later apparently included in the film). The claims about Palin were anonymously sourced, and were specifically denied on the record by a lot of people, including McCain, a bunch of campaign advisors, and Palin herself. The consensus was that we couldn't include this info per the BLP policy. A similiar discussion was had here when the Joe McGinnis book was published. Policy generally was to include the info in the articles about the books/films themselves without placing them in the BLP. [[User:Kelly|<span style="color:#060;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''Kelly'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kelly|hi!]]</sup> 15:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC) |
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::I don't think politicians denying things amounts to a credible source nor a reason to eject information pertaining to them from their articles, and going by that metric there's a lot of fluff that shouldn't be in her articles and especially in her Public Image article. [[User:Revrant|Revrant]] ([[User talk:Revrant|talk]]) 09:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:::The problem is that there is no credible source for the allegations themselves either. [[User:Kelly|<span style="color:#060;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''Kelly'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kelly|hi!]]</sup> 15:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Track Palin and Britta File for Divorce == |
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We should note that Track Palin and his wife Britta have [http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2012/12/12/sarah-palin-oldest-son-track-files-for-divorce/CKEnqc47Bw0rWGbOeBib5N/story.html filed for a divorce], though they have a 16-month child at the time of that filing.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MaynardClark|MaynardClark]] ([[User talk:MaynardClark|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MaynardClark|contribs]]) 0422, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:Why? [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 07:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Exactly. Neither of them are public figures. [[User:Kelly|<span style="color:#060;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''Kelly'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kelly|hi!]]</sup> 09:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Well, they shouldn't be notable, but Sarah Palin comes from that area of politics that claims an image of wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. Such pollies draw attention to their kids as part of their own image. That's why people notice when things don't quite stay in the mould of the wholesome, sweet, traditional family life. When things are running smoothly, Palin and her supporters would be delighted to have the lives of the children mentioned, but probably not now. I'm happy to move forward to the position that really, what the kids do is irrelevant, or ought to be, but Bonewah and Kelly, you asked. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 09:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Let's move along, then. This is not a bio of Track Palin, it's a bio of his mother. We don't discuss, for example, [[Carrie Fisher]]'s divorce in the article on [[Debbie Reynolds]], and we don't discuss Al Gore III's legal troubles in [[Al Gore]]. I've been consistent on this; if you recall, I also opposed mentioning the marriage, because it's not relevant to ''Sarah Palin'', the subject of the article. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sarah_Palin&diff=432104020&oldid=432084212 I started a discussion in June 2011 on the topic].) Snide references to Palin's "wholesome, sweet, traditional family life" and imputations of the motivations of other editors don't make editing any more collegial, HiLo48; please use a little more discretion and tact when discussing people you don't like. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="#112233">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 14:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::I made no comment at all on the motivations of other editors. I did comment on the self-chosen image of politicians (about most of whom I'm cynical), and if you can fault my observation, please do so, but it has nothing to do with who I like or don't like. I didn't report on the divorce. The media did. I attempted to explain why. Oh, and I make equally cynical observations about almost all politicians. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 17:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::If only we were all under the public microscope such that all our mistakes and shortfalls were equally over-scrutinized... Either way, it isn't something that is notable enough for this page. [[User:Ckruschke|Ckruschke]] ([[User talk:Ckruschke|talk]]) 18:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke |
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:::::::If only, indeed. Aside from the fact that this is irrelevant to her bio, I think it's important to remember that her children, (or the children of any politician or celebrity), are still private citizens who deserve to have their privacy respected. I find it sad that news agencies don't follow the standards set by the Society of Professional Journalists, regarding these matters, but I feel that, as an encyclopedia, we should strive for more news-worthy information rather than sinking to tabloid-style reporting. Its the mob-mentality that makes it seem ok to go after someone's family or friends to try and get to them, and that makes it far too easy to forget that the pawns in this game are actual human beings. [[User:Zaereth|Zaereth]] ([[User talk:Zaereth|talk]]) 22:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Sarah's ex daughter in law == |
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Track is no longer married to her. Can someone change that section of the article to say she was his ex or former wife? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/track-palin-wife-divorcing-article-1.1218884 [[Special:Contributions/108.93.72.117|108.93.72.117]] ([[User talk:108.93.72.117|talk]]) 23:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:I see this was already covered above. Disregard my message, though I still think the wording is inaccurate now. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.93.72.117|108.93.72.117]] ([[User talk:108.93.72.117|talk]]) 23:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Raging populist == |
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Sarah Palin's family is a clearly newsworthy topic, much as are Joe Biden's or Donald Trump's. She was present, calling police as Track attacked Todd. Bonewah's ("B"s) edits reveal some interesting features. As of yesterday, "B" has edited the Palin article's Talk page 138 times, adding 71,264 bytes. I haven't the time to go over those one by one, but it appears "B" differed with and erased edits to the articles made by many editors. "B" has edited the "Political Positions of Sarah Palin 122 times, the Sarah Palin article 62 times, the "Public Image of Sarah Palin" article 58 times, the SP "Talk" article 139 times, the "Political Positions of S.P. Talk article 102 times, the S.P. "Public Image" Talk article 39 times, the "Parodies of Sarah Palin" Talk article 31 times, and the "Resignation of Sarah Palin" article 9 times for a total of 600 edits about her. I'd written earlier, Wikipedia is not a fan club. Rather than ostensible "recentism," "VECO"/Bill Allen's contributions to Sarah were first noted in 2002 by the Anchorage Daily News after being reported to the Alaska Political Offices Commission. They constituted 20% of all her contributions for that race. Allen, the richest man in the state, was indicted for bribery and laundering campaign contributions. He turned state's evidence, and with his executive VP, Richard Smith, testified against many other recipients of his corporate largesse, including five state legislators who went to jail, plus an aging, infirm, ex-legislator to house arrest. U.S. Senator [[Ted Stevens]] was convicted of seven felonies in a D.C. trial, eight days before losing his reelection after almost 40 years in office. (Sidney Powell wrote a book, "Licensed to Lie," proclaiming Ted's "innocence.") U.S. Rep. [[Don Young]], expecting his own indictment, spent over $1 million in campaign funds preparing for the criminal case though Eric Holder didn't indict him. Bill Allen died this year, but spent three years in the federal pen, along with his Executive V.P. Sarah's family is important: Her kids, save for her youngest, have had regular run ins with the law, even Willow, involved as a juvenile in a destructive invasion of a vacationing elderly couple's home. Track was probably saved from doing prison time the first time he was arrested, thanks to the family position and him being a veteran. His Lake Lucille home invasion was very violent, violating probation and possibly a restraining order. I think the police had to pull Track off the roof. All of that was well covered by "The Frontiersman." Tony Hopfinger who wrote the 2008 piece about VECO dough, was a long time reporter, not a guest or staff columnist, for the [[Anchorage Daily News]] and its successor, the Alaska Dispatch News. Six years later, that story had staying power; it hardly was "recentism," but was reportage, not an opinion piece. Let me suggest Sarah's relationship with Bill Allen and his contributions remain. Erasures should be first discussed in the article's Talk page. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 12:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Somebody has to find some reliable sources and write in the article that Palin is a raging populist. Just take a look at [http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/06/cnr.09.html this]. It's just unbearable. [[User:Nataev|Nataev]] ([[User talk:Nataev|talk]]) 12:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:Im not sure why you felt the need to start a new section on this, nor what you think you are proving by detailing my contributions to Sarah Palin related articles. As detailed above, the reliable sources i found all indicate no real connection of significance between Allen/VECO and Palin save the unremarkable campaign donation that wasent even worth mentioning in articles that explicitly were about VECO's/Allen and Palin. You can suggest anything you like about the supposed relationship between Palin and Bill Allen/VECO, but Wikipedia content is based on what reliable sources say. Your suggested inclusion is a clear violation of [[WP:UNDUE]] which states "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." by ignoring multiple reliable sources which either explicitly describe Palin's relationship with VECO as adversarial or dont note a connection at all in articles that are explicitly about VECO's corruption in the state of Alaska. Indeed, in your latest block of text you dont even bother to mention what you think the noteworthy relationship between Allen and Palin even is, preferring, i guess, to insinuate something untoward about a campaign donation so unremarkable that even articles hostile to Palin dont even mention it. |
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:As for you claims about the importance of things with Palin's family, i suggest you read [[WP:BLP]] which advises us that "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." Obviously, material about Palin's family would have to be taken on a case to case basis, but the mere fact that something is true does not necessarily mean it is appropriate to include in a BLP. |
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:Finally, as to the notion that i should have discuss reverting material you have added before removing; false. [[WP:BLP]] states "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". More generally, [[WP:ONUS]] clearly states that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 15:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Palin zombie initiative == |
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:I'm not sure what you're driving at. This speech you linked is from 2010. There are two definitions of the noun populist, so I am unclear whether you are accusing her of being a supporter of the rights of the people, or a member of the Populist Party. In either case, it would really be up to you to bring some evidence to this claim. [[User:Zaereth|Zaereth]] ([[User talk:Zaereth|talk]]) 16:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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<nowiki>:</nowiki> [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]): In an exceptionally well documented article, Politifact, the <nowiki>[[Poynter Institute]]</nowiki><nowiki>''</nowiki>s fact checkers pretty much wrote the obituary noting the demise fourteen years ago of Sarah's marquee project/initiative, that the Trans-Canada pipeline, was extremely unlikely ever to be realized. https://www.politifact.com/article/2008/sep/15/palins-pipeline-less-meets-eye/ About the time that was written, Canada's First Nations rose up in opposition to the proposal. Palin was still touting her pipe dream four years later at the Houston Hilton's conference center before an extractive industry audience with the aid of a tin ear. The world is a very different place than it was in 2008, with a powerful consensus that climate change is perhaps the most issue with which the world will have to deal. An integral part of her proposal was to hook up the Trans Canadian filthy (tar sands) oil resources to be ostensibly carried to the east coast and beyond. In fact, Trans Canada pulled the plug on life support for that boneheaded idea 15 months ago. Even Trump couldn't make that happen, and I expect he might himself in a lockup one of these days, so he'd have less juice at some point in the future than he thinks he has now. Not only did you sweep out the solidly sourced material I'd added, but you even reverted my tense correction of the word that were faced by the reality the proposal "faced" back to the preexisting "faces." Politifact also correctly noted that the pipeline wasn't Sarah's idea at all, but one she simply adopted. Her original conception was to transport gas to Valdez for compression and shipment to faraway markets (Japan, or even Germany, one presumes these days, since Vlad's tightened up that market). It doesn't seem to have risen to the level where you're Wikistalking me, and I certainly hope it doesn't get there. I would suggest you self revert. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 15:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:: Fair enough. Will try to find some sources if I feel like it. [[User:Nataev|Nataev]] ([[User talk:Nataev|talk]]) 21:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:A failed policy initiative? So what? I see a few articles around 2008 talking about it, but nothing of any great import. Likewise with the Politifact article you cite. You even state that it wasnt her idea at all. Again, how is this of lasting significance? [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 19:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== RSS is, by definition, reliable == |
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== Chairman to Chairwoman == |
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I've quoted Sarah word-for-word as published in a reliable source, yet you've chosen to make still another revert. The Alaska Republican party chose to make an endorsement of a more conservative candidate than Sarah in the current election, and you think that's not worthy of mention? Are you serious? Really? [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi, new to Wikipedia editing. I see that Sarah was appointed '''Chairman''' of the Alaskan Oil and Gas Board, or something like that. Can someone please change this to chairwoman? Thank you. |
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:Yes i am. The fact that the republican party endorsed someone else is of little note. The text "However, after he was convicted of seven felonies, a week before election day" is far from neutral. Neither is the sentence before that about what the Washington Post thinks Palin 'intended'. Speculation and opinion. Yet again, [[WP:Onus]] requires that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." I.E. you. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 20:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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He was convicted of seven felonies that prior week. Here's the first sentence in the WP article section about him. |
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<blockquote>Guilty verdict and repercussions |
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On October 27, 2008, Stevens was found guilty of all seven counts of making false statements. Stevens was only the fifth sitting senator to be convicted by a jury in U.S. history,[102]</blockquote> |
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The endorsement of the AK Republican party in a congressional election is "of little note?" |
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McCain also asked him to step down, as did McConnell, other Senators... What can you be thinking about? [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 23:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Interesting that you are so fixated on Steven's conviction, and not the fact that all the convictions were vacated due to 'gross prosecutorial misconduct'. Why the insistence on mentioning one and not the other? Lets leave the details of Ted Stevens' legal troubles to the the [[Ted Stevens]] article. As for the endorsement or non-endorsement of the AK republican party, i stand by my statement, its of little note, just like any endorsements or non-endorsements for any of the other offices she has run for or held. A quick search of this article reveals no mention of the AK republican party's endorsement (or anyone else's endorsement) when she ran for city counsel, mayor, governor or vice president. I dont see why this one is any different. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 13:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022 == |
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:I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy says about it, although I'm guessing that [[WP:ENGVAR]] applies. "Chairman" is often used for both men and women, although "chairwoman" is also acceptable, as is "chair." (Apparently, "chairperson" nobody likes. You can find more detail at the article [[Chairman]].) I am hesitant to make any changes myself without hearing from others on the matter. [[User:Zaereth|Zaereth]] ([[User talk:Zaereth|talk]]) 00:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC) |
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{{Edit semi-protected|Sarah Palin|answered=yes}} |
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== Palin's own stated reason (internally) for resignation == |
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Update the election results involving Sarah Palin in the 2022 Midterm Election. [[Special:Contributions/72.138.79.10|72.138.79.10]] ([[User talk:72.138.79.10|talk]]) 16:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Interesting information I came across, worth including for informing readers alone, though also useful to make the article more balanced in terms of POV guidelines. |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 17:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== The first tea party convention was not in 2010 == |
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While including the public statements of Palin herself and of her own aids and husband, the article does not currently include Palin's own words, internally, as reported by a high level aid, [[Frank Bailey (author) |Frank Bailey]], whose book excepts verbatim many internal emails (see books.google.com at [http://books.google.com/books?isbn=1451654413] and search there, or search google generally for the two verbatim quotes "dang him" and "Alaska is getting screwed") The fuller quote is ''"Dang him..and I didn't resign bc of the 'tough political hits' as he reports! I did it bc Alaska is getting screwed"'' (page 341). SP's fans will point to the fact that even in internal communication with high level aids she denied that resignation was due to "tough political hits" while others may ask what it says about leadership for a governor to react to their state being 'screwed' by resigning - but highly relevant on both these (and other counts). And yes, of course, the article should state "as reported by her high level aid" this email said such and such. But surprised it's not mentioned at all (came across this information by accident in, yes, brick and mortar library display section). |
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The first teaparty convention was held at Faneuil Hall Boston on December 16, 2007. What Sarah Palin attended was some GOP PAC The tea party the original one never did and still doesn’t endorse candidates it’s a movement not a political party and not a PAC and it is not the GOP when are people going to understand this? The 2010 event she attended was decidedly Republican. I formed the first tea party coalition in New Hampshire in 2007 so I should know. You can check out our website for references. nhteapartycoalition.org [[Special:Contributions/2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1|2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1]] ([[User talk:2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1|talk]]) 01:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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In any case, to avoid a narrow POV or an imbalanced article, the Resignation section should include, at least, briefly both public statements of others (with knowledge) not in her camp; and secondly internal statements are reported by those with access. I don't have at my fingertips nor am I motivated enough to look up the former, but as for the latter, here it is. The mention should be shorter for this article (and longer in the article specifically on Palin's regisnation) but should mention to balance POV, in the Resignation section here, e.g., wording like "According to a high level aid who received internal emails, in one such email Palin stated that ' I didn't resign bc of the 'tough political hits' as he reports! I did it bc Alaska is getting screwed'[ref link]" or something along those lines [[User:Harel|Harel]] ([[User talk:Harel|talk]]) 23:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:Do you mean [https://www.wbur.org/news/2007/12/17/paul-supporters-re-enact-tea-party this Ron Paul 2008 campaign event]? Because while that may have been a precursor to the Tea Party movement, it's not the Tea Party movement. It was Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 02:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:Im not so sure I would consider ''Blind Allegiance to Sarah Palin'' to be a reliable source. Ive not read it, but based on a quick look id say it has all the markings of a political hit piece and no indication of fact checking or peer review. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 14:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC) |
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Scrubbing of article, "recentism," notability, etc.
Sarah Palin's family is a clearly newsworthy topic, much as are Joe Biden's or Donald Trump's. She was present, calling police as Track attacked Todd. Bonewah's ("B"s) edits reveal some interesting features. As of yesterday, "B" has edited the Palin article's Talk page 138 times, adding 71,264 bytes. I haven't the time to go over those one by one, but it appears "B" differed with and erased edits to the articles made by many editors. "B" has edited the "Political Positions of Sarah Palin 122 times, the Sarah Palin article 62 times, the "Public Image of Sarah Palin" article 58 times, the SP "Talk" article 139 times, the "Political Positions of S.P. Talk article 102 times, the S.P. "Public Image" Talk article 39 times, the "Parodies of Sarah Palin" Talk article 31 times, and the "Resignation of Sarah Palin" article 9 times for a total of 600 edits about her. I'd written earlier, Wikipedia is not a fan club. Rather than ostensible "recentism," "VECO"/Bill Allen's contributions to Sarah were first noted in 2002 by the Anchorage Daily News after being reported to the Alaska Political Offices Commission. They constituted 20% of all her contributions for that race. Allen, the richest man in the state, was indicted for bribery and laundering campaign contributions. He turned state's evidence, and with his executive VP, Richard Smith, testified against many other recipients of his corporate largesse, including five state legislators who went to jail, plus an aging, infirm, ex-legislator to house arrest. U.S. Senator Ted Stevens was convicted of seven felonies in a D.C. trial, eight days before losing his reelection after almost 40 years in office. (Sidney Powell wrote a book, "Licensed to Lie," proclaiming Ted's "innocence.") U.S. Rep. Don Young, expecting his own indictment, spent over $1 million in campaign funds preparing for the criminal case though Eric Holder didn't indict him. Bill Allen died this year, but spent three years in the federal pen, along with his Executive V.P. Sarah's family is important: Her kids, save for her youngest, have had regular run ins with the law, even Willow, involved as a juvenile in a destructive invasion of a vacationing elderly couple's home. Track was probably saved from doing prison time the first time he was arrested, thanks to the family position and him being a veteran. His Lake Lucille home invasion was very violent, violating probation and possibly a restraining order. I think the police had to pull Track off the roof. All of that was well covered by "The Frontiersman." Tony Hopfinger who wrote the 2008 piece about VECO dough, was a long time reporter, not a guest or staff columnist, for the Anchorage Daily News and its successor, the Alaska Dispatch News. Six years later, that story had staying power; it hardly was "recentism," but was reportage, not an opinion piece. Let me suggest Sarah's relationship with Bill Allen and his contributions remain. Erasures should be first discussed in the article's Talk page. Activist (talk) 12:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Im not sure why you felt the need to start a new section on this, nor what you think you are proving by detailing my contributions to Sarah Palin related articles. As detailed above, the reliable sources i found all indicate no real connection of significance between Allen/VECO and Palin save the unremarkable campaign donation that wasent even worth mentioning in articles that explicitly were about VECO's/Allen and Palin. You can suggest anything you like about the supposed relationship between Palin and Bill Allen/VECO, but Wikipedia content is based on what reliable sources say. Your suggested inclusion is a clear violation of WP:UNDUE which states "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." by ignoring multiple reliable sources which either explicitly describe Palin's relationship with VECO as adversarial or dont note a connection at all in articles that are explicitly about VECO's corruption in the state of Alaska. Indeed, in your latest block of text you dont even bother to mention what you think the noteworthy relationship between Allen and Palin even is, preferring, i guess, to insinuate something untoward about a campaign donation so unremarkable that even articles hostile to Palin dont even mention it.
- As for you claims about the importance of things with Palin's family, i suggest you read WP:BLP which advises us that "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." Obviously, material about Palin's family would have to be taken on a case to case basis, but the mere fact that something is true does not necessarily mean it is appropriate to include in a BLP.
- Finally, as to the notion that i should have discuss reverting material you have added before removing; false. WP:BLP states "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". More generally, WP:ONUS clearly states that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Bonewah (talk) 15:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Palin zombie initiative
: Bonewah (talk): In an exceptionally well documented article, Politifact, the [[Poynter Institute]]''s fact checkers pretty much wrote the obituary noting the demise fourteen years ago of Sarah's marquee project/initiative, that the Trans-Canada pipeline, was extremely unlikely ever to be realized. https://www.politifact.com/article/2008/sep/15/palins-pipeline-less-meets-eye/ About the time that was written, Canada's First Nations rose up in opposition to the proposal. Palin was still touting her pipe dream four years later at the Houston Hilton's conference center before an extractive industry audience with the aid of a tin ear. The world is a very different place than it was in 2008, with a powerful consensus that climate change is perhaps the most issue with which the world will have to deal. An integral part of her proposal was to hook up the Trans Canadian filthy (tar sands) oil resources to be ostensibly carried to the east coast and beyond. In fact, Trans Canada pulled the plug on life support for that boneheaded idea 15 months ago. Even Trump couldn't make that happen, and I expect he might himself in a lockup one of these days, so he'd have less juice at some point in the future than he thinks he has now. Not only did you sweep out the solidly sourced material I'd added, but you even reverted my tense correction of the word that were faced by the reality the proposal "faced" back to the preexisting "faces." Politifact also correctly noted that the pipeline wasn't Sarah's idea at all, but one she simply adopted. Her original conception was to transport gas to Valdez for compression and shipment to faraway markets (Japan, or even Germany, one presumes these days, since Vlad's tightened up that market). It doesn't seem to have risen to the level where you're Wikistalking me, and I certainly hope it doesn't get there. I would suggest you self revert. Activist (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- A failed policy initiative? So what? I see a few articles around 2008 talking about it, but nothing of any great import. Likewise with the Politifact article you cite. You even state that it wasnt her idea at all. Again, how is this of lasting significance? Bonewah (talk) 19:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
RSS is, by definition, reliable
I've quoted Sarah word-for-word as published in a reliable source, yet you've chosen to make still another revert. The Alaska Republican party chose to make an endorsement of a more conservative candidate than Sarah in the current election, and you think that's not worthy of mention? Are you serious? Really? Activist (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes i am. The fact that the republican party endorsed someone else is of little note. The text "However, after he was convicted of seven felonies, a week before election day" is far from neutral. Neither is the sentence before that about what the Washington Post thinks Palin 'intended'. Speculation and opinion. Yet again, WP:Onus requires that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." I.E. you. Bonewah (talk) 20:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
He was convicted of seven felonies that prior week. Here's the first sentence in the WP article section about him.
Guilty verdict and repercussions On October 27, 2008, Stevens was found guilty of all seven counts of making false statements. Stevens was only the fifth sitting senator to be convicted by a jury in U.S. history,[102]
The endorsement of the AK Republican party in a congressional election is "of little note?" McCain also asked him to step down, as did McConnell, other Senators... What can you be thinking about? Activist (talk) 23:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting that you are so fixated on Steven's conviction, and not the fact that all the convictions were vacated due to 'gross prosecutorial misconduct'. Why the insistence on mentioning one and not the other? Lets leave the details of Ted Stevens' legal troubles to the the Ted Stevens article. As for the endorsement or non-endorsement of the AK republican party, i stand by my statement, its of little note, just like any endorsements or non-endorsements for any of the other offices she has run for or held. A quick search of this article reveals no mention of the AK republican party's endorsement (or anyone else's endorsement) when she ran for city counsel, mayor, governor or vice president. I dont see why this one is any different. Bonewah (talk) 13:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022
Update the election results involving Sarah Palin in the 2022 Midterm Election. 72.138.79.10 (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
The first tea party convention was not in 2010
The first teaparty convention was held at Faneuil Hall Boston on December 16, 2007. What Sarah Palin attended was some GOP PAC The tea party the original one never did and still doesn’t endorse candidates it’s a movement not a political party and not a PAC and it is not the GOP when are people going to understand this? The 2010 event she attended was decidedly Republican. I formed the first tea party coalition in New Hampshire in 2007 so I should know. You can check out our website for references. nhteapartycoalition.org 2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1 (talk) 01:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- Do you mean this Ron Paul 2008 campaign event? Because while that may have been a precursor to the Tea Party movement, it's not the Tea Party movement. It was Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)