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A collaboration is being organized to promote this article to [[WP:GAN|GA]]. Interested editors should join the discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Conservatism#Sarah_Palin|here]]. – [[user:Lionelt|Lionel]] <sup>([[user talk:Lionelt|talk]])</sup> 02:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC) |
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Please insert a comma after "Palin" in the following, because "who was at..." does not narrow down the individual any further, but only provides extra information about the individual. The excerpt I am referring is in the part where John McCain was coming to the decision to pick Sarah Palin as running mate, and is: |
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"he personally called Palin who was at the Alaska State Fair.[184]" |
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[[Special:Contributions/128.63.16.82|128.63.16.82]] ([[User talk:128.63.16.82|talk]]) 15:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:Sure, ok. Done. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 22:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC) |
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== Xty == |
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she joined something called the Assembly of God. I heard this on an interview with Nick Broomfield. he said she believes a weird kind of Old Testament based, apocalyptic - y version of Xty. also that Rupert Murdoch backs her. and that she only lets herself be questioned by pre-arranged interviewers. thats all i sought to add. I was not trolling tarc - or is this page only open for right wing editors? if they are facts, what broomfield mentioned, they are facts. thats it. [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 20:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&diff=465704783&oldid=465704271 This] edit is redundant and unsourced. We already cover her religious beliefs in the 'Personal life' section complete with many sources. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&diff=465650032&oldid=465647415 This] edit adds nothing of any real value to the article. Who cares how many churches Wasalla has? How many basketball goals do they have? How many book stores? Its irrelevant in an article about Palin. Similarly the line "She was part of a [[clique]] called ''The Assembly of God''", unsourced, irrelevant, and out of context to say the least. The part of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&diff=465641148&oldid=465462103 this] edit that reads "She is backed by [[Rupert Murdoch]] and will only agree to be interviewed by pre-appointed questioners.'' is also unsourced, out of place, incoherent and vague to say the least. For at least those reasons I oppose your edits. |
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:Further, discussing your edits is not merely a box you check off before (re)adding contentious materials as you seem to imply by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&diff=465700897&oldid=465700096 this]] edit summary(ok -ive talked about it on talk- now please stop censoring every edit). You must actually work with your fellow editors to seek consensus, not merely put something in talk and re-add the same material that was objected to. Moreover, calling your fellow editors 'idiots' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&diff=465698496&oldid=465696235], and crying 'fascist sensorship' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&diff=465704271&oldid=465702998]is unhelpful, to say the least. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 23:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::I don't see what was 'incoherent and vague' about the sentence you described that way - it is coherent and very clear,I don't see why the assembly of god stuff is in a personal life section way down the article and not in the early biography section where it chronologically belongs, that doesnt say when, which year, she got reborn into the apocalyptic /evangelical/old testament based xtian sect, and her Xty is so important to her and all, - what's 'unhelpful' is a clique making the article crap - not 'fellow editors' - a clique. Anyway reading the anodyne lead ,it is ultra -boring , and notes in a not very npov-y way how popular some tv programe she made was , 'the biggest viewership blah blah' - no mention is made of something else [[Nick Broomfield]] said - she is very unpopular in Wasilla - most politicians are most popular in their heartlands -with palin , where she is best known , she is least popular - anyway, it makes for very boring reading, the stifling of info by the clique. when i've seen the film i'll try and add some sourced facts for the article. [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 00:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Who the heck is Broomfield and what makes him an authority on Palin? [[User:Fcreid|Fcreid]] ([[User talk:Fcreid|talk]]) 02:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::Typical sort of moronic expostulation that expresses the mentality of the clique that controls the sarah palin article. he is a film-maker ok who has just completed a film (You betcha) about her, and spoken to people who knew her growing up. says she has a very vindictive nature, based on his interviews, that theres such a weird form of Xty at play in her life that she developed different personalities , like speaking about xty and being highly vindictive at the same time kind of thing,that a kind of [[omerta]] surrounds her, which you sort of exemplify i guess, intimidation, - who the heck is fcreid ? [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 07:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::::I'm really a reasonable guy, I believe, with a demonstrated record of facilitating compromise here. I can tell you upfront that your response to my simple question won't move you towards your goal. Nothing you've provided indicates Broomfield is anything more than just another person hoping to make a buck by publishing contentious or salacious material about another person whom he's never actually met... ironically, a person whose fame and public interest is already rapidly waning. Nothing you've introduced here is new material. In fact, it wasn't new more than two and half years ago when it was dredged from the bowels of the scant '''reliable''' documentation. That alone is amazing. Given that you've had virtually free rein in providing any reliable source for Broomfield's claims, one would expect the claims would be at least topical or entertaining. In addition, I've gone through prior (and RELIABLE) sources on her affiliation with the Pentecostal church, and I see no mention of the term "xty". A quick Google for "xty" and "Palin" finds nothing relevant. That also makes me suspect. Is "xty" a term you're forwarding from some personal agenda, or is that term directly from the Broomfield film? My recommendation is that, unless Broomfield is providing factual evidence that Palin and her "xty" cult were sacrificing goats and drinking their blood or something, the bare facts already in this biography satisfy any requirements for salient information on Palin's religious beliefs. Perhaps there's another article where Broomfield's revelations on Palin, despite never having met her, will be more relevant. [[User:Fcreid|Fcreid]] ([[User talk:Fcreid|talk]]) 00:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::Xty is a quick way of writing Christianity - i wasn't suggesting any 'revelations' from the film-maker, merely interesting observations about the nature of her beliefs and personal political style from those who have seen her up close over the years. if she has been noted to have a vindictive nature - that that has been commented on, then that could be mentioned in the lead, it adds colour - and can balance the flattering, and thoroughly trivial imo for the lead, noting of her telly programme breaking records for some channel or other. your 'simple question' was actually spluttered in a splenetic way meant to be denigratory to broomfield imo, thats how i read it , you saying how reasonable you are - i dunno - ''self praise is no praise'' , thats what they say. [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 00:53, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::::I find the "xty" abbreviation a bit bizarre, to be honest. I can't envision a discussion so hung up on religion that short-form terms of reference would be needed. For comparative purposes, what abbreviations do you use for other religions, e.g. Islam, Judaism, etc.? As far as Broomfield's "documentary", and back to the point of inclusion of his opinionated commentary in this article, it's unfortunate that Broomfield flourished such an obvious axe to grind when he started on this venture. Read [[http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/sep/12/nick-broomfield-sarah-palin this Guardian article]] and his own quoted remarks. Do those comments represent someone you would entrust with an objective research project? He actually ignored dozens of documented, firsthand witnesses to Palin's pregnancy, and instead he ferreted out some loon who claimed to have given Palin a belly rub during the time frame of her pregnancy and concluded she was not pregnant. He would actually have included that in his film, had it not been that none of her "witnesses" to the event would even attest to her story. In particular, note his blatantly partisan commentary throughout the interview, and the fact that he resorted to heckling her at public events because she wouldn't meet him in person for an interview. I'm sorry, but I've seen nothing about this "documentary" that even approaches the threshold for inclusion in a Wikipedia biography. Perhaps you could find actual reliable sources for those points you want to make. [[User:Fcreid|Fcreid]] ([[User talk:Fcreid|talk]]) 01:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::The article you point to speaks of the cumulative impact of so many damning voices , people who know her ..did you read it? - and she said shed speak to him then changed her mind so he had to shout his questions - she lied to him - "unless you're Fox News, palin is off-limits" -your tone is a bit like you are going to decide what is allowed to be included in the article - if friends, priests, etc who knew her say interesting things in the documentary then that would seem to be ok - i think you are part of a gang here at this article - not a reasonable gang - a gang. the guardian journalist " the testimony he [broomfield] gathers bring into focus a woman so frightening that ''You Betcha''s closest cinematic relative may well be ''the Omen'' " - no wonder her clique here are so frightening also [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 02:27, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::::You're free to conclude whatever you like about me, the article or the conspiracy of an elusive ''Palin cabal'' who guard it. However, your personal opinions on any of that do not obviate WP policy for peer review of contentious material being added to a BLP, and I maintain that this alleged documentary, comprised of nothing but hearsay and anecdotes from those with an axe to grind, does not even closely approach the threshold of being reliably-sourced content for any BLP. I've participated in this article for two and a half years now, and I know full-well that Palin is a divisive character. Personally, while I can't explain the phenomenon, which I contend is largely media-made, I'm very glad to see her withering from the national limelight. I've seen an unending litany of Palin sycophants and haters come here, hoping to paint a hagiography or to grind their axes. Some were oblivious to the fact that others watch for such things and, in good faith, revert and steer new arrivals to talk. Some become arrogant when they learn their desired content doesn't reach the bar for inclusion. Some go away unhappy. Others stick around in talk to make their cases and to refine their content. In the end, some win and some lose, and all of that is just another typical day on the Palin page. It is what it is. [[User:Fcreid|Fcreid]] ([[User talk:Fcreid|talk]]) 09:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:: Quotes from those who watched her grow up, do not 'even closely approach the threshold of being reliably sourced content for any BLP' ? what are you on about? anyway,i don't see for such a rule lover , your 'i've seen a litany of palin sycophants and haters ..' blah blah exhibits the much vaunted agf attitude - i don't have an axe to grind - i want articles that are interesting to read, that suggest a complexity of personality, and complexity of response to a personality etc - you are a pompous ass -i'm hoping to see the film soon and then i'll decide if any quotes from those who knew/know her are pertinent for the article - then you can come and cleanse the article. and that 'i don't even like the woman' - how super-unconvincing is that? '[[the lady doth protest too much]]' - [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 12:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:::The biggest thing is good sourcing. Palin is not some obscure figure, information about her life is plentiful and so good sourcing is a must. Ive never seen or heard of Nick Broomfield until today, so ill hold off on judging the [[wp:RS|reliability]] of him as an encyclopedia source, but you should expect people to ask for independent, high quality sources for any dramatic claims. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 00:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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: Obviously, I'm a conservative. I'm up-front about this on my userpage so anybody can be aware where I'm coming from. I'm far from perfect, but I try to be as neutral as possible in my editing, which is why I have been one of the strongest protectors at the [[Brady Campaign]] article protecting it from editors that use [[WP:OR|original research]] to classify them as a [[hate group]]. As a firearms instructor I certainly don't agree with their stance, but there is no [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] stating that they meet the definition of a hate group, so that does not belong in Wikipedia. There appears to be an issue here with [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] simply not understanding what the purpose of Wikipedia is and what our limitations are (I'd also recommend a strong dose of [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]]). First things first, this is not a place to add ''[[WP:OR|opinion]]'' and we are not a ''[[WP:WHIM|random collection of facts]]''. Second, when it comes to [[WP:BLP|biographies of living persons]], ''any'' living person, the Wikipedia rules are extremely strict. Among other things, the policy clearly states "''Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous.''" Finally, when a topic is controversial for whatever reason and that article is placed on probation (which this one is), the policy explicitly reads "The community has placed this article on article probation as specified at [[Talk:Sarah Palin/Article probation]]. Any addition of content that is not [[WP:V|properly sourced]], does not conform to Wikipedia's [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view policy]], or is [[WP:BLP|defamatory]] will be promptly removed. In addition, you will be [[WP:B|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia should you persist in such actions." Editors are responsible for knowing these policies, and if they are unaware, they are responsible for abiding by them once they are informed of them. [[User:SeanNovack|SeanNovack]] ([[User talk:SeanNovack|talk]]) 14:38, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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::its not a film of Broomfield just giving his OR opinion about palin - there appears to be an issue here of sean not understanding that as a documentary film-maker Broomfield has actually spoken to people who knew her growing up - her father i think, and a pastor etc - OR doesn't come into it; hopefully it will be as entertaining and informative as his film on [[Heidi Fleiss]] was. [[User:Sayerslle|Sayerslle]] ([[User talk:Sayerslle|talk]]) 15:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC) |
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:::"i'm hoping to see the film soon and then i'll decide if any quotes from those who knew/know her are pertinent for the article" Wait, you havent even seen this film yet and you want to use it as a reliable source? [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 16:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC) |
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== Some suggested additions and alterations == |
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In the section titled "Governor of Alaska" after the line "She signed the resulting legislation in July 2007, calling it a "first step," and declaring that she remained determined to clean up Alaska politics.[83]" I think the addition of the following information would be useful. |
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* Palin uses a rhetoric of maternalism in politics that harkens back to the idea of “social housekeeping” in First Wave Feminism where female political activists use traditional roles of women such as cleaning and apply them to the political world in an effort to combat corruption associated with politics. Palin puts a motherly spin on the wording she chooses to use often criticizing the “Good ole Boys” idea of politics arguing that it has lead to corruption. She puts emphasis on looking at the future of America and not leaving a mess for “our children” to clean up. |
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Another useful addition to this section would be after the line "Proposals to drill for oil in ANWR have been the subject of a national debate.[87]" I suggest adding: |
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* Palin promotes drilling in Alaska as a way of stopping foreign oil dependence, but also argued for pursuing all forms of energy production. Iin Her a speech to the GOP convention? speech in 2008, Palin stated, |
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“Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems — as if we all didn't know that already. But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all. Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more nuclear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal and other alternative sources.” [332] |
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Sarah Palin's family is a clearly newsworthy topic, much as are Joe Biden's or Donald Trump's. She was present, calling police as Track attacked Todd. Bonewah's ("B"s) edits reveal some interesting features. As of yesterday, "B" has edited the Palin article's Talk page 138 times, adding 71,264 bytes. I haven't the time to go over those one by one, but it appears "B" differed with and erased edits to the articles made by many editors. "B" has edited the "Political Positions of Sarah Palin 122 times, the Sarah Palin article 62 times, the "Public Image of Sarah Palin" article 58 times, the SP "Talk" article 139 times, the "Political Positions of S.P. Talk article 102 times, the S.P. "Public Image" Talk article 39 times, the "Parodies of Sarah Palin" Talk article 31 times, and the "Resignation of Sarah Palin" article 9 times for a total of 600 edits about her. I'd written earlier, Wikipedia is not a fan club. Rather than ostensible "recentism," "VECO"/Bill Allen's contributions to Sarah were first noted in 2002 by the Anchorage Daily News after being reported to the Alaska Political Offices Commission. They constituted 20% of all her contributions for that race. Allen, the richest man in the state, was indicted for bribery and laundering campaign contributions. He turned state's evidence, and with his executive VP, Richard Smith, testified against many other recipients of his corporate largesse, including five state legislators who went to jail, plus an aging, infirm, ex-legislator to house arrest. U.S. Senator [[Ted Stevens]] was convicted of seven felonies in a D.C. trial, eight days before losing his reelection after almost 40 years in office. (Sidney Powell wrote a book, "Licensed to Lie," proclaiming Ted's "innocence.") U.S. Rep. [[Don Young]], expecting his own indictment, spent over $1 million in campaign funds preparing for the criminal case though Eric Holder didn't indict him. Bill Allen died this year, but spent three years in the federal pen, along with his Executive V.P. Sarah's family is important: Her kids, save for her youngest, have had regular run ins with the law, even Willow, involved as a juvenile in a destructive invasion of a vacationing elderly couple's home. Track was probably saved from doing prison time the first time he was arrested, thanks to the family position and him being a veteran. His Lake Lucille home invasion was very violent, violating probation and possibly a restraining order. I think the police had to pull Track off the roof. All of that was well covered by "The Frontiersman." Tony Hopfinger who wrote the 2008 piece about VECO dough, was a long time reporter, not a guest or staff columnist, for the [[Anchorage Daily News]] and its successor, the Alaska Dispatch News. Six years later, that story had staying power; it hardly was "recentism," but was reportage, not an opinion piece. Let me suggest Sarah's relationship with Bill Allen and his contributions remain. Erasures should be first discussed in the article's Talk page. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 12:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC) |
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In the section titled "Resignation" after the line "Palin and her husband Todd had personally incurred more than $500,000 in legal fees defending against ethics charges brought against her as governor.[176]" I suggest that the following is added. |
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:Im not sure why you felt the need to start a new section on this, nor what you think you are proving by detailing my contributions to Sarah Palin related articles. As detailed above, the reliable sources i found all indicate no real connection of significance between Allen/VECO and Palin save the unremarkable campaign donation that wasent even worth mentioning in articles that explicitly were about VECO's/Allen and Palin. You can suggest anything you like about the supposed relationship between Palin and Bill Allen/VECO, but Wikipedia content is based on what reliable sources say. Your suggested inclusion is a clear violation of [[WP:UNDUE]] which states "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." by ignoring multiple reliable sources which either explicitly describe Palin's relationship with VECO as adversarial or dont note a connection at all in articles that are explicitly about VECO's corruption in the state of Alaska. Indeed, in your latest block of text you dont even bother to mention what you think the noteworthy relationship between Allen and Palin even is, preferring, i guess, to insinuate something untoward about a campaign donation so unremarkable that even articles hostile to Palin dont even mention it. |
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* Palin placed much of the blame for the “frivolous” ethics complaints upon the mainstream media saying, “You represent what could and should be a cornerstone of our democracy, [...] Democracy depends on you, and that is why—that’s why our troops are willing to die for you. So how about in honor of the American soldier, you quit makin’ things up.” [330] In an effort to combat some of the accusations surrounding her, Palin used Facebook and Twitter postings to “bypass the press” and demonstrate her point of view rather that the depiction that the media was providing. Despite her portrayal of her resignation as being best for Alaska in light of the controversy surrounding accusations against her, many saw her resignation as opportunistic. Scott Conroy and Shushannah Walshe, in their book Sarah from Alaska: the Sudden Rise and Brutal Education of a New Conservative Superstar, assert that “pPresiding over Alaska had become difficult, dull, and unfulfilling. Resigning to travel the country without the burden of a day job would be relatively easy, invigorating, and both personally and financially rewarding.” [330] |
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:As for you claims about the importance of things with Palin's family, i suggest you read [[WP:BLP]] which advises us that "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." Obviously, material about Palin's family would have to be taken on a case to case basis, but the mere fact that something is true does not necessarily mean it is appropriate to include in a BLP. |
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:Finally, as to the notion that i should have discuss reverting material you have added before removing; false. [[WP:BLP]] states "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". More generally, [[WP:ONUS]] clearly states that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 15:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Palin zombie initiative == |
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In the section titled "After the 2008 election" after the line "The organization, which describes itself as an advocate of energy independence,[219] supports candidates for federal and state office.[220]" I suggest that the following be added: |
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* The website for SarahPAC states, “SarahPAC believes energy independence is a cornerstone of the economic security and progress that every American family wants and deserves. We believe in American Exceptionalism, and that US foreign policy should, first and foremost, be based on the pursuit of our national interest, not the interests of others.” [331] |
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<nowiki>:</nowiki> [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]): In an exceptionally well documented article, Politifact, the <nowiki>[[Poynter Institute]]</nowiki><nowiki>''</nowiki>s fact checkers pretty much wrote the obituary noting the demise fourteen years ago of Sarah's marquee project/initiative, that the Trans-Canada pipeline, was extremely unlikely ever to be realized. https://www.politifact.com/article/2008/sep/15/palins-pipeline-less-meets-eye/ About the time that was written, Canada's First Nations rose up in opposition to the proposal. Palin was still touting her pipe dream four years later at the Houston Hilton's conference center before an extractive industry audience with the aid of a tin ear. The world is a very different place than it was in 2008, with a powerful consensus that climate change is perhaps the most issue with which the world will have to deal. An integral part of her proposal was to hook up the Trans Canadian filthy (tar sands) oil resources to be ostensibly carried to the east coast and beyond. In fact, Trans Canada pulled the plug on life support for that boneheaded idea 15 months ago. Even Trump couldn't make that happen, and I expect he might himself in a lockup one of these days, so he'd have less juice at some point in the future than he thinks he has now. Not only did you sweep out the solidly sourced material I'd added, but you even reverted my tense correction of the word that were faced by the reality the proposal "faced" back to the preexisting "faces." Politifact also correctly noted that the pipeline wasn't Sarah's idea at all, but one she simply adopted. Her original conception was to transport gas to Valdez for compression and shipment to faraway markets (Japan, or even Germany, one presumes these days, since Vlad's tightened up that market). It doesn't seem to have risen to the level where you're Wikistalking me, and I certainly hope it doesn't get there. I would suggest you self revert. [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 15:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC) |
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In the section the "Tea Party Movement" I suggest that the following be deleted from the page because it does not have proper citation, and a source cannot be found. |
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:A failed policy initiative? So what? I see a few articles around 2008 talking about it, but nothing of any great import. Likewise with the Politifact article you cite. You even state that it wasnt her idea at all. Again, how is this of lasting significance? [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 19:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC) |
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* Palin’s speaking fee was reported to be $100,000. Judson Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, the social networking site that sponsored the convention, did not confirm the amount paid to Palin saying he was contractually obligated not to speak about it.[citation needed] |
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== RSS is, by definition, reliable == |
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Also in this section I suggest that the following be added after the line “The Tea Party movement is bigger than any one person and is not about any one candidate.”[246] |
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* Palin also related the rise of the Tea Party Movement to the “sons of liberty during the revolution,” and to the “Abolitionists before the Civil War and the Civil Rights Movement during the 20th Century” saying, “The Tea Party Movement is part of this noble American tradition. This movement isn’t simply a political awakening; it’s an American awakening. And it’s coming from ordinary Americans, not the politicos in the Beltway. No, it’s you who grow our food; you run our small businesses; you teach our children; you fight our wars. We are always proud of America. We love our country in good times and in bad, and we never apologize for America.” [331] Palin attacks the controversial speech made by President Obama at Strasborg Town Hall meeting in France where he says that America “has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive." [334] |
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I've quoted Sarah word-for-word as published in a reliable source, yet you've chosen to make still another revert. The Alaska Republican party chose to make an endorsement of a more conservative candidate than Sarah in the current election, and you think that's not worthy of mention? Are you serious? Really? [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Under the section "Pink Elephant Movement" I suggest that the following is deleted because a source cannot be found for it |
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:Yes i am. The fact that the republican party endorsed someone else is of little note. The text "However, after he was convicted of seven felonies, a week before election day" is far from neutral. Neither is the sentence before that about what the Washington Post thinks Palin 'intended'. Speculation and opinion. Yet again, [[WP:Onus]] requires that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." I.E. you. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 20:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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* According to Politico, Palin's criteria for endorsing candidates was whether they had the support of the Tea Party movement and the support of the Susan B. Anthony List.[254] |
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He was convicted of seven felonies that prior week. Here's the first sentence in the WP article section about him. |
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In the same section after the line "Palin's influence over the primaries nonetheless further increased speculation that she would seek to be the party's nominee for President in 2012,[262] with political pundits Paul Mirengoff, David Frum, and Jonathan Chait identifying Palin as the front-runner.[263][264][265]" I suggest that the following is added: |
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<blockquote>Guilty verdict and repercussions |
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* In the primary campaigns for the 2012 election Palin endorsed Michele Bachmann in the running for the presidency and remains a supporter of Bachmann on her SarahPAC website. [331] |
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On October 27, 2008, Stevens was found guilty of all seven counts of making false statements. Stevens was only the fifth sitting senator to be convicted by a jury in U.S. history,[102]</blockquote> |
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The endorsement of the AK Republican party in a congressional election is "of little note?" |
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McCain also asked him to step down, as did McConnell, other Senators... What can you be thinking about? [[User:Activist|Activist]] ([[User talk:Activist|talk]]) 23:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Interesting that you are so fixated on Steven's conviction, and not the fact that all the convictions were vacated due to 'gross prosecutorial misconduct'. Why the insistence on mentioning one and not the other? Lets leave the details of Ted Stevens' legal troubles to the the [[Ted Stevens]] article. As for the endorsement or non-endorsement of the AK republican party, i stand by my statement, its of little note, just like any endorsements or non-endorsements for any of the other offices she has run for or held. A quick search of this article reveals no mention of the AK republican party's endorsement (or anyone else's endorsement) when she ran for city counsel, mayor, governor or vice president. I dont see why this one is any different. [[User:Bonewah|Bonewah]] ([[User talk:Bonewah|talk]]) 13:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022 == |
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I also suggest that a new section on Feminism should be added: |
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* Palin on Feminism |
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During Palin’s vice presidential campaign and after, circulation of the question “is she or isn’t she a feminist?” has been a recurring theme. On the issue Palin herself, during an interview with Katie Couric said, "I'm a feminist who, uh, believes in equal rights and I believe that women certainly today have every opportunity that a man has to succeed, and to try to do it all, anyway.”[336] However, when Palin was on NBC News with Brian Williams, she gave an indifferent answer when asked if she was a Feminist. To Williams Palin said, “I’m not gonna label myself anything, Brian,… And I think that’s what annoys a lot of Americans, especially in a political campaign, is to start trying to label different parts of America different, different backgrounds, different . . . I’m not going to put a label on myself.” [335] There are opposing viewpoints on why Palin has been flaunting the Feminist label at times and refusing it at others. One is that the label is merely a tactic to gain support from women who would otherwise vote more liberally, about the use of Feminist language, an opinion article from the Washington Post states, “conservatives are trying to sell anti-women policies shrouded in pro-women rhetoric.” [337] However, Palin asserts that she is promoting a new Feminist Movement centered on Conservative Feminist issues like anti-abortion and protecting children. In the keynote speech that Palin did for the Susan B. Anthony List she said, “It’s an emerging conservative feminist identity. For too long, when people heard the word ‘feminist,’ they thought of the faculty lounge at some East Coast women’s college, right. And no offense to them: They have their opinions and their voice, and God bless them. That’s great. But that’s not the only voice of women in America.” [338] Although some question her intentions and integrity on the matter, Palin claims the Conservative Feminist label and pushes forward with her “mamma grizzly,” and “Pink Elephant” movements. |
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Under the section "Personal Life" after the line "Palin's youngest child, Trig, was prenatally diagnosed with Down syndrome.[280]" I suggest that the following is added: |
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Update the election results involving Sarah Palin in the 2022 Midterm Election. [[Special:Contributions/72.138.79.10|72.138.79.10]] ([[User talk:72.138.79.10|talk]]) 16:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC) |
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* During her 2008 GOP Speech Palin stated, “To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House.” [332] Since the birth of her son Trig, Palin has served as an advocate for special needs children and their families. |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 17:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== The first tea party convention was not in 2010 == |
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Under the section Political Positions I suggest that the following points be added: |
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Energy |
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• Palin supports energy independence from foreign countries and promotes energy sources such as nuclear, solar, wind and geothermal. She is also an advocate of clean coal and U.S. gas pipelines. [332] |
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Fiscal Policy |
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• Palin is a supporter of the Free Market, and fiscal restraint. She believes in the autonomy of the private sector and is pro-limited government. [331] |
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The first teaparty convention was held at Faneuil Hall Boston on December 16, 2007. What Sarah Palin attended was some GOP PAC The tea party the original one never did and still doesn’t endorse candidates it’s a movement not a political party and not a PAC and it is not the GOP when are people going to understand this? The 2010 event she attended was decidedly Republican. I formed the first tea party coalition in New Hampshire in 2007 so I should know. You can check out our website for references. nhteapartycoalition.org [[Special:Contributions/2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1|2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1]] ([[User talk:2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1|talk]]) 01:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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The following are the references for the information I have suggested: |
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* 330. Conroy, Scott, and Shushannah Walshe. Sarah from Alaska: the Sudden Rise and Brutal Education of a New Conservative Superstar. New York: Public Affairs, 2009. P. 263-264. Print. |
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* 331. SarahPAC - Sarah Palin's Official PAC. UPSTREAM. Web. 22 Nov. 2011. <http://www.sarahpac.com>. |
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* 332. "Transcript: Gov. Sarah Palin At The RNC : NPR." NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US, Music & Arts : NPR. PBS, 3 Sept. 2008. Web. 22 Nov. 2011. <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94258995>. |
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* 333. Sarah Palin in New Hampshire. Perf. Sarah Palin. CNN, 2011. YouTube. 5 Sept. 2011. Web. 5 Nov. 2011. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiU-GluH5ac&feature=related>. |
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* 334. "Remarks by President Obama at Strasbourg Town Hall." The White House. USA.gov, 3 Apr. 2009. Web. 22 Nov. 2011. <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-President-Obama-at-Strasbourg-Town-Hall/>. |
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* 335. Barrett, Kate. "Palin’s Switcheroo on Feminism - ABC News." ABCNews.com: Daily News, Breaking News and Video Broadcasts - ABC News. ABC, 24 Oct. 2008. Web. 06 Dec. 2011. <http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/10/palins-switcher/>. |
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* 336. Couric, Katie. "Palin Opens Up On Controversial Issues - CBS News." Breaking News Headlines: Business, Entertainment & World News - CBS News. CBS, 2 June 2010. Web. 06 Dec. 2011. <http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490618.shtml>. |
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* 337. "Opinion: The Fake Feminism of Sarah Palin." Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis. The Washington Post, 30 May 2010. Web. 06 Dec. 2011. <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/28/AR2010052802263_2.html?sid=ST2010062204464>. |
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* 338. Starr, Penny. "Palin Says She Connects to 'Tough, Gun-Toting, Pioneer Feminism'" CNS News Online. CNS, 14 May 2010. Web. 6 Dec. 2011. <http://cnsnews.com/news/article/palin-says-she-connects-tough-gun-toting-pioneer-feminism>. |
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:Do you mean [https://www.wbur.org/news/2007/12/17/paul-supporters-re-enact-tea-party this Ron Paul 2008 campaign event]? Because while that may have been a precursor to the Tea Party movement, it's not the Tea Party movement. It was Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 02:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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[[User:Julietdarcy|Julietdarcy]] ([[User talk:Julietdarcy|talk]]) 06:24, 16 December 2011 (UTC) |
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Scrubbing of article, "recentism," notability, etc.
Sarah Palin's family is a clearly newsworthy topic, much as are Joe Biden's or Donald Trump's. She was present, calling police as Track attacked Todd. Bonewah's ("B"s) edits reveal some interesting features. As of yesterday, "B" has edited the Palin article's Talk page 138 times, adding 71,264 bytes. I haven't the time to go over those one by one, but it appears "B" differed with and erased edits to the articles made by many editors. "B" has edited the "Political Positions of Sarah Palin 122 times, the Sarah Palin article 62 times, the "Public Image of Sarah Palin" article 58 times, the SP "Talk" article 139 times, the "Political Positions of S.P. Talk article 102 times, the S.P. "Public Image" Talk article 39 times, the "Parodies of Sarah Palin" Talk article 31 times, and the "Resignation of Sarah Palin" article 9 times for a total of 600 edits about her. I'd written earlier, Wikipedia is not a fan club. Rather than ostensible "recentism," "VECO"/Bill Allen's contributions to Sarah were first noted in 2002 by the Anchorage Daily News after being reported to the Alaska Political Offices Commission. They constituted 20% of all her contributions for that race. Allen, the richest man in the state, was indicted for bribery and laundering campaign contributions. He turned state's evidence, and with his executive VP, Richard Smith, testified against many other recipients of his corporate largesse, including five state legislators who went to jail, plus an aging, infirm, ex-legislator to house arrest. U.S. Senator Ted Stevens was convicted of seven felonies in a D.C. trial, eight days before losing his reelection after almost 40 years in office. (Sidney Powell wrote a book, "Licensed to Lie," proclaiming Ted's "innocence.") U.S. Rep. Don Young, expecting his own indictment, spent over $1 million in campaign funds preparing for the criminal case though Eric Holder didn't indict him. Bill Allen died this year, but spent three years in the federal pen, along with his Executive V.P. Sarah's family is important: Her kids, save for her youngest, have had regular run ins with the law, even Willow, involved as a juvenile in a destructive invasion of a vacationing elderly couple's home. Track was probably saved from doing prison time the first time he was arrested, thanks to the family position and him being a veteran. His Lake Lucille home invasion was very violent, violating probation and possibly a restraining order. I think the police had to pull Track off the roof. All of that was well covered by "The Frontiersman." Tony Hopfinger who wrote the 2008 piece about VECO dough, was a long time reporter, not a guest or staff columnist, for the Anchorage Daily News and its successor, the Alaska Dispatch News. Six years later, that story had staying power; it hardly was "recentism," but was reportage, not an opinion piece. Let me suggest Sarah's relationship with Bill Allen and his contributions remain. Erasures should be first discussed in the article's Talk page. Activist (talk) 12:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Im not sure why you felt the need to start a new section on this, nor what you think you are proving by detailing my contributions to Sarah Palin related articles. As detailed above, the reliable sources i found all indicate no real connection of significance between Allen/VECO and Palin save the unremarkable campaign donation that wasent even worth mentioning in articles that explicitly were about VECO's/Allen and Palin. You can suggest anything you like about the supposed relationship between Palin and Bill Allen/VECO, but Wikipedia content is based on what reliable sources say. Your suggested inclusion is a clear violation of WP:UNDUE which states "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." by ignoring multiple reliable sources which either explicitly describe Palin's relationship with VECO as adversarial or dont note a connection at all in articles that are explicitly about VECO's corruption in the state of Alaska. Indeed, in your latest block of text you dont even bother to mention what you think the noteworthy relationship between Allen and Palin even is, preferring, i guess, to insinuate something untoward about a campaign donation so unremarkable that even articles hostile to Palin dont even mention it.
- As for you claims about the importance of things with Palin's family, i suggest you read WP:BLP which advises us that "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." Obviously, material about Palin's family would have to be taken on a case to case basis, but the mere fact that something is true does not necessarily mean it is appropriate to include in a BLP.
- Finally, as to the notion that i should have discuss reverting material you have added before removing; false. WP:BLP states "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". More generally, WP:ONUS clearly states that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Bonewah (talk) 15:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Palin zombie initiative
: Bonewah (talk): In an exceptionally well documented article, Politifact, the [[Poynter Institute]]''s fact checkers pretty much wrote the obituary noting the demise fourteen years ago of Sarah's marquee project/initiative, that the Trans-Canada pipeline, was extremely unlikely ever to be realized. https://www.politifact.com/article/2008/sep/15/palins-pipeline-less-meets-eye/ About the time that was written, Canada's First Nations rose up in opposition to the proposal. Palin was still touting her pipe dream four years later at the Houston Hilton's conference center before an extractive industry audience with the aid of a tin ear. The world is a very different place than it was in 2008, with a powerful consensus that climate change is perhaps the most issue with which the world will have to deal. An integral part of her proposal was to hook up the Trans Canadian filthy (tar sands) oil resources to be ostensibly carried to the east coast and beyond. In fact, Trans Canada pulled the plug on life support for that boneheaded idea 15 months ago. Even Trump couldn't make that happen, and I expect he might himself in a lockup one of these days, so he'd have less juice at some point in the future than he thinks he has now. Not only did you sweep out the solidly sourced material I'd added, but you even reverted my tense correction of the word that were faced by the reality the proposal "faced" back to the preexisting "faces." Politifact also correctly noted that the pipeline wasn't Sarah's idea at all, but one she simply adopted. Her original conception was to transport gas to Valdez for compression and shipment to faraway markets (Japan, or even Germany, one presumes these days, since Vlad's tightened up that market). It doesn't seem to have risen to the level where you're Wikistalking me, and I certainly hope it doesn't get there. I would suggest you self revert. Activist (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- A failed policy initiative? So what? I see a few articles around 2008 talking about it, but nothing of any great import. Likewise with the Politifact article you cite. You even state that it wasnt her idea at all. Again, how is this of lasting significance? Bonewah (talk) 19:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
RSS is, by definition, reliable
I've quoted Sarah word-for-word as published in a reliable source, yet you've chosen to make still another revert. The Alaska Republican party chose to make an endorsement of a more conservative candidate than Sarah in the current election, and you think that's not worthy of mention? Are you serious? Really? Activist (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes i am. The fact that the republican party endorsed someone else is of little note. The text "However, after he was convicted of seven felonies, a week before election day" is far from neutral. Neither is the sentence before that about what the Washington Post thinks Palin 'intended'. Speculation and opinion. Yet again, WP:Onus requires that "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." I.E. you. Bonewah (talk) 20:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
He was convicted of seven felonies that prior week. Here's the first sentence in the WP article section about him.
Guilty verdict and repercussions On October 27, 2008, Stevens was found guilty of all seven counts of making false statements. Stevens was only the fifth sitting senator to be convicted by a jury in U.S. history,[102]
The endorsement of the AK Republican party in a congressional election is "of little note?" McCain also asked him to step down, as did McConnell, other Senators... What can you be thinking about? Activist (talk) 23:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting that you are so fixated on Steven's conviction, and not the fact that all the convictions were vacated due to 'gross prosecutorial misconduct'. Why the insistence on mentioning one and not the other? Lets leave the details of Ted Stevens' legal troubles to the the Ted Stevens article. As for the endorsement or non-endorsement of the AK republican party, i stand by my statement, its of little note, just like any endorsements or non-endorsements for any of the other offices she has run for or held. A quick search of this article reveals no mention of the AK republican party's endorsement (or anyone else's endorsement) when she ran for city counsel, mayor, governor or vice president. I dont see why this one is any different. Bonewah (talk) 13:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022
Update the election results involving Sarah Palin in the 2022 Midterm Election. 72.138.79.10 (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
The first tea party convention was not in 2010
The first teaparty convention was held at Faneuil Hall Boston on December 16, 2007. What Sarah Palin attended was some GOP PAC The tea party the original one never did and still doesn’t endorse candidates it’s a movement not a political party and not a PAC and it is not the GOP when are people going to understand this? The 2010 event she attended was decidedly Republican. I formed the first tea party coalition in New Hampshire in 2007 so I should know. You can check out our website for references. nhteapartycoalition.org 2601:18D:8780:C9F0:8D49:CD4F:B493:B7E1 (talk) 01:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- Do you mean this Ron Paul 2008 campaign event? Because while that may have been a precursor to the Tea Party movement, it's not the Tea Party movement. It was Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)