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The census of 1881 as shown on page 292 and 232 of the book linked below 'The Cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial and Scientific by Edward Balfour, Jan 1885' ascertains that Sainis and Malis have always been documented as entirely separate tribes in census. Same with page 232.
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294
To all mods, how come this link is not reliable?
Why is it being ignored, please understand this is a sensitive topic for Saini community and we are being mistaken for other group which lives in different part of India.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 12:20, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Raj-era British sources on castes, ethnic groups, tribes, etc. in the subcontinent are generally not accepted as reliable sources for claims about those subjects. The general consensus of editors experienced with those sources is that the Raj authorities that were the main source of this information were not concerned with accuracy but with furthering colonial administration. If you wish to inquire further, you may find the Wikiproject India a good source of information. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
ok then, how to establish consensus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
What is your source of truth that sainis are Malis ? Nothing , just making wrong use of your authority . You should also do a bit of research before publishing anything Xxyyystart (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC) @Eggishorn: saini is rajput caste not mali see news below https://www.dailypioneer.com/2018/state-editions/2018-07-05-210907.html
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2020
This page states Saini is OBC in Punjab yet the reference does not say so. Please do not include incorrect information. I want to edit this part: "The Saini community is given representation in government jobs and educational institutes under Other Backward Class (OBC)[2] category in states of Uttar Pradesh[3], Punjab[4], Haryana[5], Rajasthan[6][7] and Madhya Pradesh[8]". Reference number 4 states it was a proposal. Does not say it was approved.
Please change this statement. Sweetu101 (talk) 03:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: Added cite to show that the proposed decision has been implemented and the Punjab government has listed Saini under OBC regulations. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2020
In the hatnote summary of saini caste this article is about Saini community of Punjab haryana,himachial pardesh, jk, Chandigarh, delhi on other side in the article you have mentioned obc representation in Up, MP Rajshthan(The Saini community is given representation in government jobs and educational institutes under Other Backward Class (OBC)[2] category in states of Uttar Pradesh[3], Punjab[4][5], Haryana[6], Rajasthan[7][8] and Madhya Pradesh.) Saini caste does not exist in up, mp, rajasthan these are the malis who started using saini in 1937 after rajput mali described in mali caste articles , also remove mali in hatnote summary someone wrongly published mali word saini is martial caste declared in 1857 while mali is not martial caste in this article we can simply mention rajput mali started using saini surname in 1937 all saini are not malies See in the article's this article does not deal with utar pardesh, rajasthan, madha pardesh, so remove these states from this article in terms of reservations.
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 February 2021
Saini and mali both are different communities saini are unreserved in many states like jammu and kashmir
http://www.jkscstbccorp.in/schemes-backward-classes.htm
also in punjab it was declared in 2016 by political parties before this saini declared martial caste
Also saini is Rajput caste. See news Rajput Mahasabha conference held
Ambala: The Yaduvanshi Saini Rajput Mahasabha, which represents the Sainis of Punjab, Jammu and North Western Haryana, held a colloquium in which the top level representative and spokesman of Akhil Bhartiya Kshatriya Mahasabha (ABKM)
Please change this article https://www.dailypioneer.com/2018/state-editions/2018-07-05-210907.html
So in this article lots of improvement needed.
Rajput Mahasabha conference held
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Chariotrider555 (talk) 00:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Remove mali word with bracket in hatnote summary as mali is separate caste start using saini surname in 1937 saini are not mali source already given you above saini is yaduvanshi rajput. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manvir Safedposh (talk • contribs) 01:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Chariotrider555 (talk) 01:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
This is reliable source I am providing you link of list of backward castes in the state of Jammu and Kashmir state of India in the list it doesnot exist it means saini caste is gernal in jammu and kashmir http://www.jkscstbccorp.in/schemes-backward-classes.htm.[1]
Manvir Safedposh (talk) 04:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
@Chariotrider555: Manvir Safedposh (talk) 04:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Government websites and newspapers don't count as reliable sources for castes. See WP:RS, WP:HISTRS, User:Sitush/CasteSources, and [1]. Please find academically published reliable sources for content you want to see added. Chariotrider555 (talk) 04:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 May 2021
Remove the word ‘Mali’ that is written in the top-most line of introduction text . 14.102.118.174 (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ben ❯❯❯ Talk 21:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 June 2021
Please edit Saini(Mali) to Saini only in first paragraph. Saini's are whole different community. Later it was found that Mali community adopt Saini surname. Major portion of Saini community of Punjab are Sikh, also mentioned in journal article on page 653 (singh J 1996) but here it represent that all of them Mali. Even the external link provided in wiki itself shows numerous reliable data of claiming Mali's adopted the surname, which represent that Mali community can adopt Saini surname but nowhere mention that Saini are Mali. Saini is a prestigious caste among Sikh religion and comes in top level discussed in published article by Singh J 2015 1986.
Roman Saini -Jaipur (founder of Unacademy) could belong to Mali caste but Navdeep Saini -Karnal (cricketer) isn't.
Singh, J. (1986, January). THE SIKHS AND THE CENSUS UNDER THE BRITISH. In Proceedings of the Indian History Congress (Vol. 47, pp. 649-657). Indian History Congress. Https://www.jstor.org/stable/44141615)
Judge, Paramjit S. "Caste hierarchy, dominance, and change in Punjab." Sociological Bulletin 64.1 (2015): 55-76. https://doi.org/10.1177/0038022920150104
https://www.sikhcastes.com http://yadavhistory.com/saini_yadavs
In the hatnote of the page Saini i.e. "This article is about the Saini (Mali) community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi. For the Mali community who were not recorded as Saini prior to 1937, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali. Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai " The word "Mali" is written in brackets with Saini which should be removed.
- What I think should be changed:The world "Mali" should be removed from the brackets in the hatnote i.e. "This article is about the Saini (Mali) community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi. For the Mali community who were not recorded as Saini prior to 1937, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali.
Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai "
- Why it should be changed:The Sainis and Mali both are different castes, Mali caste adopted saini surname during the 1930-1940 decade during the colonial rule. Both are different castes and this word is creating misconception among the people of other castes. Saini caste is descendants of King Shurasena whereas Mali is an occupational caste, both castes are different and mentioned separately in the census of 1881, also in later on cenus too. I am attaching a reference of the census too.
- References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
Balfour, Edward (1885). The Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia: Commercial, Industrial and Scientific, Products of the Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Kingdoms, Useful Arts and Manufactures, Volume 2 (1st ed.). Retrieved June 23, 2021. anshsaini (talk) 05:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)