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Reliable sources :-History of the Khaljis, A.D. 1290-1320: A. D. 1290-1320, pp 28 Kishori Saran Lal, Published by Asia Publishing House, 1967 |
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''[[Gurdan Saini]]was great warrior.The Rai was in affright, and sent for Gurdan Saini, who was the most experienced warrior amongst the 40,000 Rawats under the Rai, and had seen many fights among the Hindus. "Sometimes he had gone with the advance to Malwa; sometimes he had gone plundering in Gujarat." The Saini took 10,000 Rawats with him from Jhain, and advanced against the Turks, and, after a severe action, he was slain. Upon which the Hindus fled, and in the pursuit many were slain and many taken prisoners.' |
''[[Gurdan Saini]] was great warrior.The Rai was in affright, and sent for Gurdan Saini, who was the most experienced warrior amongst the 40,000 Rawats under the Rai, and had seen many fights among the Hindus. "Sometimes he had gone with the advance to Malwa; sometimes he had gone plundering in Gujarat." The Saini took 10,000 Rawats with him from Jhain, and advanced against the Turks, and, after a severe action, he was slain. Upon which the Hindus fled, and in the pursuit many were slain and many taken prisoners.'{{https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.12468/mode/1up}} |
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Is this not valid proof? Dear Mods, Please take action on this , we request you!
The census of 1881 as shown on page 292 and 232 of the book linked below 'The Cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial and Scientific by Edward Balfour, Jan 1885' ascertains that Sainis and Malis have always been documented as entirely separate tribes in census. Same with page 232.
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294
To all mods, how come this link is not reliable?
Why is it being ignored, please understand this is a sensitive topic for Saini community and we are being mistaken for other group which lives in different part of India.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 12:20, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Raj-era British sources on castes, ethnic groups, tribes, etc. in the subcontinent are generally not accepted as reliable sources for claims about those subjects. The general consensus of editors experienced with those sources is that the Raj authorities that were the main source of this information were not concerned with accuracy but with furthering colonial administration. If you wish to inquire further, you may find the Wikiproject India a good source of information. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
ok then, how to establish consensus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
What is your source of truth that sainis are Malis ? Nothing , just making wrong use of your authority . You should also do a bit of research before publishing anything Xxyyystart (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Saini and mali are different caste
Saini and mali are different caste. No Mali in punjab region. Please take action Sainisardar (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Removal of word mali.
There is no evidence that Sainis of Punjab are Malis , There are certainly proofs of sainis being warriors and belonging to Kashatriya Clan , Given the status sainis hold currently in punjab and Himachal. And its clearly evident that Malis started using saini name post 1937 to get into british army . This information is misleading and Mali should be removed with immediate effect . Xxyyystart (talk) 19:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2020
This page states Saini is OBC in Punjab yet the reference does not say so. Please do not include incorrect information. I want to edit this part: "The Saini community is given representation in government jobs and educational institutes under Other Backward Class (OBC)[2] category in states of Uttar Pradesh[3], Punjab[4], Haryana[5], Rajasthan[6][7] and Madhya Pradesh[8]". Reference number 4 states it was a proposal. Does not say it was approved.
Please change this statement. Sweetu101 (talk) 03:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: Added cite to show that the proposed decision has been implemented and the Punjab government has listed Saini under OBC regulations. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the hatnote summary of saini caste this article is about Saini community of Punjab haryana,himachial pardesh, jk, Chandigarh, delhi on other side in the article you have mentioned obc representation in Up, MP Rajshthan(The Saini community is given representation in government jobs and educational institutes under Other Backward Class (OBC)[2] category in states of Uttar Pradesh[3], Punjab[4][5], Haryana[6], Rajasthan[7][8] and Madhya Pradesh.) Saini caste does not exist in up, mp, rajasthan these are the malis who started using saini in 1937 after rajput mali described in mali caste articles , also remove mali in hatnote summary someone wrongly published mali word saini is martial caste declared in 1857 while mali is not martial caste in this article we can simply mention rajput mali started using saini surname in 1937 all saini are not malies See in the article's this article does not deal with utar pardesh, rajasthan, madha pardesh, so remove these states from this article in terms of reservations.
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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This articles only for punjab and its neighbouring States not for Uttar Pardesh, Madhya Pardesh etc in terms of reservation you have mentioned in this article, Saini is not mali remove mali with saini in bracket as both are different community.
IN british army sikhs were preferd over hindus . NOW SAINIS come under martial racing because they are brave and built for fighting . also they are maily sikhs .so sainis can easily get jobs in british army also england won the first world war . sainis got many awards from british army due to their outstanding performance in world war one . Now saini people are their first choice for army job.
Malis were banned to get job in british army because they are not made ofr fighting like other castes. mali caste were not under martial racing . they cannot get jobs because they are malis. they only uplift their status and get jobs if they use saini surname instead of mali.
In 1937, the ruler of the princely state of Jodhpur granted the request of the Mali community of Rajputana to be recorded as “Saini” or “Sainik Kshatriya” in official records.
you can see jodhdhpur state archieves
“At the time of 1941 Census most of malis got registered themselves as Saini (Sainik Kshatriya) Malis.”
-Census of India, 1961, Volume 14, Issue 5, pp 7, Office of the Registrar General, India.
Mali caste, in southern districts of Haryana and beyond in the states of UP, MP, and Rajasthan, also started using the surname “Saini” in 20th century since 1930-40 .
for what all this ., only to get jobs in british military. and thIS all was done in british rule which already destroys our culture.
now answer a simple question -can malis of rajasthan, up,mp take permission of saini community of undevided punjab whether you uses saini ‘s surname or not and i know the answer –no because you are thiefs
same is done by gwalas . they use surname yadav to uplift their status. and everybody knows that gwalas are not yadavs.
What do u mean?@Þjarkur: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:1005:6CAB:11B1:A49E:EB1A:BDDA (talk) 12:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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NOW SOME PEOPLE EVEN MALIS SAYS THAT THEY BECOMES MALIS DURING MUGHAL PERIOD TO AVIOD COVERSION – a false story
1. first of all if you someone become mali during mughal period, that is your history and , what is your relations with sainis today in punjab 2. during mughal period rajputs devided into groups are –
pathania rajput group(100% same history and gotras as sainis ) — ran to hills to escape themselves saini rajput group —- start agriculture profession and become landownes in mainly doaba region of punjab dogra group (many gotras are same) and other many groups MANY CONVERTED INTO MUSLIMS like bhatti rajputs of lahore
3. if any group becomes mali during that period , how they relate with sainis only. not with marathas , jadeja rajput, bhatti rajputs, minhas, lodhi rajput, pathania rajput.,
i can clear this . because sainis are sikh , punjabi , and rajputs . in british military sikhs were prefered over hindus for get jobs. sainis also come under martial racing . that is the reason mali use saini surname to uplift rheir status.
4. no proof that mali and rajput have saame ABO blood STRUCTURE. if have any fake proof eith which rajput and what are their gotras
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CENSUS IN BRITISH RULE =================================================
SAINIS FOUND ONLY IN PUNJAB AND BORDER DISTT. OF HARYANA , HIMACHAL AND JAMMU WITH PUNJAB , TODAY IN DELHI AND CHANDIGARH SAINIS DOES NO FOUND IN MP , RAJASTHAN, UP
PROOF NO 1
The Marwar State Census Report of 1891 A.D. also did not contain reference to any community called ‘Saini’ in Rajputana and recorded only two groups as Malis, namely, Mahoor Malis and Rajput Malis, among which the latter are also included in Rajput sub-category. Rajput Malis changed their identity to Saini in 1930 but in the later censuses other non-Rajput Malis such as Mahur or Maur , who ostensibly had no lineal link with Rajputs, also adopted ‘Saini’ as their last name. The way they sought to piggyback their way into the Saini identity was by seeking to project it as an abbreviated form of “Sainik” or “soldier” rather than linking it with properly historically grounded term “Shoorsaini” , a link which would have been impossible to p 2402:3A80:101D:54F3:B199:F5D6:3699:6494 (talk) 07:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not done, this is the same post we get on this talk page every month, all of which point to the same old sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Can you give me the resources that show saini are malies except censuses 1961, this is very sensitive topic you can see above many requests are coming for changes, you can write in this article mali have started using Saini surnames in 1937 but can not declared sainis are mali saini iis martial caste unreserved till 2016 in punjab hve won maximum parmvir chakar in indian army only this castes had won i can provide you lists if you required help please improve this article .@Þjarkur:
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Improve the starting line of article Saini is a caste of north india .. into [[Saini is the warrior caste of north india...]] Reliable sources :-History of the Khaljis, A.D. 1290-1320: A. D. 1290-1320, pp 28 Kishori Saran Lal, Published by Asia Publishing House, 1967
Gurdan Saini was great warrior.The Rai was in affright, and sent for Gurdan Saini, who was the most experienced warrior amongst the 40,000 Rawats under the Rai, and had seen many fights among the Hindus. "Sometimes he had gone with the advance to Malwa; sometimes he had gone plundering in Gujarat." The Saini took 10,000 Rawats with him from Jhain, and advanced against the Turks, and, after a severe action, he was slain. Upon which the Hindus fled, and in the pursuit many were slain and many taken prisoners.'Template:Https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.12468/mode/1up
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