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Saini and mali are different caste. No Mali in punjab region. Please take action [[User:Sainisardar|Sainisardar]] ([[User talk:Sainisardar|talk]]) 15:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC) |
Saini and mali are different caste. No Mali in punjab region. Please take action [[User:Sainisardar|Sainisardar]] ([[User talk:Sainisardar|talk]]) 15:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2020
2409:4053:219D:8A20:0:0:1029:A8A1 (talk) 05:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 05:37, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
The first line has no source or proof about saini and mali being same, on the contrary there are ample evidence they are seperate tribes?
The first line which goes like this - 'This article is about the Saini (Mali) community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi.' clubs saini and mali into same category and gives no proof of them being same. On the contrary many people have submitted links on these communities being different, but that all have been repeatedly ignore. Please I request admins to delete this line since there has been no proof cited by the person who has called both as same communities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Instead of writing Mali in bracket the article should say that Mali also claim to be sainis since 20th century — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
The census of 1881 as shown on page 292 and 232 of the book linked below 'The Cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial and Scientific by Edward Balfour, Jan 1885' ascertains that Sainis and Malis have always been documented as entirely separate tribes in census. Same with page 232.
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294
also
"At the time of 1941 Census most of them got registered themselves as Saini (Sainik Kshatriya) Malis."
-Census of India, 1961, Volume 14, Issue 5, pp 7, Office of the Registrar General, India.
So we can be sure that Malis only started using Saini surname somwhere in early 20th century but they are a seperate community. So to avoid confusion, I humbly request admins to remove Mali from the bracket. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- To editor Deviprasad1366:
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. And thank you so much for your interest in editing Wikipedia! P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 15:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 August 2020
2409:4053:38F:A2F9:8E88:28BA:143F:DD5E (talk) 14:51, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Saini'S are Yaduvanshi Rajput. Many other castes are using this surname .They are fake Saini'S.
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 August 2020
2409:4053:2085:6DC:83FC:58F4:2E9B:B963 (talk) 05:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
This is not correct information..Saini and mali are different castes
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
He dont understand reliable source what is, even you thjarkur sir not understand our feelings you spreading wrong information in whole world specially in backwards country like india wherw we lives kindly remove mali word in bracket you can see in articles mali does not use saini surnames before 1937 Er. Hummy (talk) 10:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 August 2020
why you merge mali caste in saini caste articles, mali caste and saini caste are two different articles on Wikipedia in saini caste article simply we can mention mali caste have Started using saini surnames in 1937 please remove mali words in bracket in hatnote summary of saini caste it creates confusions many edit requests are coming to remove mali words in saini article as mali caste articles is different on Wikipedia they started using saini surnames in 1937 clearly showns in mali caste articles kindly remove mali in bracket
References
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_caste
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saini see above link two different articles on Wikipedia why you all merges mali word in saini article you all tries forcefully to make saini is mali trying to confuse saini identity in saini articles you said saini is landowners zamindards on other hand you try to explain saini is gardner ,request you in saini article simply you can mention mali caste started using surname Saini in 1937 remove mali word, Er. Hummy (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Please see WP:RS, we try to follow books, journals, and sometimes newspapers. See also the talk page archives of this page. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Reference
https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11683431#cite_note-Neo_Saini2-3 check history of mali caste Wikipedia is not reliable but this source is reliable please remove mali word humble request punjabi saini is not several edit requests are coming you can see please read articles by clicking ob this link both saini and mali are different castes ,latter started using Saini surnames in 1937 Er. Hummy (talk) 17:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
References
- The source you pointed to is a mirror of Wikipedia. Please point to reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/18786/NP Er. Hummy (talk) 16:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- JOshua is considered unreliable in WIkipedia. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 September 2020
Saini is Yaduvanshi Rajput caste in Punjab Rest Are Fake Sainis Saini is declared Martial caste while Mali is not Martial caste first line has no meaning Saini(mali) Remove Mali word 42.109.224.77 (talk) 04:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Is this not valid proof? Dear Mods, Please take action on this , we request you!
The census of 1881 as shown on page 292 and 232 of the book linked below 'The Cyclopaedia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia, Commercial, Industrial and Scientific by Edward Balfour, Jan 1885' ascertains that Sainis and Malis have always been documented as entirely separate tribes in census. Same with page 232.
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294
To all mods, how come this link is not reliable?
Why is it being ignored, please understand this is a sensitive topic for Saini community and we are being mistaken for other group which lives in different part of India.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 12:20, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Raj-era British sources on castes, ethnic groups, tribes, etc. in the subcontinent are generally not accepted as reliable sources for claims about those subjects. The general consensus of editors experienced with those sources is that the Raj authorities that were the main source of this information were not concerned with accuracy but with furthering colonial administration. If you wish to inquire further, you may find the Wikiproject India a good source of information. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
ok then, how to establish consensus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviprasad1366 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Saini and mali are different caste
Saini and mali are different caste. No Mali in punjab region. Please take action Sainisardar (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)