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Saini and mali both are different communities saini are unreserved in many states like jammu and kashmir |
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http://www.jkscstbccorp.in/schemes-backward-classes.htm |
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also in punjab it was declared in 2016 by political parties before this saini declared martial caste |
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Also saini is Rajput caste. |
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See news Rajput Mahasabha conference held |
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Ambala: The Yaduvanshi Saini Rajput Mahasabha, which represents the Sainis of Punjab, Jammu and North Western Haryana, held a colloquium in which the top level representative and spokesman of Akhil Bhartiya Kshatriya Mahasabha (ABKM) |
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Please change this article |
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https://www.dailypioneer.com/2018/state-editions/2018-07-05-210907.html |
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So in this article lots of improvement needed. |
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Rajput Mahasabha conference held |
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Remove mali word with bracket in hatnote summary as mali is separate caste start using saini surname in 1937 saini are not mali source already given you above saini is yaduvanshi rajput. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manvir Safedposh|Manvir Safedposh]] ([[User talk:Manvir Safedposh#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manvir Safedposh|contribs]]) 01:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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This is reliable source I am providing you link of list of backward castes in the state of Jammu and Kashmir state of India in the list it doesnot exist it means saini caste is gernal in jammu and kashmir |
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http://www.jkscstbccorp.in/schemes-backward-classes.htm.<ref>http://www.jkscstbccorp.in/schemes-backward-classes.htm</ref> |
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[[User:Manvir Safedposh|Manvir Safedposh]] ([[User talk:Manvir Safedposh|talk]]) 04:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Chariotrider555}} [[User:Manvir Safedposh|Manvir Safedposh]] ([[User talk:Manvir Safedposh|talk]]) 04:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Government websites and newspapers don't count as reliable sources for castes. See [[WP:RS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[User:Sitush/CasteSources]], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sitush/Common]. Please find academically published reliable sources for content you want to see added. [[User:Chariotrider555|Chariotrider555]] ([[User talk:Chariotrider555|talk]]) 04:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Remove the word ‘Mali’ that is written in the top-most line of introduction text . [[Special:Contributions/14.102.118.174|14.102.118.174]] ([[User talk:14.102.118.174|talk]]) 20:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Please edit '''Saini(Mali) to Saini''' only in first paragraph. Saini's are whole different community. Later it was found that Mali community adopt Saini surname. Major portion of Saini community of Punjab are Sikh, also mentioned in journal article on page 653 (singh J 1996) but here it represent that all of them Mali. |
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Even the external link provided in wiki itself shows numerous reliable data of claiming Mali's adopted the surname, which represent that Mali community can adopt Saini surname but nowhere mention that Saini are Mali. Saini is a prestigious caste among Sikh religion and comes in top level discussed in published article by Singh J 2015 1986. |
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Roman Saini -Jaipur (founder of Unacademy) could belong to Mali caste but Navdeep Saini -Karnal (cricketer) isn't. |
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Singh, J. (1986, January). THE SIKHS AND THE CENSUS UNDER THE BRITISH. In Proceedings of the Indian History Congress (Vol. 47, pp. 649-657). Indian History Congress. [http://www.jstor.org/stable/44141615 Https://www.jstor.org/stable/44141615]) |
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Judge, Paramjit S. "Caste hierarchy, dominance, and change in Punjab." Sociological Bulletin 64.1 (2015): 55-76. https://doi.org/10.1177/0038022920150104 |
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https://www.sikhcastes.com |
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http://yadavhistory.com/saini_yadavs |
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In the hatnote of the page [[Saini]] i.e. "This article is about the Saini (Mali) community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi. For the Mali community who were not recorded as Saini prior to 1937, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali. |
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Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai " The word "Mali" is written in brackets with Saini which should be removed. |
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* '''What I think should be changed''':The world "Mali" should be removed from the brackets in the hatnote i.e. "This article is about the Saini (Mali) community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi. For the Mali community who were not recorded as Saini prior to 1937, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali. |
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Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai " |
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* '''Why it should be changed''':The Sainis and Mali both are different castes, [[Rajput Mali|Mali caste]] adopted saini surname during the 1930-1940 decade during the colonial rule. Both are different castes and this word is creating misconception among the people of other castes. Saini caste is descendants of King [[Shurasena]] whereas [[Rajput Mali|Mali]] is an occupational caste, both castes are different and mentioned separately in the census of 1881, also in later on cenus too. I am attaching a reference of the census too. |
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{{cite book |last=Balfour |first=Edward |author-link=Edward Balfour |date=1885 |title=The Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia: Commercial, Industrial and Scientific, Products of the Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Kingdoms, Useful Arts and Manufactures, Volume 2 |edition=1st |url=https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294 |access-date=June 23, 2021 }} |
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[[User:Anshsaini0304|anshsaini]] ([[User talk:Anshsaini0304|talk]]) 05:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC) |
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"'''This article is about the Saini community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi. For the Mali community, see [[Mali caste]] and [[Rajput Mali]]. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see [[Bhagirathi Mali]]. Not to be confused with [[Siani]] or [[Sinai]].'''" |
"'''This article is about the Saini community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh ,Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. For the Mali community, see [[Mali caste]] and [[Rajput Mali]]. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see [[Bhagirathi Mali]]. Not to be confused with [[Siani]] or [[Sinai]].'''" |
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Because Saini community is very much different from Mali community<ref name = "Shoorsaini">'' "The Sainis believe that their ancestors were Yadavas and that it was the same lineage in which Krishna was born. In the 43rd generation of the Yadavas there was a king known as Shoor or Sur, the son of King Vidaratha....It was in the name of these, father and son, that the community was known as Shoorsaini or Sursaini."'' People of India: Haryana, p 430, Kumar Suresh Singh, Madan Lal Sharma, A. K. Bhatia, Anthropological Survey of India, Published by Published on behalf of Anthropological Survey of India by Manohar Publishers, 1994</ref>, they both are registered separately in the census of 1881<ref>{{cite book |last=Balfour |first=Edward |author-link=Edward Balfour |date=1885 |title=The Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia: Commercial, Industrial and Scientific, Products of the Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Kingdoms, Useful Arts and Manufactures, Volume 2 |edition=1st |url=https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294 |access-date=June 23, 2021 }}</ref> and so on. Also the Mali was included under the Rajput sub-category in the 1891 State Census Report for Marwar.<ref>Action sociology and development, pp 198, Bindeshwar Pathak, Concept Publishing Company, 1992</ref> |
Because Saini community is very much different from Mali community<ref name = "Shoorsaini">'' "The Sainis believe that their ancestors were Yadavas and that it was the same lineage in which Krishna was born. In the 43rd generation of the Yadavas there was a king known as Shoor or Sur, the son of King Vidaratha....It was in the name of these, father and son, that the community was known as Shoorsaini or Sursaini."'' People of India: Haryana, p 430, Kumar Suresh Singh, Madan Lal Sharma, A. K. Bhatia, Anthropological Survey of India, Published by Published on behalf of Anthropological Survey of India by Manohar Publishers, 1994</ref>, they both are registered separately in the census of 1881, and can be seen in second column where saini mention in last of second column<ref>{{cite book |last=Balfour |first=Edward |author-link=Edward Balfour |date=1885 |title=The Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia: Commercial, Industrial and Scientific, Products of the Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Kingdoms, Useful Arts and Manufactures, Volume 2 |edition=1st |url=https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=yvNWAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA294 |access-date=June 23, 2021 }}</ref> and so on. Also the Mali was included under the Rajput sub-category in the 1891 State Census Report for Marwar.<ref>Action sociology and development, pp 198, Bindeshwar Pathak, Concept Publishing Company, 1992</ref> |
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I am searching for this from a lot time I just don't get any answer please tell me if someone know [[Special:Contributions/2409:4055:59D:814A:0:0:2ACA:B0A1|2409:4055:59D:814A:0:0:2ACA:B0A1]] ([[User talk:2409:4055:59D:814A:0:0:2ACA:B0A1|talk]]) 05:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Remove the photo that has been added to this page. I clicked on the link and it takes you to a book where the word Saini is not mentioned once? Seems like a mistake. |
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[[User:20182309L|20182309L]] ([[User talk:20182309L|talk]]) 21:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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The Saini caste is the Kshatriya (warrior) varna, and are traditionally landowners and warriors. mainly found in Punjab, Haryana (except bordering parts of rajasthan), Himachal, Jammu. Maharaja Shoorsen, grandfather of Shri Krishna is the father of saini/shoorsaini dynasty. Sainis are one of the 20 castes designated as 'martial races' by British India Army - List of Martial race . [[Special:Contributions/2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966|2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966]] ([[User talk:2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966|talk]]) 19:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Remove Mali word from bracket with Saini. As Malis use Saini surname as short form of Sainik Kshatriya. But Sainis use it as it is since forever. No harm to anyone but both are distinct castes. Saini is a undivided punjab caste. [[Special:Contributions/106.204.226.255|106.204.226.255]] ([[User talk:106.204.226.255|talk]]) 04:44, 4 July 2021 (UTC) |
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The Saini caste is the Kshatriya (warrior) varna, and are traditionally landowners and warriors. mainly found in Punjab, Haryana (except bordering parts of rajasthan), Himachal, Jammu. Maharaja Shoorsen, grandfather of Shri Krishna is the father of saini/shoorsaini dynasty. Sainis are one of the 20 castes designated as 'martial races' by British India Army - List of Martial race . [[Special:Contributions/2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966|2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966]] ([[User talk:2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966|talk]]) 19:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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The Saini caste is the Kshatriya (warrior) varna, and are traditionally landowners and warriors. mainly found in Punjab, Haryana (except bordering parts of rajasthan), Himachal, Jammu. Maharaja Shoorsen, grandfather of Shri Krishna is the father of saini/shoorsaini dynasty. Sainis are one of the 20 castes designated as 'martial races' by British India Army - List of Martial race . [[Special:Contributions/2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966|2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966]] ([[User talk:2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966|talk]]) 19:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Mali are not saini. Mali caste does not exist in punjab and Haryana. [[Special:Contributions/120.21.224.5|120.21.224.5]] ([[User talk:120.21.224.5|talk]]) 18:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
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"This article is about the Saini community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh ,Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. For the Mali community who were not recorded as Saini prior to 1937, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali.Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai."
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"This article is about the Saini community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh ,Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. For the Mali community, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali. Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai."
Because Saini community is very much different from Mali community[1], they both are registered separately in the census of 1881, and can be seen in second column where saini mention in last of second column[2] and so on. Also the Mali was included under the Rajput sub-category in the 1891 State Census Report for Marwar.[3]
References
- Balfour, Edward (1885). The Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia: Commercial, Industrial and Scientific, Products of the Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Kingdoms, Useful Arts and Manufactures, Volume 2 (1st ed.). Retrieved June 23, 2021.
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- ^ a b "The Sainis believe that their ancestors were Yadavas and that it was the same lineage in which Krishna was born. In the 43rd generation of the Yadavas there was a king known as Shoor or Sur, the son of King Vidaratha....It was in the name of these, father and son, that the community was known as Shoorsaini or Sursaini." People of India: Haryana, p 430, Kumar Suresh Singh, Madan Lal Sharma, A. K. Bhatia, Anthropological Survey of India, Published by Published on behalf of Anthropological Survey of India by Manohar Publishers, 1994
- ^ Balfour, Edward (1885). The Cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia: Commercial, Industrial and Scientific, Products of the Mineral, Vegetable, and Animal Kingdoms, Useful Arts and Manufactures, Volume 2 (1st ed.). Retrieved June 23, 2021.
- ^ Action sociology and development, pp 198, Bindeshwar Pathak, Concept Publishing Company, 1992
- ^ Action sociology and development, pp 198, Bindeshwar Pathak, Concept Publishing Company, 1992
Is saini caste comes under obc ncl asper centre list
I am searching for this from a lot time I just don't get any answer please tell me if someone know 2409:4055:59D:814A:0:0:2ACA:B0A1 (talk) 05:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Saini caste is the Kshatriya (warrior) varna, and are traditionally landowners and warriors. mainly found in Punjab, Haryana (except bordering parts of rajasthan), Himachal, Jammu. Maharaja Shoorsen, grandfather of Shri Krishna is the father of saini/shoorsaini dynasty. Sainis are one of the 20 castes designated as 'martial races' by British India Army - List of Martial race . 2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966 (talk) 19:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Saini caste is the Kshatriya (warrior) varna, and are traditionally landowners and warriors. mainly found in Punjab, Haryana (except bordering parts of rajasthan), Himachal, Jammu. Maharaja Shoorsen, grandfather of Shri Krishna is the father of saini/shoorsaini dynasty. Sainis are one of the 20 castes designated as 'martial races' by British India Army - List of Martial race . 2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966 (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 23:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Saini caste is the Kshatriya (warrior) varna, and are traditionally landowners and warriors. mainly found in Punjab, Haryana (except bordering parts of rajasthan), Himachal, Jammu. Maharaja Shoorsen, grandfather of Shri Krishna is the father of saini/shoorsaini dynasty. Sainis are one of the 20 castes designated as 'martial races' by British India Army - List of Martial race . 2409:40D7:1:C181:4C00:E46C:DE57:7966 (talk) 19:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 23:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)