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== Hypocrisy of the ‘HistoryofIran’ == |
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It is quite clear to see the hypocrisy of the ‘HistoryofIran’ account when it comes to the editorial part of the article. For the Seljuk Empire article, he clearly mentioned turco-persian at the beginning of the article to claim Seljuk History as a part of Iranian history just because Seljuks were heavily influenced by the Persian culture. And that is quite okay. On the other hand, even though the Safavids were heavily influenced by the Turkic culture and Turkification, he clearly did not mention it as a Turco-Iranian dynasty unlike how he edited the Seljuks. This is a clear example of Bias. Another case is he clearly considers himself as omniscient in the subject and he claims the authority to decide on which sources are biased which are not. For instance, When I checked the history of this page, I clearly saw that he basically disregarded sources as biased and instead used an Iranian source as an unbiase4d source for his claim. Even though the Safavid Dynasty heavily used Turkish in literature and Shahs spoke Turkish just like how Seljuk Empire used Persian in literature and court, he never used Turco-Iranian to describe the Safavid Dynasty. It is interesting to see that Wikipedia allows hypocrites to edit articles and allow them to push their propaganda and narrative. And in one of his answers, he said that speaking Turkish does not change the fact that someone was Kurdish but according to his claim speaking Persian turns a Turkic dynasty into Persian and gives him the right to call that empire as Turco-Persian. On the other hand, it is quite expected from an Iranian to erase the Turkic influence in Iran to completely assimilate the Southern Azerbaijanis living in Today's Iran and instead push aa propaganda in the favour of Kurds. He discards all the third party sources in favor of Turkic influence to achieve his aim, and replace them with Iranian sources which are questionably biased. If anyone is interested in turning the article into a more objective one, I would suggest adding Turco-Iranian term just like in the Seljuk Emire article. Of course, he mentions the Turkification but never in the first paragraph to create an illusion that the dynasty was fully Iranian. I am pretty sure he will reply with some nonsense as his other replies, this situation just proves that How pathetic Wikipedia became. A perfect example of Double-Standards exercised by a soo called objective Wiki editor. |
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Hello HistoryofIran, why you did undo my edit?
I think HistoryofIran is a troll dedicated to falsifying history. KY-Acc (talk) 05:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2020 (add link to see also header)
Add link to Safavid Dynasty#See Also
PunchyTurtle (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Turkic–speaking Iranian dynasty
This information has been reverted, with the following edit summary: "rv, further back - not at all, please see WP:RS and WP:SPS. They were bilingual per Minorsky and whatnot". I think info is relevant and should be included.
References
- ^ Spielvogel, Jackson J. (2008). World History, Volume I. Cengage Learning. p. 466. ISBN 049556902X.
-- Tobby72 (talk) 12:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- There is no clarity on this subject, and the general opinion was that the Safavids spoke more Persian and were Multilingual. WP:RS Make sure you read the rules here well, "Be clear and simple !" ItsObjectiveee (talk) 15:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Kurdish Origin?
Who was Kurdish? You can't just claim Kurdish because of a singular source of a possibly mistaken individual. Who was Kurdish? KY-Acc (talk) 05:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- WP:JDL. The sources are literally quoted, read them. --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Maintly Turkish origins of Safavid dynasty
Please change "It was an Iranian dynasty of Kurdish origin,[3] but during their rule, they intermarried with Turkoman,[4] Georgian,[5] Circassian,[6][7] and Pontic Greek[8] dignitaries." to
"It was the reign of the Alevî-Bektâşî Türkmen (Turkmen Bektash) dynasty and it was the first dynasty in history with Shiite as its official religion[1][2]
The Turkmen tribes assisting to the establishment of the Savafids are Şadıllı, Şamlı, Afşar, Kaçar, Çağırganlı, Karamustafaoğlu, Tekeli, Beğdili, Humuslu, Ustaclu, Dulkadirlu, Varsaklar.[3]
Wilhelm Barthold is of the opinion that the Safavids are of Turkish rather than Persian origin.[4] The Russian historian Petrushevsky, on the other hand, has a similar view; "The first Safavid sheiks lived in Ardabil and their native language was Azerbaijani (ie Turkish)," he says. [5]
Regarding the lineage of İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı of the Safavids; He writes, "Despite being from a completely Turk origin, they showed themselves from Sâdât-ı Hüseyniyye as a tool for their politics".[6] Similar information on this subject is based on the data in Saffetü's-Safa, where mentions Safiyüddin Erdebilî was called “Türk’ün Piri” (the Turkish patriarch), the sheik lived in the "Turkish village" and he served Turkish disciples better and offered them white bread and honey. In addition, according to many sources, it can be seen that many of Safi's contemporaries, who were originally Persian, in 1272, also referred to him as the Turkish Piri. [7][8]
The origin of the Safavid dynasty comes from the Safavid order founded by Safiyüddin İshak, who was the sixth-degree grandfather of Shah İsmâil[9] at the end of the 13th century, in Ardebil.[10] In Gilan, Safiyüddin, who was the disciple of the great Alawi Turkmen leader Sheikh Zahid-i Gilanî, married the daughter of the sheikh and became the head of the Zahidiyye sect, and after Zahid's death, the order was known as Safevîyye.[11] During the reign of the sect of Sheikh Cüneyt, the Safavids, who were under the protection of the Akkoyunlu, started to convert a large number of Azeri and Anatolian Turks to Shia. Since these Shiite [Alevi-Bektâşî] Turkmens usually wear red turbans on their heads, they took the historical name Kızılbaş. [12] " 5.92.168.169 (talk) 22:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nope. More attempts to deny a Kurdish origin in favour of a fictional Turkic origin with questionable sources. In other words a normal day in this article. Hell, even Zahed Gilani (a native Gilak of Lahijan, who wasn't even Alawi, lol) is thrown in the mix this time. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
There is no even one poem or other writing in the Kurdish language remaining from Shah Ismail or other Safavid Shahs. While there exist many poems in Turkish and Persian from them. Shah Ismail has written in the Azerbaijani language, a branch of Turkic language.[13] His other serious works include the Nasihatnāme in Azerbaijani language,[14][15] a book of advice, and the unfinished Dahnāme in Azerbaijani language,[16][17] a book which extols the virtues of love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.92.168.169 (talk) 13:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Because he didnt write in Kurdish he wasnt one? What logic is that? Read the notice on this talk page, this isnt a forum, take this somewhere else. HistoryofIran (talk)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 17:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ R.M. Savory, Safavids, Encyclopedia of Islam, 2nd edition
- ^ Andrew J. Newman, Safavid Iran: Rebirth of a Persian Empire, I. B. Tauris (Mart 30, 2006)
- ^ Golden,Türk halkları Tar. Giriş. Çeviren, Osman Karatay Ankara 2002, s. 321
- ^ W. Barthold, Soçineniya, C. II, bölüm I, Moskova, 1963, s. 748.
- ^ Petruşevski’den naklen, Efendiyev, s. 33
- ^ İsmail Hakkı Uzunçarşılı, Osmanlı Tarihi, C. II, Ankara, 1998, s. 225
- ^ Âlem-i Ârâ-yi Safevî, s. 11.
- ^ Heyyət, C. “Azərbaycanın Türkləşməsi və Azəri Türkçəsinin Təşəkkülü”, Varlıq, Tehran 1992, s. 9-12.
- ^ Kütükoğlu, Bekir (1962). Osmanlı-Iran Siyâsî münâsebetleri T, 1578-1590. Edebiyat Fakültesi Natbaasi
- ^ Uğur, Ahmet (1989). Yavuz Sultan Selim. Erciyes Üniversitesi, Sosyal Bilimler Enstitüsü Müdürlüğü. s. 45. Bu hanedan adını Safevî tarikatı reisi Şeyh Safiyüddin İshak'dan almaktadır.
- ^ Çiçek, Kemal (2000). The Great Ottoman-Turkish Civilisation: Politics (İngilizce). Yeni Türkiye. ISBN 975-6782-18-8, ISBN 978-975-6782-18-7.
- ^ Goldschmidt, Arthur (2002). A concise history of the Middle East (İngilizce). Westview Press. s. 142. ISBN 0-8133-3885-9, ISBN 978-0-8133-3885-9. Under the leadership of Shaykh Junayd (d. 1460) and the protection of the Black Sheep Turcomans, the Safavids began converting the large number of Turks in Azerbaijan and Anatolia to Shi'ism. These Shi'i Turks came to be called Kizilbash (red heads) because of their distinctive headgear.
- ^ V. Minorsky, "The Poetry of Shah Ismail I," Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London 10/4 (1942): 1006–53.
- ^ "ESMĀʿĪL I ṢAFAWĪ – Encyclopaedia Iranica". iranicaonline.org. Retrieved 2014-10-15
- ^ "ESMĀʿĪL I ṢAFAWĪ – Encyclopaedia Iranica". iranicaonline.org. Retrieved 2014-10-15
- ^ "ESMĀʿĪL I ṢAFAWĪ – Encyclopaedia Iranica". iranicaonline.org. Retrieved 2014-10-15
- ^ "ESMĀʿĪL I ṢAFAWĪ – Encyclopaedia Iranica". iranicaonline.org. Retrieved 2014-10-15
Hypocrisy of the ‘HistoryofIran’
It is quite clear to see the hypocrisy of the ‘HistoryofIran’ account when it comes to the editorial part of the article. For the Seljuk Empire article, he clearly mentioned turco-persian at the beginning of the article to claim Seljuk History as a part of Iranian history just because Seljuks were heavily influenced by the Persian culture. And that is quite okay. On the other hand, even though the Safavids were heavily influenced by the Turkic culture and Turkification, he clearly did not mention it as a Turco-Iranian dynasty unlike how he edited the Seljuks. This is a clear example of Bias. Another case is he clearly considers himself as omniscient in the subject and he claims the authority to decide on which sources are biased which are not. For instance, When I checked the history of this page, I clearly saw that he basically disregarded sources as biased and instead used an Iranian source as an unbiase4d source for his claim. Even though the Safavid Dynasty heavily used Turkish in literature and Shahs spoke Turkish just like how Seljuk Empire used Persian in literature and court, he never used Turco-Iranian to describe the Safavid Dynasty. It is interesting to see that Wikipedia allows hypocrites to edit articles and allow them to push their propaganda and narrative. And in one of his answers, he said that speaking Turkish does not change the fact that someone was Kurdish but according to his claim speaking Persian turns a Turkic dynasty into Persian and gives him the right to call that empire as Turco-Persian. On the other hand, it is quite expected from an Iranian to erase the Turkic influence in Iran to completely assimilate the Southern Azerbaijanis living in Today's Iran and instead push aa propaganda in the favour of Kurds. He discards all the third party sources in favor of Turkic influence to achieve his aim, and replace them with Iranian sources which are questionably biased. If anyone is interested in turning the article into a more objective one, I would suggest adding Turco-Iranian term just like in the Seljuk Emire article. Of course, he mentions the Turkification but never in the first paragraph to create an illusion that the dynasty was fully Iranian. I am pretty sure he will reply with some nonsense as his other replies, this situation just proves that How pathetic Wikipedia became. A perfect example of Double-Standards exercised by a soo called objective Wiki editor.