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::Calling someone sympathetic to Nazism (which that quotation does not directly do) is very [[WP:EXCEPTIONAL]] and needs ''multiple'' high quality sources, you have only provided one dubious source from 1944 that is very outdated ([[WP:AGE MATTERS]]). --[[User:KhndzorUtogh|KhndzorUtogh]] ([[User talk:KhndzorUtogh|talk]]) 00:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
::Calling someone sympathetic to Nazism (which that quotation does not directly do) is very [[WP:EXCEPTIONAL]] and needs ''multiple'' high quality sources, you have only provided one dubious source from 1944 that is very outdated ([[WP:AGE MATTERS]]). --[[User:KhndzorUtogh|KhndzorUtogh]] ([[User talk:KhndzorUtogh|talk]]) 00:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I'm not sure if you understood the idea of [[WP:RSAGE]]. This is a biography material of a person who lived between 1883-1968. It's not a scientific, fashion, law etc article. The source I added is from the year this person lived. So, WP:AGE_MATTERS has no point to be discussed here. Regarding the other sources, I found more. Will be adding to the article. [[User:Aredoros87|Aredoros87]] ([[User talk:Aredoros87|talk]]) 14:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
:::I'm not sure if you understood the idea of [[WP:RSAGE]]. This is a biography material of a person who lived between 1883-1968. It's not a scientific, fashion, law etc article. The source I added is from the year this person lived. So, WP:AGE_MATTERS has no point to be discussed here. Regarding the other sources, I found more. Will be adding to the article. [[User:Aredoros87|Aredoros87]] ([[User talk:Aredoros87|talk]]) 14:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::The Congressional Record is only mentioning what Flynn claimed, not making an original assessment. And you still need to provide reliable sources from the past half-century for these heavy claims. --[[User:KhndzorUtogh|KhndzorUtogh]] ([[User talk:KhndzorUtogh|talk]]) 23:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::The source does not attribute the text you quoted to Darbinyan. It says that it appeared in the newspaper that he edited. I checked the [https://tert.nla.am/archive/HGG%20TERT/hayreniq%20boston/1936/1936(7410).pdf original issue] of ''Hairenik'': indeed, the author of the relevant passage is someone writing under the pen name "Asatur", not Ruben Darbinyan. [[User:Revolution Saga|Revolution Saga]] ([[User talk:Revolution Saga|talk]]) 10:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
::The source does not attribute the text you quoted to Darbinyan. It says that it appeared in the newspaper that he edited. I checked the [https://tert.nla.am/archive/HGG%20TERT/hayreniq%20boston/1936/1936(7410).pdf original issue] of ''Hairenik'': indeed, the author of the relevant passage is someone writing under the pen name "Asatur", not Ruben Darbinyan. [[User:Revolution Saga|Revolution Saga]] ([[User talk:Revolution Saga|talk]]) 10:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for finding the archive material. I cannot verify it since I cannot read Armenian, but I will be changing the sentence I added previously. Plus, I found some new sources too. [[User:Aredoros87|Aredoros87]] ([[User talk:Aredoros87|talk]]) 14:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
:::Thanks for finding the archive material. I cannot verify it since I cannot read Armenian, but I will be changing the sentence I added previously. Plus, I found some new sources too. [[User:Aredoros87|Aredoros87]] ([[User talk:Aredoros87|talk]]) 14:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Friends of Democracy is a self-described "propaganda agency"[1]. This source is an outdated hit-piece that doesn't have a publisher or even an author. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
is a self-described "propaganda agency"cherry picking the stuff is not helpful. It describes itself as "a non-partisan, non-sectarian, non-profit, anti-totalitarian propaganda agency." . In previous paragraph in the link you added it says:- it monitored various fascist- and communist-sympathizers, as well as materials, literature, newsletters, and correspondence collected by Friends of Democracy documenting the various activities, writings, and beliefs of those groups
- The term "propaganda" is sarcasm here. Even their journal is named "The Propaganda Battlefront". No one is fool to call their publication as a propaganda agency ti discredit themselves.
- Friends of Democracy is an "anti-propaganda organization.[1]
- "It's an organization devoted to investigating anti-democratic and pro-fascist groups and individuals in the United States."[2]
- One of the editor was well-known Armenian-American author and journalist Arthur Derounian who infiltrated among the radical groups. Later on he wrote best-selling Under Cover book.[3] Aredoros87 (talk) 13:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- "This source is an outdated hit-piece that doesn't have a publisher or even an author".
- 1) I don't get what exactly you mean here by saying "outdated". Darbinyan lived between 1883-1968, and the journal was published in 1944. What's wrong here?
- 2) Here you can see their publisher[1] and author is the FoD Inc.[2][3]
- And here you can see the response from Hairenik to this journal.
- Aredoros87 (talk) 23:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Calling someone sympathetic to Nazism (which that quotation does not directly do) is very WP:EXCEPTIONAL and needs multiple high quality sources, you have only provided one dubious source from 1944 that is very outdated (WP:AGE MATTERS). --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 00:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you understood the idea of WP:RSAGE. This is a biography material of a person who lived between 1883-1968. It's not a scientific, fashion, law etc article. The source I added is from the year this person lived. So, WP:AGE_MATTERS has no point to be discussed here. Regarding the other sources, I found more. Will be adding to the article. Aredoros87 (talk) 14:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- The Congressional Record is only mentioning what Flynn claimed, not making an original assessment. And you still need to provide reliable sources from the past half-century for these heavy claims. --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 23:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you understood the idea of WP:RSAGE. This is a biography material of a person who lived between 1883-1968. It's not a scientific, fashion, law etc article. The source I added is from the year this person lived. So, WP:AGE_MATTERS has no point to be discussed here. Regarding the other sources, I found more. Will be adding to the article. Aredoros87 (talk) 14:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Calling someone sympathetic to Nazism (which that quotation does not directly do) is very WP:EXCEPTIONAL and needs multiple high quality sources, you have only provided one dubious source from 1944 that is very outdated (WP:AGE MATTERS). --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 00:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- The source does not attribute the text you quoted to Darbinyan. It says that it appeared in the newspaper that he edited. I checked the original issue of Hairenik: indeed, the author of the relevant passage is someone writing under the pen name "Asatur", not Ruben Darbinyan. Revolution Saga (talk) 10:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding the archive material. I cannot verify it since I cannot read Armenian, but I will be changing the sentence I added previously. Plus, I found some new sources too. Aredoros87 (talk) 14:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- The source does not attribute the text you quoted to Darbinyan. It says that it appeared in the newspaper that he edited. I checked the original issue of Hairenik: indeed, the author of the relevant passage is someone writing under the pen name "Asatur", not Ruben Darbinyan. Revolution Saga (talk) 10:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)