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== "Completely naked"? == |
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"Completely naked"?
Wearing a tunic (or a subligaculum, for that matter) and a shoulder guard is not exactly "completely naked", isn't it? The difference to most other gladiator types was that the retiarius did not wear a helmet. The ancient artwork is relatively consistent on how those men were dressed and equipped. --62.143.121.135 20:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Spongia = Shoulder Guard?
You'll have to attribute that one: spongia simply means "sponge", though there is recorded use of spongia pectori tegumentum ("sponge covering the chest") to mean a coat of mail, I'd imagine you'd need something similar along with spongia to refer to a shoulder covering (spongia alae tegumentum?).67.101.119.99 (talk) 01:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Source are cited for the term, so please check those for more information. Junkelmann is a good place to look. — Dulcem (talk) 03:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- I dug deeper for the primary source: it's from Tertullianus' De Spectaculis: "Poterit et de misericordia moueri defixus in morsus ursorum et spongias retiariorum." Alain Vassileiou explores this in Les éponges des rétiaires Mythe et réalite, saying that this highly ambiguous reference in Tertullianus is the only instance of spongia's use in relation to the retiarius. He goes on to provide various explanations, including that some have connected it to the phrase I quoted in my earlier post, attempting to extend the idea to the shoulder armor (note that "shoulder" is never mentioned in Tertullianus' usage--others seem to have inferred it simply because retiarii wear no other armor). It has also been claimed to refer to the net, which seems slightly more plausible but still lacks attestation. Vassileiou concludes that it's probably a simple editorial error and that the word punctas (thrusts, i.e., with the dagger or trident--both well known retiarius equipment) was likely meant instead, which, if nothing else would make for better parallelism with "the bites of bears."67.188.246.241 (talk) 05:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Modern Day Equivalent
Spider Man is a modern day Retiarius. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 07:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Inconsistent date formats
Sometimes dates are given using "CE", sometimes using "AD" and sometimes nothing at all eg, "2nd century". Should they not all have the same format? --BodegasAmbite (talk) 08:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
No footwear?
Doesn't the image at top show the retiarius with some type of footwear? It's small and hard to tell, but looks like straps over the ankles. The Zliten mosaic below clearly shows protection over the feet, evidently without a sole, but footwear nonetheless. The famous four-panel mosaic seems to show Kalendio with shinguards in the bottom panel that extend over the top of the foot, but different straps around the ankles in the upper panel. (Then again, I have rather poor vision.) The relief is hard to see. The article mentions ankle-bands. I'm curious about this because at first glance (hasty, I admit) I don't see anything in the techniques section about the relative (dis)advantages of fighting barefoot, or why the tops of the feet were protected and not the soles. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)