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<ref>Woodrow Wilson Center [http://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/book-event-idead-reckoning-memories-the-1971-bangladesh-wari Woodrow Wilson Center Book Launch event]</ref><ref>[http://www.bricklanecircle.org/uploads/Anatomy_of_Violence_-_Analysis_of_Civil_War_in_East_Pakistan_n_1971.pdf Anatomy of Violence: Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971] by Sarmila Bose in the [[Economic and Political Weekly]], October 8, 2005</ref><ref>[http://www.bricklanecircle.org/uploads/Losing_the_vitctims_-_Problems_of_Using_Women_as_Weapons_in_Recounting_the_Bangladesh_War.pdf Losing the Victims: Problems of Using Women as Weapons in Recounting the Bangladesh War] by Sarmila Bose in the [[Economic and Political Weekly]], September 22, 2007</ref> |
<ref>Woodrow Wilson Center [http://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/book-event-idead-reckoning-memories-the-1971-bangladesh-wari Woodrow Wilson Center Book Launch event]</ref><ref>[http://www.bricklanecircle.org/uploads/Anatomy_of_Violence_-_Analysis_of_Civil_War_in_East_Pakistan_n_1971.pdf Anatomy of Violence: Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971] by Sarmila Bose in the [[Economic and Political Weekly]], October 8, 2005</ref><ref>[http://www.bricklanecircle.org/uploads/Losing_the_vitctims_-_Problems_of_Using_Women_as_Weapons_in_Recounting_the_Bangladesh_War.pdf Losing the Victims: Problems of Using Women as Weapons in Recounting the Bangladesh War] by Sarmila Bose in the [[Economic and Political Weekly]], September 22, 2007</ref> |
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Content problem
Hi! I feel darkness shines is hoping for another fac for this article. I think one content-related problem still persists here. Although the topic is rape, other crimes tend to be heavily discussed. I am not saying do not mention killing ! But, the topic should focus less on non-rape atrocities.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
- @Dwaipayan: I have been trimming those down over the last few days and adding stuff which is more directly related to the article, all advice and help gratefully taken. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:16, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
- "The Bengali people were the demographic majority in Pakistan after the Partition of India, making up an estimated 75 million in the East compared with 55 million in the predominately Urdu-speaking West" Need to mention the year of that data.
- "The people of the East were looked upon as second-class citizens by the West, and Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi referred to the region as..." Provide a small descriptor for Niazi. Who was he? Also, providing the year of that quote might be good.
- "The refusal by successive governments to recognize Bengali as the second national language led to the formation of the Bengali language movement and to further support for the newly formed Awami League" Probably grammatically weak sentence, perhaps breaking is needed? Also, a descriptor of Awami League (such as , "established as the Bengali alternative to the domination of the Muslim League in Pakistan..).
- "Nationalists viewed those who had died as martyrs for their cause,..." Nationalists in the East viewed...
- "...and that Ayub Khan was willing to lose the East if it meant" Descriptor for Ayub Khan.
- "...the quick rehabilitation of the perpetrators back in Pakistan was to have salient implications for the country's future". May not be needed in the article; however, this is kind of mysterious. What implications?
- Overall, I think the background is ok-ish. Two sentences in the beginning, mentioning West and East Pakistan (due to partition of India) and their physical distance may help readers.
- "... lead by Tikka Khan" A small descriptor for Tikka Khan
- "who was given the name the "butcher of Bengal" for his actions" By whom?
- "..reportedly said when reminded that he was in charge of a majority province "I will reduce this majority to a minority". When did he say so? Mention year, and, if needed, month.
- "...some as young as eighteen who had been kidnapped..." Eighteen is not really young; perhaps can remove this phrase.
- "... some as young as eighteen who had been kidnapped from private homes and Dacca University who had been held in military brothels" grammar error.
- "Entire villages were razed to the ground and the inhabitants killed. Over a two-day period intellectuals and professionals were taken from their homes and murdered. Their names were found in the diary of Major-General Rao Farman Ali.[30] This has since been declared Martyred Intellectuals Day by the Bangladeshi government" Entirely can go; nothing directly with rape.
- "Liz Trotta reported in 1972 from a village ..." descriptor for Trotta.
- "...but media reports on the atrocities did reach the public, and gave rise to widespread support for the liberation movement" Public where? worldwide? Also, widespread support means international?
- "According to Peter Tomsen, the Inter-Services Intelligence in conjunction with Jamaat-e-Islami formed militias..." All three names, Tomsen, ISI, and Jamaat need descriptor.
- "The Mukti Bahini targeted the Biharis..." Mukti Bahini and Bihari needs descriptors/explanation.
- " Adam Jones has suggested that in terms of the relative rate of killings in a short time span the events in Bangladesh may have been among the top most intense genocidal events of all time, together with the Rwandan genocide of 1994 and the killings of Soviet POWs by Nazi Germany in 1941–42, provided that the true number of victims was close to the upper bound of current estimates, around 3 million" This whole section is probably ok to remove. This is appropriate for the conflict article, but this one should focus on rape specifically.
- "...were the first instances of war rape to attract international media attention,[52] and Sally J. Scholz has written that this was the first genocide to capture the interest of the mass media." First? First since when? There was Holocaust before, and some more.
- "In an interview in 1972 Indira Gandhi justified the use of military intervention, saying, "Shall we sit and watch their women get raped?" Descriptor for Indira Gandhi. This comes somewhat suddenly. Perhaps needs to be moved someplace else.--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:43, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- @Dwaipayan: Thank you for your review, I think I have gotten everything you have mentioned, Re your last two points, Scholz I believe is referring to the fact that this was the first genocide and instance of war rapes covered by the media as it happened, perhaps a copyedit will cover that? Re Gandhi, I am not really to sure where else in the article that should? Darkness Shines (talk) 06:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
- Mention, perhaps at the start of Aftermath, the result of the war as a whole: the East Pakistan seceded as Bangladesh, and West Pakistan became Pakistan.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- I did not read the lead earlier. Not sure, but the lead for whatever reason does not read good. I will try to have a look later.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
On reference style
Since the article uses some books repeatedly, and many are book sources, you can consider using sfn style for references. It is not a requirement, and may take a good few hours to do the conversion. The end result, is, usually aesthetically pleasing. But no need as such.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- Sfn style? Darkness Shines (talk) 04:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
- Dear User:Darkness Shines, I didn't noticed that the source was a forum. But I think info about the research of Sarmila bose is necessary for NPOV while also stating her study has been criticized by various historians and academics. You can use the ISBN/name of that controversial Book Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War as reference if you want. Here you can find some other References.
- Dear User:Darkness Shines, I didn't noticed that the source was a forum. But I think info about the research of Sarmila bose is necessary for NPOV while also stating her study has been criticized by various historians and academics. You can use the ISBN/name of that controversial Book Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War as reference if you want. Here you can find some other References.
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- Rahat | ✉ 16:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
- Her work and methodology has been severely criticised, I see no place for Dead Reckoning here at all. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
References
- ^ Woodrow Wilson Center Woodrow Wilson Center Book Launch event
- ^ Anatomy of Violence: Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971 by Sarmila Bose in the Economic and Political Weekly, October 8, 2005
- ^ Losing the Victims: Problems of Using Women as Weapons in Recounting the Bangladesh War by Sarmila Bose in the Economic and Political Weekly, September 22, 2007