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Readers will want to know what they look like. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.184.184|2.102.184.184]] ([[User talk:2.102.184.184|talk]]) 19:48, 18 June 2016 (UTC) |
Readers will want to know what they look like. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.184.184|2.102.184.184]] ([[User talk:2.102.184.184|talk]]) 19:48, 18 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:They were removed as per [[WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES]]. Although we can still add a single picture that represents the people. [[User:Filpro|Filpro]] ([[User talk:Filpro|talk]]) 01:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC) |
:They were removed as per [[WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES]]. Although we can still add a single picture that represents the people. [[User:Filpro|Filpro]] ([[User talk:Filpro|talk]]) 01:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC) |
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== Edits == |
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The English in this article is very poor and prominently without sources. This is just an heads up that I will be making continuous edits. If anyone has any problem don't hesitate to bring it up. Thanks PS 14:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC) |
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== POV pushing == |
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I've removed [[Indo-Aryan]] ethno-linguistic which was added by an IP. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Punjabis&diff=753293257&oldid=753146473] |
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This fact is not stated in [[Kahn Singh Nabha]]'s Mahan Kosh: |
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* Nabha, Kahan Singh (April 13, 1930). Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature Mahan Kosh. Patiala: Languages Department of Punjab. p. ਪੰਜਾਬੀ. |
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Yes, Punjabis are unified by a [[Ethnolinguistic group|common language]], but that isn't the only factor. |
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Labeling Punjabis just an [[Ethnolinguistic group]] excludes that they are also unified geographically and culturally. From paragraph 3 of the article, Traditionally, the Punjabi identity is primarily linguistic, geographical and cultural, which is independent of historical origin or religion. |
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In terms of race, Punjabis are and have always been a multi-ethnic society. Punjab has been inhabited by many peoples throughout it's [[History of the Punjab|history]] and all Punjabi people are not the descendants of one group (e.g. [[Indo-Aryan]]s). |
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Pashtuns
Pashtuns are an iranian ethnic group originating from afghanistan
pashtuns in afghanistan didn't have a lot of contact with punjabis
pashtuns rarely married punjabis since it was against the pashtunwali (f.e. in afghanistan is a small punjabi minority who live extremly isolated)
pashtuns live on the iranian plateau and punjabis on the Indian subcontinent
pashtuns are waaay closer related to the iranians
if punjabis and pashtuns are related it's distand and definitely not as close as punjabis and sindhis are related to each other
pashtuns lived extremly isolated , punjabis were great merchants all over india
pashtuns also have different phenotypes than punjabis
and also if this goes on as a edit war , it's probably best to remove the related ethnic groups Vikingswarri (talk) 09:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with you we should just end the edit war and leave pashtuns out of the related ethnic groups.Filpro (talk) 14:38, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
you neighbouring doesnt mean related and this about related ethnic groups not neighboring Vikingswarri (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Discriminatory Behavior in Pictures Section
It appears that vandals (who are not signed in and permanently leaving their IP address stamps behind) are intentionally removing pictures of Pakistani / Muslim Punjabis and replacing it with only Indians.
One of the IP addresses identified is from India: 122.164.190.132 (yes, I understand they are not static). Another user identified is "FilPro".
If you're that insecure about the Indian Punjabi population, deal with it constructively within the country of India, in real life, or on the "Indian Punjabi" wiki page, instead of vandalizing the "Punjabi peoples" Wikipedia page. Bollywood actors and b-list / c-list / d-list Indian singers / movie makers are not significant "Prominent Punjabis."' The picture section is reserved for individuals who are intellects, academics, historical / religious / political figures, prominent athletes and business persons that are world renowned, well known among non-Punjabis, or have impacted the global population at large. Not some two-bit entertainers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vdr11 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Picture Section Dispute
Vandals have been persistently trying to remove pictures of Pakistani Punjabis and replace it with only Indian Punjabis. In some instances, adding pictures of individuals that are not even ethnic Punjabi. I am fully willing to engage in an open discussion on this issue here, on the talkPage. There should be an even representation of Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis, and that is not the case. Wikipedia has temporarily protected the page to prevent edit warring. I will continue to undo changes made by vandals in the future. Vdr11 (talk) 19:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- Vdr11, note that if you revert non-vandalism edits as vandalism, you will end up blocked from editing. --NeilN talk to me 20:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- NeilN, I have never reverted non-vandalism edits, I have undone an editor's changes, which reinstated vandalism. There is a difference. You are most welcome to review the history log to confirm this. The editor @Filpro: reverted changes made by vandal (IP address 122.164.190.132, as I identified in the section above), which I undid several times. It was continuously being vandalized so I requested protection of the page. Right before it was protected, @Filpro: and :Mlpearc again reverted to changes made by the vandal. The vandal replaced pictures of Mian Muhammad Baksh, a notable and highly regarded Punjabi poet / Sufi Saint with pictures of a journalist who is not an ethnic Punjabi and notably anti-Pakistani and replaced a highly revered British Knighted Poet Sir Muhammad Iqbal with an Indian, another intentional act to suppress Pakistani Punjabis. It is pretty apparent discrimination. So yes, I will continue to undo edits by VANDALS and changes by editors who are reverting back to the said edits by vandals. Vdr11 (talk) 20:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Protected edit request on 7 November 2015
|image7 = Iqbal.jpg | caption7= Sir Muhammad Iqbal Vdr11 (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC) Tarek Fatah is NOT an ethnic Punjabi. He is from Karachi, Sindh.
Sir Muhammad Idbal IS a Punjabi. He is from Sialkot, Punjab.
I requested protection of the page to encourage discussion from people engaging in discriminatory behavior in the picture section. But of course, none of them have responded. Please change the picture of non-Punjabis in the picture section. Thank you.
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Mlpearc Sure, no problem at all. Tarek Fatah - Straight from the horses mouth: https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/459349422086701056 (Bombay is not Punjab. It isn't even close. Neither is Karachi. It also isn't even close). Sir Muhammad Iqbal - "Encyclopaedia of Eminent Thinkers" by Jai Narain Sharma, Page 13 See it here: (https://books.google.ca/books?id=sKMK9WY9OOsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false). I hope that would suffice? Those are reliable sources.
My two cents: It is not a coincidence that IP addresses from India and editors keep removing pictures from the right hand-panel of people named "Muhammad", or Pakistanis, or in particular Sir Muhammad Iqbal, who was a philosopher and first proposed a two-state theory. I find it sad that Wikipedia editors further re-enforced this discriminatory behavior against West-Punjabis, which has been going on since this page was created 9 years ago. We have no problem towards Indians and they are most welcome to contribute constructively to this page. But when they harass Pakistanis, it's pretty frustrating. Especially when they do it cowardly by not being signed-in (so you cannot engage in a healthy discussion). And consequently, I have showed that frustration in my post in the first section on top of this talkPage. And then you have editors that are signed in, who DO NOT respond to requests for a healthy discussion but instead bully you by undoing your improvements. So what was the point of me requesting this page be Protected in the first place? Vdr11 (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I have double checked, triple checked the sources. I am reactivating the request. Thank you. Please see my comment above, immediately below your request for sources. Vdr11 (talk) 19:22, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Turko-Persian vs. Turkic Empires in Northern India
In the first paragraph, I have changed the term "Turkic" to "Turko-Persian"; as the later is more accurate historically. While the conquering empires, from Ghaznavids to Mughals had traces of Turkic heredity, the culture was largely Persianate - hence the Persian language word "Punj-ab". Please discuss further here if you feel the need. Vdr11 (talk) 07:30, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Proposal for the deletion of all the galleries of personalities from the articles about ethnic groups
Seemingly there is a significant number of commentators which support the general removal of infobox collages. I think there is a great opportunity to get a general agreement on this matter. It is clear that it has to be a broad consensus, which must involve as many editors as possible, otherwise there is a big risk for this decision to be challenged in the near future. I opened a Request for comment process, hoping that more people will adhere to this proposal. Please comment here. Hahun (talk) 23:37, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- Hahun Thank you for discussing this issue. While I do agree that this may lead to reduced conflicts between editors, I also feel that it will contribute to lessening the relatability of Wikipedia pages to readers / general public. While many users are those who prefer just reading an article, I feel many more are visual persons who prefer to see pictures of related personalities, which may then spark their interest further into reading the article and perhaps even contributing to it. Vdr11 (talk) 16:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some pictures of Punjabi people at the top of the article, next to the lead?
Readers will want to know what they look like. 2.102.184.184 (talk) 19:48, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- They were removed as per WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Although we can still add a single picture that represents the people. Filpro (talk) 01:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Edits
The English in this article is very poor and prominently without sources. This is just an heads up that I will be making continuous edits. If anyone has any problem don't hesitate to bring it up. Thanks PS 14:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
POV pushing
I've removed Indo-Aryan ethno-linguistic which was added by an IP. [1]
This fact is not stated in Kahn Singh Nabha's Mahan Kosh:
- Nabha, Kahan Singh (April 13, 1930). Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature Mahan Kosh. Patiala: Languages Department of Punjab. p. ਪੰਜਾਬੀ.
Yes, Punjabis are unified by a common language, but that isn't the only factor.
Labeling Punjabis just an Ethnolinguistic group excludes that they are also unified geographically and culturally. From paragraph 3 of the article, Traditionally, the Punjabi identity is primarily linguistic, geographical and cultural, which is independent of historical origin or religion.
In terms of race, Punjabis are and have always been a multi-ethnic society. Punjab has been inhabited by many peoples throughout it's history and all Punjabi people are not the descendants of one group (e.g. Indo-Aryans).
Peeta Singh (talk) 03:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)