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Plymouth Gin?
Why hasnt anyone mentioned the great Plymouth Gin? Basic ingredient in a Giblet and all? The gin is the only reason i've heard about the town (with all respect:)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy McDandy (talk • contribs) 15:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Flag of Plymouth
It occurs to me that some cities have flags, but I haven't seen the Flag of Plymouth anywhere on the wiki, such as in List of British Flags. A quick look on the net found one verbal description, but no pictures. I remember the council used to fly a very large specimen from their main flagpole outside the civic centre, where they'd fly the stars and stripes on 4th July and so on. The flag is the shield from the coat of arms (possibly with simplified black towers) on a red field. Not being able to find one on the net leads me to thinking someone could make one, but yet again we'd need an RS. Stevebritgimp (talk) 16:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- In fact walking today through Royal Parade there is a red flag, on a high flagpole at the rear of the Civic Centre, up on a roof. You never know, I might get a picture of it. Stevebritgimp (talk) 13:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
- Please do and upload to commons. Sam Davidson (talk) 11:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, you landlubbers, in a fit of madness at 2am I have now uploaded free crappy images taken from my iPhone back in December last year of the flag, and I've set up a page Flag of Plymouth, which might well have been speedily deleted by tomorrow. Anyway, what I think might be needed would be a nice svg file of the flag in a more schematic form, (which I don't know how to do), and maybe the more artistic could get a better picture. Please drop by the page and discussion page and have a look - cheers. Stevebritgimp (talk) 01:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Pilgrims as first American colonists?
This statement seems to be in error - first, there were other European nations colonizing before the English, and second, Jamestown, Va. was founded in 1607, Plymouth, Mass. in 1620. Amwyll Rwden (talk) 05:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed - have changed, although now a little verbose. Hopefully my new version hits all the buttons. Stevebritgimp (talk) 19:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- This statement has been replicated in four places: in the lead of Plymouth and History of Plymouth, in the history section of Plymouth and in a section within the History of Plymouth. I've found a reliable source to prove that it was the second colony and added it to the sections; didn't add in the lead, because it's little bit untidy. Vittel Salt (talk) 22:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Move request for this page
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
It has been requested that this page be moved to Plymouth, Devon - a discussion has been occurring at Talk:Plymouth (disambiguation)#Requested move. Feel free to comment. Knepflerle (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
- This request reached no consensus and was archived without any action. Vittel Salt (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Plymouth (automobile)
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Plymouth (automobile) and Plymouth Colony should be added to the hatnote, as two of the most likely targets (probably more likely than this city in Devon) 76.66.198.46 (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- Sigh, could we possibly stop being so US-centric. The fact that some (but not all) people in the USA can't concieve of anything outside the USA being more important than something within the USA doesn't alter the fact that for most of the English speaking world, the City in Devon is the thing they think of first when hearing the name. Mayalld (talk) 08:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- I read some of the requested move. I can't think of a better reason for a disambiguation page sitting at Plymouth. Two countries with clearly 2 or 3 answers with what belongs here. Both sides are right - in England the primary use is the city and in the U.S. the primary view is either the car or the city/Plymouth rock. Nationalistic views on both sides and no world view by anyone. How the U.S. city got to be included in the hatnote and the U.S. car didn't is beyond me. Royalbroil 04:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
{{editprotected}} Plymouth (automobile) should be added to the hatnote, as one of the most likely targets (probably more likely than this city in Devon). NOTE: I am ***NOT*** from the US, from my IP address, you can tell that easily. In Canada, neither Plymouth Colony nor Plymouth England is primary usage of the term, it is the car company, so it should be at the dablink. 76.66.195.159 (talk) 07:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- This page is semiprotected; any username more than a few days old can edit it. There is no need for administrator assistance to edit this page. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
According to the logs, this page isn't semi-protected. This means that anonymous users without accounts can edit the article, as well as people with accounts that are four days old. It is, however, move protected. Anonymous users cannot move any articles, but users with accounts that are four day old can. As this article is move protected, only sysops/admins can move it. Jolly Ω Janner 16:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
peer review
I've started putting some comments about this article on Wikipedia:Peer review/Plymouth/archive3 but then found out that the user who requested a peer review is banned, so I'm not sure what is going on & whether the comments are useful or other editors would be interested in them?— Rod talk 10:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- I've raised the issue of the banned user at the Admin noticeboard. All opinions are welcome there. As for the peer review, someone else would have requested it before long, so it might as well continue, thanks. —SMALLJIM 16:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- Based on the level of interest that thread has gained from sysops (zero excluding Jim) I'd say ignore. Let's just improve the article on Plymouth and cut out the drama. That's what Wikipedia is supposed to be about anyway. 64.18.144.131 (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- OK I've added a few more comments - let me know if you want me to take another look but I think you could go for GA soon.— Rod talk 17:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- Based on the level of interest that thread has gained from sysops (zero excluding Jim) I'd say ignore. Let's just improve the article on Plymouth and cut out the drama. That's what Wikipedia is supposed to be about anyway. 64.18.144.131 (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Jim, what's a back-formation? 64.18.144.131 (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- Back-formation. DuncanHill (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm I don't know what half of the words mean in that article. The issue was raised on the peer review and I'm not sure how to explain it simply for the average reader (and to myself). 64.18.144.131 (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Duncan! 64.18.144.131 (talk) 22:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm I don't know what half of the words mean in that article. The issue was raised on the peer review and I'm not sure how to explain it simply for the average reader (and to myself). 64.18.144.131 (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
union street
made a small edit to reflect the fact that on most evenings there is only one licensed premises left open (the Cherry Tree pub) in union street. On saturdays 90% of the drinking population can now be found in the drake circus area - voodoo lounge, roundabout, skiving scholar, cuba etc.219.83.84.42 (talk) 11:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- It is cited by a reliable reference (the BBC), which was published just a week ago. If you can find a reliable reference stating that 90% of the drinking population can be found in the Drake Circus area, I will be happy to add it in. Tis the season to be jolly (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
distance from london
i changed this because i know from 1000's of trips between the 2 cities that it is definately not 195 miles.86.137.47.66 (talk) 23:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- According to Google Earth, the distance from the centre of Plymouth to the centre of London is about 190 miles. I do not understand why you added a hyperlink to Marjon's website. Jolly Ω Janner 23:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- There's a (very old) road sign in Marldon (just outside Paignton) that says 189 miles to London. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Supposed tornado
Jolly Janner has added a sentence on a tornado that was supposed to have hit the city in 1810, citing a passing BBC reference. The article has already included this claim: it was added by an IP in Sept 2005 and removed in Feb 08 as uncited. I've removed the sentence again because the balance of probabilities suggests that this event took place in Portsmouth and Southsea, not Plymouth. The BBC probably made a mistake in attributing this event here.
We'll need some evidence for that claim, so here we go:
- List of European tornadoes and tornado outbreaks mentions two tornadoes in 1810: Fernhill Heath - Hampshire on 22 September "Widest known and perhaps strongest British tornadoes", and Southsea on 14 December 1810 "Perhaps strongest British tornado" (both uncited, but see next).
- TORRO's website has a page entitled British & European Tornado Extremes. It mentions the two most intense tornadoes to have known to have hit the UK: one in 1091 and "On September 22, 1810, another T8 tornado tracked from Old Portsmouth to Southsea Common (Hampshire)". The same page mentions that the widest tornado path was on the same day, at Fernhill Heath (Hereford & Worcester).
- A BBC Weather Centre page references the above TORRO page as do mentions in The Independent and The Times.
- Plymouthdata.info - a recognised good source - mentions some 19th century hurricanes and storms, e.g. this, but the only mention of a tornado is spurious.
- I've never seen a mention of a tornado in any of my reference books that cover Plymouth. You'll have to trust me on that.
- Most of the Google hits for "plymouth tornado 1810" appear to derive from that BBC article or the old version of this article, e.g. The Guardian. None of them seems to provide any extra detail. (Most of the hits refer to US Plymouths.)
- And the clincher, I think: The Edinburgh Annual Register for Dec 1810 (pp. 257-8) "The town and vicinity of Portsmouth were visited on Friday, the 14th, by that phenomenon of nature, a tornado. It passed in the direction of W. S. W. to N. E. and did very considerable local damage…"
So, there's some confusion over the date (TORRO has it wrong), but I think there's little doubt that it occurred at Portsmouth, not Plymouth. Happy to discuss if anyone wants to dispute these findings. —SMALLJIM 00:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Wow... You sure do some good research! I originaly spotted it on the Finish Wikipedia, which got me researching the topic, but your overwealming research has discouraged me, so I'd better removed it from the Finish Wikipedia too. P.S the recent vandalism to the article, which refered to you had nothing to do with me. I have no idea why it happened. Jolly Ω Janner 01:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- OK, good. Since it was the second time that this supposed tornado had been added to the article, I thought it wise to blow it away as best as I could. The references should prove useful the next time someone decides to add it, too. Regarding the vandalism, I assumed that September outbreak came via /b/. Is that right? —SMALLJIM 23:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yep, although I don't think the latest one was /b/'s doing. Maybe someone looked in the revision history and thought it would be amusing to repeat it. Oh well, have a nice day :) Jolly Ω Janner 23:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Pennycross Primary School
This school doesn't seem to be notable so i have suggested a merge with this article or any related ones that can fit the info of the school article. JForget 20:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
- Try Honicknowle. City articles shouldn't mention primary schools. Jolly Ω Janner 20:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Agatha Christie
As a Frenchmen, it's not up to me to say what to put in this page.
But as a father, I can tell you that one of the few landmarks visited by my daughter during her visit of the city with her class was "Agatha Christie's Greenway house".
Shouldn't she be mentioned among the people and/or the places to see in the city ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.216.148.175 (talk) 21:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a tourist guide. We only write about notable residents or people who have contributed to the city greatly in articles about cities. Agatha Christie is more notable for Torquay and "Agatha Christie's Greenway house" is not a notable landmark. Jolly Ω Janner 21:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
- Agatha Christie's Greenway House is in Galmpton anyway, nothing to do with Plymouth. Totnesmartin (talk) 09:05, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Disambiguation required
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not apply to this article. No arguments at US or British centralism will be accounted for. Is there any reason this city occupies this article instead of Plymouth (disambiguation). I'd have thought at the very least the fact that more than just cities share this name would have precluded the lack of disambiguation. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 17:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)