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I added back the view from other early Greenpeace members, as it was properly sourced. Also removed weasel word "he was '''indeed''' a founding member" and refererring to New Yorker, as the sources didn't have New Yorker in them. For more discussion about Watson's role in early Greenpeace, see the archived discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paul_Watson/Archive_3#8th_member_of_greenpeace[[User:Shubi|Shubi]] ([[User talk:Shubi|talk]]) 00:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC) |
I added back the view from other early Greenpeace members, as it was properly sourced. Also removed weasel word "he was '''indeed''' a founding member" and refererring to New Yorker, as the sources didn't have New Yorker in them. For more discussion about Watson's role in early Greenpeace, see the archived discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paul_Watson/Archive_3#8th_member_of_greenpeace[[User:Shubi|Shubi]] ([[User talk:Shubi|talk]]) 00:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:SSCS is not RS typically. One RS does not discount numerous other RS. I do not mind saying that he claims it but do not give it undue weight and do not use a primary source that is credited by RS as being dishonest and known here as propaganda.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 03:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC) |
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Arrest
- Costa Rica incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFv4PopXScc
- INTERPOL statement: http://www.interpol.int/en/News-and-media/News-media-releases/2012/N20120514
On 2 March, 2012 INTERPOL issued a written statement to all 190 member countries making it clear that it would NOT publish a Red Notice seeking the arrest of Paul Franklin Watson because its Office of Legal Affairs was NOT satisfied that the request was in compliance with INTERPOL’s Constitution and Rules. --77.4.65.192 (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Recent edit warring
I notice there has been some recent revert warring with the article. I don't think describing Watson as a fugitive is a violation of BLP, because the sources support it. I don't have an opinion on the rest of the material that has been recently reverted. Cla68 (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- I incorrectly thought the edit I reverted had the disputed line saying he was wanted by Norway still. I don't mind saying that he is a fugitive, though. The edit did have WP:WORDS issues that are unacceptable and I think the lead is better now but feel free to stick fugitive in there. Cptnono (talk) 16:46, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I have also reverted jogger. He did an unexplained removal which was reverted by someone else then gave a disproportionate amount of space to SSCS's rebuttal. SSCS has RS saying that they manipulate the media so there is no reason that they should be given the opportunity here. Find a secondary source and paraphrase.Cptnono (talk) 02:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Jogger has had the opportunity to rescind legal threats, take the advice given, use the talk page, and so on and so on. I'm going to continue to revert until he chimes in. Cptnono (talk) 06:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- I am not a party to this dispute, but I will say the following:
- Declaring that you will continue to engage in disruptive activity (repeated reversion) during a content dispute, when there is no vandalism involved, will result in you being blocked and this page protected.
- Primary sources are perfectly fine to use when presenting claims or quotations from that primary source. The only problem I see is the disproportionate amount of space given, as Cptnono observed. Would it not be a reasonable compromise to resolve your dispute by simply saying in one or two sentences how Watson responded, and reference the source, so if readers want to see more they can look it up? ~Amatulić (talk) 15:42, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- I agree, there's no need to quote excessively. What he originally wrote is in two of the three sources so it doesn't need to be reproduced here. Per your suggestion I've consolidated the whole section.[1] --AussieLegend (talk) 16:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. We have plenty of sources discussing it. However, not all of the sources gave it the spin SSCS did. I've continuously been against over using SSCS as a primary source for controversial content since it leads to disputes like this. And it might sound tin foil hat-like, but I don't trust their mini-marketing machine since they have told reporters and written in books that they do not necessarily intent to be honest. Paraphrase from secondary RS and I am happy.
- I agree, there's no need to quote excessively. What he originally wrote is in two of the three sources so it doesn't need to be reproduced here. Per your suggestion I've consolidated the whole section.[1] --AussieLegend (talk) 16:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- And I will keep on reverting as long as it does not surpass 3/rr, Amatulic. I have attempted to engage and the new account has made zero tries while engaging in BLP violation (positive is also a violation). Learn the policies and guidelines before lecturing, son. Cptnono (talk) 05:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Early activism & Greenpeace
I added back the view from other early Greenpeace members, as it was properly sourced. Also removed weasel word "he was indeed a founding member" and refererring to New Yorker, as the sources didn't have New Yorker in them. For more discussion about Watson's role in early Greenpeace, see the archived discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paul_Watson/Archive_3#8th_member_of_greenpeaceShubi (talk) 00:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)