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:Agree about the sign showing the name not being important (these are often added to get around [[WP:NOINDICSCRIPT]] and [[WP:COMMONNAME]]). As for the other images, the first shows a gantry, which could be almost any station, the second shows the exterior, which is more specific/recognisable as this specific station. So I prefer Mughalsarai Junction entrance. - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 09:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
:Agree about the sign showing the name not being important (these are often added to get around [[WP:NOINDICSCRIPT]] and [[WP:COMMONNAME]]). As for the other images, the first shows a gantry, which could be almost any station, the second shows the exterior, which is more specific/recognisable as this specific station. So I prefer Mughalsarai Junction entrance. - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 09:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks - I have put Mughalsarai Junction entrance.jpg as the infobox picture and moved Mughalsarai Station 2.jpg to the gallery.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 09:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
::Thanks - I have put Mughalsarai Junction entrance.jpg as the infobox picture and moved Mughalsarai Station 2.jpg to the gallery.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 09:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Deen Dayal Upadhyaya junction
Please move this article to Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya junction only after demonstrating that it has become the common name via a move request. The station was officially renamed only a couple of weeks ago while an editor moved this page in June :S Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 11:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi there,
If I understood your reasons correctly on the page move cancellation, I am hereby proving the links required to confirm the renaming.
Pls advise if I should post them on the talk page of the article also & can I move the article again.
- https://www.ndtv.com/cities/mughalsarai-railway-station-renamed-deen-dayal-upadhyay-junction-1883097
- https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/railways/mughalsarai-station-renamed-as-deen-dayal-upadhyay-junction/articleshow/65284418.cms
- https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/mughalsarai-junction-renamed-why-name-changed-after-156-years-1305650-2018-08-05
Superfast1111 (talk) 10:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Superfast1111, Thanks for your kind message on my talk page. Please understand that there is no doubt that the official name of this station has been changed. However Wikipedia articles are not based on the official name but rather on WP:COMMONNAME. For example Bangalore has been changed to Bengaluru officially several years back, yet the article is still on the old more common name. If you believe that DDU is the common name then you have to share evidence that DDU is the common name on the talk page to get consensus for a move. see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial. FYI, IMHO The common name is still the old name and hence I will oppose such a move request. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 10:34, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks DbigXray for clarifying the matter. Accordingly, I will take no further action until further consensus takes place.
Superfast1111 (talk) 10:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- This is an article from today, and we can see that reliable media is still using Mughalsarai name and not DDU. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- @DBigXray: Nice find. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Prayagraj junction was also changed almost at same time as Deen Dayal but why seperate yardstick for them? Anubhavklal 19:16, 11 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anubhavklal (talk • contribs)
- The change for Allahabad Junction was sneaked through. If it had had proper member scrutiny, it would probably have been rejected.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a way, to sneak through for this one also. It is gross injustice to users of Wikipedia, to deprive them of knowing the common name, just to preserve one own point of view/political position. Anubhavklal (talk) 18:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- The article tells the users both names already.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes the article can still have old name also but I am talking about the title. Why to prevent moving to new title just because of political bias? Anubhavklal (talk) 00:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- I have answered your question at User talk:Anubhavklal#June 2023.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:24, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes the article can still have old name also but I am talking about the title. Why to prevent moving to new title just because of political bias? Anubhavklal (talk) 00:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- The article tells the users both names already.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a way, to sneak through for this one also. It is gross injustice to users of Wikipedia, to deprive them of knowing the common name, just to preserve one own point of view/political position. Anubhavklal (talk) 18:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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Toddy1, hi. All I did was add a mapframe caption "Interactive map". (with regard to this edit) Your edit summary "infoboxes are easier to edit if the parameters are all lined up" concerns spaces in the source code. This happened by itself, for whatever reason. I am not going to spend time removing spaces like this :)
I am going to make the same change, adding "Interactive map" to the mapframe caption, to see if I made a mistake with my last edit. If there are again spacing errors created elsewhere I will undo it myself. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 22:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, so I made the same change. And yes, even though I only added "Interactive map" using the visual editor, spaces were removed automatically. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 22:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- This has happened before, it has to do with switching between source and visual editor and where the original code in the previous/original edit has been entered. I've made the change I wanted, adding "Interactive map" (edit). FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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Picture for the infobox
Mughalsarai Station 2 | Mughalsarai Junction entrance |
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In my opinion the photograph in the infobox should be one that shows what the station looks like. One that shows little more than a sign with the station's name is not so useful. The above two photographs both achieve this. Mughalsarai Station 2 was the one in use in 2020. Does anyone have a preference?-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- Agree about the sign showing the name not being important (these are often added to get around WP:NOINDICSCRIPT and WP:COMMONNAME). As for the other images, the first shows a gantry, which could be almost any station, the second shows the exterior, which is more specific/recognisable as this specific station. So I prefer Mughalsarai Junction entrance. - Arjayay (talk) 09:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 23 June 2023
Mughalsarai Junction railway station → Pt Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction – The official name was changed many years ago, and now the new name is the common usage.
I am learning how to provide evidence for the same and which evidences are acceptable and which are not. Hence requesting other users to help in providing evidence.
The credibility of Wikipedia need to be preserved/improved by ensuring that ot provides reliable and updated information to it's users. Anubhavklal (talk) 16:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- http://www.totaltraininfo.com/station/ddu/
- ....
- https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/uttar-pradesh-20-coaches-of-goods-train-derailed-at-ddu-gaya-route-no-casualties-reported/articleshow/94341513.cms
- .....
- https://www.financialexpress.com/business/railways-ghaziabad-pandit-deen-dayal-upadhya-section-becomes-indias-longest-rail-track-with-automatic-signaling-system-all-you-need-to-know-2938401/
- .....
- https://m.timesofindia.com/city/patna/track-electrification-work-in-ecr-almost-over/articleshow/100489296.cms
- ..... Anubhavklal (talk) 16:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Per the sources and the move request above, it is not clear which might be the target, "Pt Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" or "Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" or "Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction". Please clarify. You have added three instances of this reference. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Three instances are due to mistake in editing. Does that reduce the reason for making this move?
- As per guidelines, whuchever is the common use - Pt, Pt. or Pandit - that should be used. Or whatever the consensus is.
- Currently, the article says that the official name of the station is Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction. So perhaps that will be the most common version also. I am not aware how we compute which version is more common in case of such conflicts. Perhaps more experienced editors can help. Anubhavklal (talk) 12:00, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- No it "doesn't reduce the reason for making this move", just that it is cluttered, I'm removing two. It is important to determine whether it should be "Pt, Pt. or Pandit". The railway website's [1] version "Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" should be the official one I believe. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Per the sources and the move request above, it is not clear which might be the target, "Pt Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" or "Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" or "Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction". Please clarify. You have added three instances of this reference. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose: "Mughalsarai Junction" gets me 265 hits at Google/News, while "Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" gets me 142 hits, "Pt Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" 145 hits and "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction" 90 hits, so still not the time in my opinion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Support the move. @Fylindfotberserk just normally searching is incorrect. Per WP:NAMECHANGES, only sources after the event are relevant to decide which term is more common in usage. Using your links, and adding a filter for the past one year, we get 10 results for "Mughalsarai Junction" and 39 for "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction". IMO this shows a clear shift towards the new name.The reason there is this variation between Pt, Pt. , and Pandit is because they are the same phrase. Pt. is the abbreviation of Pandit. Out of the three, Pandit seems to be the most common one.
@Anubhavklal I think the better move would be to Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction . Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 12:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, from 1 July 2018 (name changed in June 2018) to 1 July 2023 we get 166 hits for "Mughalsarai Junction" and 128 hits for "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction". Well, there is a trend but per WP:NAMECHANGES – "
..if, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well,..
". Since reliable sources still use the older name, and the usage of the new name isn't proportionally that high, I'm opposing it for being too soon. Secondly, it also depends on the name change of the city article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, from 1 July 2018 (name changed in June 2018) to 1 July 2023 we get 166 hits for "Mughalsarai Junction" and 128 hits for "Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction". Well, there is a trend but per WP:NAMECHANGES – "