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:: There are also a number of sources that are in either Belarusian or Russian, both of which I'm unable to read, but clearly it's not a non-event. |
:: There are also a number of sources that are in either Belarusian or Russian, both of which I'm unable to read, but clearly it's not a non-event. |
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:: [[User:Gbear605|Gbear605]] ([[User talk:Gbear605|talk]]) 03:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC) |
:: [[User:Gbear605|Gbear605]] ([[User talk:Gbear605|talk]]) 03:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::The mere fact that a vast number of sources repeats the same trivial observation sourced to the same single photo does not make this [[WP:DUE]]. [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 03:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Removal''' per Chetsford explanation. We need to be very careful about living people, particularly when it comes to children. {{ec}} {{sbb}} --[[User:I dream of horses|I dream of horses]] [[Special:Contribs/I dream of horses|(Contribs)]] Please [[WP:NOTIFY|notify]] me after replying off my [[User talk:I dream of horses|talk page.]] Thank you. 23:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Removal''' per Chetsford explanation. We need to be very careful about living people, particularly when it comes to children. {{ec}} {{sbb}} --[[User:I dream of horses|I dream of horses]] [[Special:Contribs/I dream of horses|(Contribs)]] Please [[WP:NOTIFY|notify]] me after replying off my [[User talk:I dream of horses|talk page.]] Thank you. 23:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Notability
Kolya Lukashenka fully meets the notability criteria and there are absolutely no reasons for deletion of the article.
I quote:
If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.
- "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
- The book-length history of IBM by Robert Sobel is plainly non-trivial coverage of IBM.
- Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton,[1] that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band.
- "Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
- "Sources"[2] should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected.[3] Sources do not have to be available online or written in English. Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability.
- "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.[4]
- "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.[5]
Czalex 07:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ Martin Walker (1992-01-06). "Tough love child of Kennedy". The Guardian.
- ^ Including but not limited to newspapers, books and e-books, magazines, television and radio documentaries, reports by government agencies, and academic journals. In the absence of multiple sources, it must be possible to verify that the source reflects a neutral point of view, is credible and provides sufficient detail for a comprehensive article.
- ^ Lack of multiple sources suggests that the topic may be more suitable for inclusion in an article on a broader topic. It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. Several journals simultaneously publishing different articles does not always constitute multiple works, especially when the authors are relying on the same sources, and merely restating the same information. Similarly, a series of publications by the same author or in the same periodical is normally counted as one source.
- ^ Works produced by the subject, or those with a strong connection to them, are unlikely to be strong evidence of notability. See also: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Questionable sources for handling of such situations.
- ^ Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; for example, directories and databases, advertisements, announcements columns, and minor news stories are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.
Should content cited to social media posts and WP:OR be removed from this article?
Should the following content be removed? Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
On 23 August, 2020, during the 2020 Belarusian protests, footage emerged of Nikolai Lukashenko at the Independence Palace in Minsk where he is shown with his father and is dressed in military uniform and is holding a gun.[1][2] Later a photograph was circulated showing Nikolai armed with an automatic rifle, sitting with his father at the cabinet table in the palace.[3][4]
- Remove Claims are cited to two Telegram text messages and the editor's WP:OR visual analysis of a photograph appearing in otherwise WP:RS (but which doesn't contain the actual information being claimed, or even mention Nikolai by name). We have strict and exacting WP:BLP standards. Original photographic analysis by editors and the use of text messages as sources don't meet those standards. Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Partially - Obviously the information sourced to Telegram messages should be removed, as should the OR, but the relevant information from the Independent should be kept. Perhaps the following passage, all of which is cited to the Independent article:
- During the 2020 Belarusian protests, Lukashenko was one of the "heavily armed bodyguards" accompanying his father, who at the time was talking to riot police and carrying an assault rifle.
- Gbear605 (talk) 23:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'd counter that pushing a one-sentence observation of when he once was walking next to his father for 30 seconds into a three paragraph biography is trivial and WP:UNDUE. Chetsford (talk) 03:07, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/09/17/protest-plagued-belarus-strongman-transfers-son-to-moscow-school-reports-a71474
More recently in August, Nikolai was filmed wearing military fatigues and toting an automatic rifle next to his father as mass anti-Lukashenko protests raged outside the presidential palace in Minsk.
- https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikloai-lukashenko-alexander-lukashenkos-gun-toting-son-15-is-being-groomed-as-belarus-king-joffrey
This week, Nikolay Lukashenko, the youngest son of the “last dictator in Europe,” came of age during the worst period of his father’s reign. With 100,000 protesters demanding Alexander Lukashenko’s resignation and free and fair elections in Minsk, the 15-year-old flew over the crowds in a helicopter, all dressed up in the tactical gear of an elite commando. Another image released by the regime showed him sitting at a table opposite his father with an automatic rifle at his side, apparently ready to defend his life.
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/alexander-lukashenko-brings-16-year-old-son-onto-frontline-protests/ (don't have quote because paywall, but what's visible is talking about this
- There are also a number of sources that are in either Belarusian or Russian, both of which I'm unable to read, but clearly it's not a non-event.
- Gbear605 (talk) 03:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Removal per Chetsford explanation. We need to be very careful about living people, particularly when it comes to children. (edit conflict) (Summoned by bot) --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)