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::: [[User talk:Kwamikagami|Kwami]] has been changing the name of the language despite repeated edits and using words like "ridiculous" and "bizarre" to describe other editors. Nobody can change the name of a language that has come down from centuries past. This [[User talk:Kwamikagami|Kwami]] has changed the name citing AFAIK arguments and challenging others to "take it to talk". He should "take it to talk". [[User talk:Kwamikagami|Kwami]]'s sole contribution to this article, which has taken years to develop, is changing its name repeatedly, and he even refuses to recognize the decision of the Government of Nepal. WP admins need to give thought to vandalism like this as it could affect credibility. When vandals can change the name of an article and language as if they are the authority on it, people may start leaving WP, so admins should have some sort of control over what is changed. [[User:Zulufive|Zulufive]] ([[User talk:Zulufive|talk]]) 11:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC) |
::: [[User talk:Kwamikagami|Kwami]] has been changing the name of the language despite repeated edits and using words like "ridiculous" and "bizarre" to describe other editors. Nobody can change the name of a language that has come down from centuries past. This [[User talk:Kwamikagami|Kwami]] has changed the name citing AFAIK arguments and challenging others to "take it to talk". He should "take it to talk". [[User talk:Kwamikagami|Kwami]]'s sole contribution to this article, which has taken years to develop, is changing its name repeatedly, and he even refuses to recognize the decision of the Government of Nepal. WP admins need to give thought to vandalism like this as it could affect credibility. When vandals can change the name of an article and language as if they are the authority on it, people may start leaving WP, so admins should have some sort of control over what is changed. [[User:Zulufive|Zulufive]] ([[User talk:Zulufive|talk]]) 11:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC) |
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== Protected for one month == |
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Following a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=618129189&oldid=618070837 message on my talk page] from an involved editor concerned about recent disputes on this article, I see that there has been both edit warring and contested page moves. It is appears that discussion on the talk page has not been taking place in collaborative atmosphere; there are repeated accusations of vandalism and bullying. |
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Per [[WP:NOTVANDAL]], I remind editors that a good-faith effort to improve Wikipedia is not vandalism. The edits may be disputed, and may in some circumstances be regarded as disruptive, but editors should be very cautious about labelling other contributions as [[WP:Vandalism|vandalism]]. |
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To stop the edit war and move war, I have [[WP:Protection policy|fully protected the page]] for one month. The protection will expire on 23 August 2014. |
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:*Start a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Newari_language&action=edit§ion=new new section] on the page, and place {{tl|Edit protected}} at the top. Then explain the changes you proposed. An admin will review the request.<br />Note that such requests are usually accepted only if the change is uncontroversial, or if there is a [[WP:Consensus|consensus]] in favour of it. |
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;To move the page while it is protected |
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:*Open a [[WP:Requested moves|Requested move]] discussion. The closing admin will determine whether there is a consensus to move the article. |
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Please note that I have no view on any of the issues which have been in dispute, and no view about whether the current or contents of the article are appropriate. See the humorous, tongue-in-cheek essay [[m:The Wrong Version]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 16:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC) |
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- No - Newa (Nepal Bhasa in this article) is the local language of the Kathmandu Valley, whereas Nepali comes from further to the west. Newa is a Sino-Tibetan language, while Nepali is an Indo-European language. BovineBeast 16:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Capitalization scheme
- Is there any rationale to the initial case of the romanizations in the list of common words and phrases? I can't see a pattern that tells me why some are capitalized and others lower-case. The devanagari spellings don't seem to differentiate. If no one explains the system or expresses a preference I'll go in eventually and make them uniform one way or t'other. --Haruo 06:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Citation needed
- The article says, "Hindi is not a mother tongue in Nepal". हो र ? According to the 1991 census (via http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_country.asp?name=Nepal), Nepal has 1,70,997 Hindi speakers. I assume they mean native speakers of Hindi; otherwise the number would be much higher. This should be clarified. 69.232.222.19 07:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Hindi is my mother tongue...Bhojpuri /awadhi/maithili are dialects of Hindi
- Thanks for the information. It must have been overlooked. It is now corrected. Hindi is very similar to Maithili, Bhojpuri and Nepali. So, people of cities esp in Terai understand it. I could not find any information on second and third language of Nepalese population. However, as far as I know, in places where there are no cable lines and Hindi channels, the comprehensibility of Hindi is low even in Terai region (however, this should not be confused with Maithili or Bhojpuri which are the dominant languages in terai). In Chure, Hills or Mountains, people almost do not understand Hindi outside cities. As you have mentioned, more than 80 percent of Nepalese population do understand Hindi by now thanks to Nepal Television's regular broadcast of Mumbai based Hindi programs (not a single program of Nepalese Hindi speakers have been telecasted in Nepal Television till date). Thanks again.--Eukesh 12:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Classical Newari
Classical Newari was redirecting to Nepal Bhasa. I've no knowledge whatsoever of Newari, either classical or modern, but since ISO 639-2 have assigned a specific code to Classical Newari, I guess it deserves a specific article. I have created the stub, and let specialists see if part(s) of the historical section of Nepal Bhasa article should be moved there.universimmedia (talk) 22:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Scholars of Newar Studies
I am trying to create some pages about scholars who have or are working in Newar studies]. I do not know much though, so please help me. So far I have done Horst_Brinkhaus and Siegfried Lienhard Tibetologist (talk) 14:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Creating new page for Writing section
The article is becoming very long and difficult to navigate. Also, the old era and new era and then again renaissance era, modern era and other eras are confusing.
I would suggest streamlining the different periods in the development of the language. And moving the Writing system section to a main page. Karrattul (talk) 10:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Sindhupalchowk Pahari?
Is this really a dialect of Nepal? This sounds... just weird. --114.132.245.65 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
The Nepals of Nepal don't speak Nepal, but Nepal
This is silly. At least provide a ref. — kwami (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Makes perfect sense. The Nepals/Newars of Nepal Mandala speak Nepal. Other examples are- the Tamils of Tamil Nadu speak Tamil, the Telugu speak Telugu, the Kannada speak Kannada, the Tulu of Tulu Nadu speak Tulu. This could go on for ever!--Eukesh (talk) 18:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Abt the name
I would like to request the users here to kindly discuss and cite relevant references before making drastic changes in the article, such as the name of the article itself. Thank you!--Eukesh (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- There is no reason to revert a good faith edit with which you disagree as "revert vandalism". Your source is unavailable and in Newari, so it's difficult to confirm. If you have a copy of the book, would you be so kind as to add a quote to the cite? Third, there's no reason to delete previous, useful information like the fact that नेवाः भाय् was the Newari pronunciation of "Nepal Bhasa" due to regular phonetic changes over time until recent governmental decree that it must be called नेपाल भाषा. You are *removing* information. Ogress smash! 14:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Ogress, thanks for the comment. First of all, lets get the facts straight. The page name was changed from "Nepal Bhasa" to "Newari" and not the other way around. The change was made without a discussion in the talk page, citing no sources and leaving no reasons. I just reverted it back to its original heading. Second, regarding my source, the name of the book itself is "The History of Nepalbhasa literature" which is published by "Nepalbhasha Academy", the regulating body of the language. So, the names themselves are proofs that the proper term is Nepal Bhasa. Also, in page 10 of the book, it gives various historical sources of the usage of name. Some of them are cited in the article itself. Regarding, removing नेवाः भाय्, it is a colloquial term, which has never been used in any publications. There is no problem replacing the term inthe page. The reason why I call it vandalism is because it was a hostile edit conflict started without any mention of intent or any discussion in either the talk page of the article or talk page of its regular editors. Also, it might not be your intent, but I can sense double standards against me when I have to explain why I was reverting the original page but no one is questioning the hostile "original" move. Thank you.--Eukesh (talk) 15:11, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- The article, in a bout of hostile edits, was moved by a user with very little contribution to the article. The user did so without any discussion in the talk page or with the editors of the page. Since the user is not responding to messages, the page has been moved to its original name (with citations). Thank you--Eukesh (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Given the majority of sources (and existing Wikipedia articles with the name in it) list the name as Nepal Bhasa, I recommend we maintain that form over Nepalbhasa, which is not the format for transliteration used. Conjunct forms like "Nepalabhasa" are restricted to Sanskrit; Modern (not to mention Apabhramsa and Prakrit) Indic languages make word divisions based on native intonation and division and, additionally, those forms are easy to read. This is an issue I deal with frequently in regards to the romanisation of Sinitic writing systems, where it also shows up as a problem. Given that, would you petition for Classical Nepalbhasa be moved to Classical Nepal Bhasa on the "requested moves" page. Also, should the bhasa be capitalised? If so, petition also for Nepal bhasa > Nepal Bhasa. If not, then petition for Classical Nepal bhasa. I will support your requests if you tag me as the undivided terms are problematic.
- Thanks for the comment. Well, Nepal Bhasa (or Nepalbhasa) is a unique case in that it is not an Apabhramsa or Prakrit, but a Sino-Tibetan language with heavy burrowing from Sanskrit and Pali. So, I am not sure if the rules of Apabhramsa apply to it. Like I mentioned earlier, the Academy uses both Nepalbhasa and Nepal Bhasa. I can see your point, though. Where do I make the petition?--Eukesh (talk) 14:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
The clear majority of my sources call it "Newari". "Nepal Bhasa" is the Gorkha name, not the autonym. That's fine, if it's come to predominate in English, but that would require demonstration. The common English name is certainly not "Nepal", "Nepalbhasa", "abcdefg", or any of the other ridiculous names Eukesh has moved it to.
The classical language is a separate issue. It could well be that Nepal Bhasa is used for one and Newari for the other. As usual, we follow the preponderance of sources. — kwami (talk) 05:56, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
- Kwami, cite your sources. Do not lie. Nepal Bhasa is not a Gorkha name, its a native name. Are you not following the discussion at all? The term Newari is a pejorative term, a fact that is cited in the article. Please stop your bullying. I can clearly see why people are leaving wikipedia. --Eukesh (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
- Kwami has been changing the name of the language despite repeated edits and using words like "ridiculous" and "bizarre" to describe other editors. Nobody can change the name of a language that has come down from centuries past. This Kwami has changed the name citing AFAIK arguments and challenging others to "take it to talk". He should "take it to talk". Kwami's sole contribution to this article, which has taken years to develop, is changing its name repeatedly, and he even refuses to recognize the decision of the Government of Nepal. WP admins need to give thought to vandalism like this as it could affect credibility. When vandals can change the name of an article and language as if they are the authority on it, people may start leaving WP, so admins should have some sort of control over what is changed. Zulufive (talk) 11:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Protected for one month
Following a message on my talk page from an involved editor concerned about recent disputes on this article, I see that there has been both edit warring and contested page moves. It is appears that discussion on the talk page has not been taking place in collaborative atmosphere; there are repeated accusations of vandalism and bullying.
Per WP:NOTVANDAL, I remind editors that a good-faith effort to improve Wikipedia is not vandalism. The edits may be disputed, and may in some circumstances be regarded as disruptive, but editors should be very cautious about labelling other contributions as vandalism.
To stop the edit war and move war, I have fully protected the page for one month. The protection will expire on 23 August 2014.
- To edit this article while it is protected
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- Start a on the page, and place {{Edit protected}} at the top. Then explain the changes you proposed. An admin will review the request.
Note that such requests are usually accepted only if the change is uncontroversial, or if there is a consensus in favour of it.
- Start a on the page, and place {{Edit protected}} at the top. Then explain the changes you proposed. An admin will review the request.
- To move the page while it is protected
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- Open a Requested move discussion. The closing admin will determine whether there is a consensus to move the article.
Please note that I have no view on any of the issues which have been in dispute, and no view about whether the current or contents of the article are appropriate. See the humorous, tongue-in-cheek essay m:The Wrong Version. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)