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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2018 == |
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the article says Nazis are far right, change to talking about national socialism. saying they're far right is very subjective and may be even misleading to the reader. [[Special:Contributions/173.180.44.236|173.180.44.236]] ([[User talk:173.180.44.236|talk]]) 17:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC) |
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: [[The Boys are Back in Town]]. [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 17:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:: [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[Talk:Nazi_Party/FAQ|FAQ]] [[User:Byteflush|<b style="font-family:courier;box-shadow:2px 1px 4px #aaa;border:1px solid #ccc;padding:0 6px;background:linear-gradient(#fff,#ddd);color:#476;border-radius:6px">byteflush</b>]] <sub style="margin:0 2px">[[User talk:Byteflush|Talk]]</sub> 18:02, 6 June 2018 (UTC) |
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== Nazi Party "Far-Right" Allegation == |
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{{hat|Please read the [[Talk:Nazi_Party/FAQ|FAQ]]. Disruptions from [[WP:SOCK|sock]] accounts.}} |
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The main article of the Nazi Party describes the Nazi Party (National Socialist Workers' Party) as "Far-Right". This claim is blatantly false. People generally associate nationalism, racism, fascism, and Nazism with the right. However, when diving into the actual policies of the Nazi Party, it is clear that the party is Far-Left. We shouldn't allow sources to associate extreme authoritarianism and racism to the right without any basis. Throughout history, particularly modern history, the most infamous authoritarian and racist regimes are more attributed to far-left policies. Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Mussolini were far-left figures. |
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:You should read Mein Kampf to understand what Hitler really believed. He talks about his opposition to centrism and the far left. Left is opposition to the old government and in support of change and progress. Right is support for restoring the traditional ways of a nation. Hitler, and the National Socialist movement was on the far-right, though many far-left figures had policies that resulted in millions of deaths also. |
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Policies of the Nazi Party: |
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·Promised employment to all by increasing the state |
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·Not allowing wages to rise with prices |
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·Free daycare |
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·National healthcare |
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·80% tax |
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·Strict gun control |
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·Pro-Abortion policies |
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·Socialism |
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The policies of the Nazi Party express radical Far-Left views. Increasing control of the government, implementing socialism, high taxes, free healthcare, and pro-abortion policies are all left-wing policies. Whenever you hear someone say that the Nazi Party was Far-Right, it's never followed up by actual examples of a right-wing policy that was perpetrated by the Nazi Party. |
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This article is not meant to be a hit piece on left-wing policies or political figures. It is absolutely okay to be left-wing, and its absolutely okay the be right-wing. There are examples of extremism on both ends of the spectrum. However, to throw an authoritarian regime that constantly imposed a left-wing ideology on the right without factual basis is totally false. |
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<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:3LIP5i55|3LIP5i55]] ([[User talk:3LIP5i55#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/3LIP5i55|contribs]]) 14:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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:Policy says that we should use the facts presented in reliable sources, and we cannot analyze information and draw our own conclusions. Incidentally, Nazi Germany introduced the death penalty for abortions and cut taxes. Health care was introduced by the Conservative Party of Germany decades before the Nazis came to power. [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 14:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:: Without citing reliable sources, it's waste of our (and your) time.--[[User:Nillurcheier|Nillurcheier]] ([[User talk:Nillurcheier|talk]]) 14:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC) |
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No, Adolf Hitler liberalized abortion for both Aryan and non-Aryan women. However, in the later years of the Reich in 1943, the government introduced the death penalty for Aryan women wanting to get an abortion. Acceptions could be made if the fetus was deformed or a threat to the mother's health. Yes, Germany had healthcare before the Nazi party, however, the Nazi party still supported national healthcare on a wide scale. The discussion is about whether the Nazis supported left-wing ideas, not if they implemented it. The Nazi Party greatly raised taxes. If you were a citizen of a conquered country by the Germans, you could be taxed at 100%. During war times for German citizens, your tax was 50%. Nazi Germany was a socialist state. |
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If the Nazis were "far-Right" like the article claims, there would be no abortions, little to no gun control, lower taxes, and little to no government health care. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:3LIP5i55|3LIP5i55]] ([[User talk:3LIP5i55#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/3LIP5i55|contribs]]) </small> |
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:You seem to be quite certain that you are right. But it doesn’t really matter: you need to cite reliable sources for your claims. Rgds [[User:Torana|<span style="color:black">'''✦'''</span>]] <sub>[[User Talk:Torana|<span style="color:grey">hugarheimur</span>]]</sub> 19:21, 8 June 2018 (UTC) |
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::Enough User:3LIP5i55; this has been discussed numerous times herein; see archives. The "frequency asked questions" section addresses the political "labeling" and the article addresses all this with [[WP:RS]] cites. We must go by the RS sources, our opinion is [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Kierzek|Kierzek]] ([[User talk:Kierzek|talk]]) 19:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:::In some organizations new recruits get to stand in the hallway and guard the meeting room door for a year. In others they have to go to wikipedia and demand that the Nazis were a left wing organization. Recruiting seems to be going pretty well these days. [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 20:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC) |
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::::On my watchlist I saw, "Talk:Nazi Party", followed by a [[red linked user]] and made myself a bet. I won. [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 21:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::However I do think wikipedia needs an article, [[List of [[red linked editors]] claiming that the Nazi Party is (was?) a leftist organization]]. [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 21:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC) |
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Nazi as lefties |
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If you think that the Nazi Party is a socialist party, please sign up here. |
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Let me get the list started. If I have misrepresented anyone, I apologize in advance. |
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* [[User:AusarDeathless|AusarDeathless]] - contributions to 1 article. This one |
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* [[User:3LIP5i55|3LIP5i55 ]] - contributions to 1 article. This one |
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* [[User:Jesus Saves Our Sins|Jesus Saves Our Sins]] - contributions to 1 article. This one |
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* [[User:Lylewash|Lylewash]] - contributions to 1 article. This one. |
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* [[User:Annoloki|Annoloki]] - contributions to 1 article. This one |
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* [[User:TLD1965|TLD1965]] - - contributions to 1 article. This one |
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* [[User:Zaniack|Zaniack]] - contributions to 6 articles. |
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* [[User:Anticommunistcrusader|Anticommunistcrusader]] - contributions to 2 articles. Mostly this one |
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* [[User:Johncalvinhall|from the Study of: John Calvin Hall]] - contributions to 2 articles. Mostly this one |
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* [[User:Dsteakley|Dsteakley]] |
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* [[User:Sunamer|Sunamer]] |
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* [[User:Pietric Learning Stone|Pietric Learning Stone]] |
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* [[User:Flyingpenguin74|Flyingpenguin74]] |
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* [[User:Rancoridge333|Rancoridge333]] |
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* [[User:AWinter|AWinter]] |
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* [[User:SocialistFever|SocialistFever]] |
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Hmmmm. So why do you suppose that there are only [[red linked editors]] on the list? Oh, Reds. A communist plot? [[User:Carptrash|Carptrash]] ([[User talk:Carptrash|talk]]) 02:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC) |
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So what were the right-wing parties and organizations of interwar Germany? The NSDAP gained popularity at the expense of Germany's other right-wing parties in the early 1930's. The German People's Party, German National People's Party, and most splinter right-wing parties saw almost all of their support transfer to the Nazis. |
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See for yourself: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/German_parliamentary_elections_weimar.png |
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That link has the best illustrations of every German federal election after the war. Yeah, I'm sorry it's in German, but it shows the highest voted party in each state and the total percentage of the vote each major party received. I share it to plainly show how the Nazi Party consumed the German Right in the early 1930's. Look up the voting results for yourself if you aren't convinced. |
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If you want a clear and concise online source for the interwar politics of Germany, then I'll direct you to the modern German federal parliament's links about the topic. |
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This one has brief descriptions of all the major political parties: https://www.bundestag.de/blob/189776/01b7ea57531a60126da86e2d5c5dbb78/parties_weimar_republic-data.pdf |
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This one is an overview of the Weimar era: https://www.bundestag.de/en/parliament/history/parliamentarism/weimar |
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And this one is an overview of the Nazi years: https://www.bundestag.de/en/parliament/history/parliamentarism/third_reich/third_reich/200358 <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zaniack|Zaniack]] ([[User talk:Zaniack#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zaniack|contribs]]) 20:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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