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*'''Oppose''' Google, google books and google news (all done with US version to try to avoid regional bias) all suggest that the South African road is equally notable. Google hits aren't everything but there's also the fact that the South African road is about 600km long and connects the two largest cities in South Africa and taken together this convinces me that there is no primary topic. [[User:Dpmuk|Dpmuk]] ([[User talk:Dpmuk|talk]]) 09:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' Google, google books and google news (all done with US version to try to avoid regional bias) all suggest that the South African road is equally notable. Google hits aren't everything but there's also the fact that the South African road is about 600km long and connects the two largest cities in South Africa and taken together this convinces me that there is no primary topic. [[User:Dpmuk|Dpmuk]] ([[User talk:Dpmuk|talk]]) 09:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC) |
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::N3 was the primary location until it was changed without consultation; I have suggested restoring primacy. You (UK editor?) might "regard this as edit warring" but you wouldn't think the mass move of N3 links to N3 (Ireland) '''after ''' I made the proposed move was? No? Can I strongly suggest that YOU don't start edit warring on the series of Irish roads articles? [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 10:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC) |
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The name
M3? N3? Which is it? There's no explanation on the changing terminology in this article. --Jfruh 17:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
The N3 road is being extended to become the M3 motorway.
I think the article is reasonably clear, the first sentence refers to the N3 as being a national primary route. In the nomenclature of Irish roads, this gives it the N prefix. It then goes on to say that the route would become the "M3 motorway", the change from N to M reflects this change from "National Primary" to "Motorway".
- It's worse than that. The overall route remains a National Primary Route, regardless of Motorway designations on parts or all of it. Even the M50 motorway around Dublin (which was only ever built as Motorway) was legislated for as the N50.
- The Roads in Ireland article deals with the broader topic however. For this article it suffices to discuss the N3 road (as it is entirely designated as present) and refer to the upgrade/bypass of part of the route to become the M3 motorway (which will on road signage displace some existing N3 signage).
Stub?
I'm taking out the stub marker. It's only a road, so how much more do we need before it becomes an article? If anybody disagrees, feel free to put it back in. jlang 12:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I think this article needs some revision as it is biased against the routing of the M3 motorway and does not discuss the economic and social impact of not having proper motorway infrastructure through this part of Meath.
- The article doesn't/didn't argue against the need to have a motorway, and I think it's unnecessary that it provides arguments in favour. This is specifically about the *route* chosen, i.e. through and not around the valley. zoney ♣ talk 22:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- Not sure what point you're making. Should the pros and cons be deleted? Signor Eclectic 22:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Sources needed
Verifiable sources are needed if statements relating to route congestion are to be retained. Ferg2k 05:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps they'd be nice, but a trip to the N3 any weekday morning is enough to verify the statement. It is a fact that the route is narrow winding country road from Meath to the start of the Clonee bypass dual carriageway. Hence why the M3 is planned, and is going to be built in spite of objections, it being close to Hill of Tara, etc. In 2001 traffic regularly built up (i.e. actual jam, not just heavy traffic) from the Clonee bypass to the M50 junction; several kilometers of two lane dual carriageway. It would be worse now in 2006.
- I'm removing the template but leaving the citation needed bits. The facts are not in question, though references for them would of course be good.
- zoney ♣ talk 14:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Added the main pertinent reference for the sake of completeness. It's not exactly in question though; it's sucking life from several thousand people in Meath right now, and as I said, you can go take a gawk and laugh at the trapped cars if you really wish. The N3 from Clonee to Meath has not been the subject of any significant previous upgrades - it does not even have hard shoulders for most of the route. The EIS at least states this in the observation of the current situation. zoney ♣ talk 14:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
The section relating to the election and how the people of meath " voted for the motorway" is argueable at best and in reality a complete lie, the people of meath voted on many issues, tara been just one of them. - ken —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.155.189.88 (talk) 01:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah. If the vote had gone any other way the "ruin worshipers" would have been broadcasting the result to the World! Sarah777 (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
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Requested move
N3 road (Ireland) → N3 road — This is a procedural notification of a move request, following a msg on my talk page from Sarah777 (talk · contribs) who wants to move the page. I have listed the move here so that the proposed move can be discussed and a consensus sought before any changes are made. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- I notice you have also made the move more difficult by changing dozens of links from N3 road to N3 road (Ireland) - while this is clearly under discussion. Perhaps you'd like to share your reasoning on this? The existence of all those N3 links relates to the fact that this was the primary location for the article untill it was moved, without discussion, without consultation by someone. I am restoring the status quo at 21:00 and I assume you'll fix all the links you are now breaking? Sarah777 (talk) 09:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Can I strongly suggest you don't move things back as I'd and probably many others would consider this edit warring. As far as I can see the article was stable at N3 road (Ireland) for over a year from July 2008 to quite recently and so I'd consider this the stable position by length of time it'd been there. You then moved it back to N3 road, which you were quite entitled to do, but this move was then reverted. At this point is should have been obvious that the move was non-contreversial and you should not have moved the page again and started a requested move instead. I'll also note that this move was after I'd informed you that I consider all such moves contreversial so I find it even more amazing that you thought it OK to move it again. You did move the page and I'd consider that a minor case of edit warring. Therefore I have no problem with BrownHairedGirl reverting back to the stable position as in my opinion you shouldn't have made that move. I'd certainly consider another move inappropiate and ask you to refrain from such a move. No matter what your views is it the end of the world if the article is at this location for a week while it is discussed. Dpmuk (talk) 09:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Google, google books and google news (all done with US version to try to avoid regional bias) all suggest that the South African road is equally notable. Google hits aren't everything but there's also the fact that the South African road is about 600km long and connects the two largest cities in South Africa and taken together this convinces me that there is no primary topic. Dpmuk (talk) 09:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- N3 was the primary location until it was changed without consultation; I have suggested restoring primacy. You (UK editor?) might "regard this as edit warring" but you wouldn't think the mass move of N3 links to N3 (Ireland) after I made the proposed move was? No? Can I strongly suggest that YOU don't start edit warring on the series of Irish roads articles? Sarah777 (talk) 10:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)