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::::It is best to print the truth, not to suppress the truth. If <insert name of other presidential candidate here> had offered Seth a job on the day he was murdered, and his parents had told the public and it was published in a newspaper, it would be in this article. No one from either political persuasion would object. Tell the truth in the article. Then we can all go our separate ways. Learn the lesson from the Lee Oswald disaster, don't create another one.[[User:StreetSign|StreetSign]] ([[User talk:StreetSign|talk]]) 20:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC) |
::::It is best to print the truth, not to suppress the truth. If <insert name of other presidential candidate here> had offered Seth a job on the day he was murdered, and his parents had told the public and it was published in a newspaper, it would be in this article. No one from either political persuasion would object. Tell the truth in the article. Then we can all go our separate ways. Learn the lesson from the Lee Oswald disaster, don't create another one.[[User:StreetSign|StreetSign]] ([[User talk:StreetSign|talk]]) 20:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC) |
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::To provide justification and documentation for including the truth about the job offer from the Clinton Presidential Campaign to Seth Rich, I remind editors that his parents informed The Washington Post "On the day he was murdered, Seth was excited about a new job he had been offered on Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign." and continued "To those who sincerely want to get to the bottom of Seth’s murder, we don’t hold this against you." |
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reference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.c5b01406666e |
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and this fact was then reported on CNN "Before Rich died, he had been offered a new job on Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign" |
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reference: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/us/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-theories/index.html |
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The post to this Talk page by MjolnirPants on 20:14, 21 February 2018 is in particularly bad taste in a discussion of the Seth Rich Murder, since his post deliberately contains a link to a photo of a dead horse in the middle of the street. |
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[[User:StreetSign|StreetSign]] ([[User talk:StreetSign|talk]]) 20:53, 3 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== Update on the Wheeler lawsuit == |
== Update on the Wheeler lawsuit == |
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The Wheeler lawsuit is now going through the courts: https://www.courthousenews.com/fox-news-fights-defamation-claim-over-seth-rich-story/ |
The Wheeler lawsuit is now going through the courts: https://www.courthousenews.com/fox-news-fights-defamation-claim-over-seth-rich-story/ |
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Once a ruling is decided, the article should be updated. <em><sup>[[User:FallingGravity|Falling]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:FallingGravity|Gravity]]</sub></em> 02:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC) |
Once a ruling is decided, the article should be updated. <em><sup>[[User:FallingGravity|Falling]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:FallingGravity|Gravity]]</sub></em> 02:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC) |
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General Political Bias in the Article to Discount Speculations are ill advised
The article tries very hard to paint any speculation that Seth Rich had involvement with the DNC email leaks as sociopathic or conspiracy theories that it uses very illogical assumptions. While it is true we don't know who killed Seth Rich the police cannot debunk the theories by stating it was a botched robbery. He was shot in the back indicating he never saw his attacker and several items of value and a wallet full of money were left on the scene. Since no one saw the murder or anyone fleeing the scene this is unlikely. Certainly this does not rule out the speculations. The article states Assange "fueled speculations" by his involvement. It fails to mention that the "involvement" was a $20,000 US reward. It is very difficult to believe Assange who gave the award within a month of his death would do so if he did not have any involvement. The article also mentions fact checkers, all known left wing activist sites, debunking the theories because their is no hard evidence to support them. A hypothesis is not debunked until evidence is shown to reject it. Having hot done this they cannot be stated to have debunked anything and only reiterati9ng what we all know. We don't know what happened. The article also tries to state Rich cannot have done this because he was only a programmer and not a hacker. Number one both roles require extensive programming skills. Second most hackers don't advertise that skill so how do we know Rich was not. Lastly and most important one does not need to be a hacker to download emails from an archived file. All one needs is proper administrative access which Rich working for the DNC may have had or knew people who did and could have acce4ssed and copied the information through legitimate accounts. If he was involved this is most likely. Assange's unwillingness to declare Rich's involvement but willingness to spend @20 grand to reveal his killer to the world is indicative this could be the case. This scenario is likely and possible and no one is a sociopath for considering it. Rather I would state the sociopoaths are the people, to protect their own left wing political party are trying to silence this. Lastly the article announces as proven fact that Russians were involved. Why? this narrative invented by Hillary Clinton's dirty tricks team from the Fusion GPS memo is tired by now. It has not shown evidence of anything and has been used to justify illegally obtained FISA warrants to spy on private American citizens just for being members of Trump's campaign. This is silly and certainly the speculation that Rich's death was something to do with the DNC is a more plausible allegation. In the end we don't know and you can say that but quit trying to dictate to people what they are allowed to think. It is crass and arrogant! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.36.184.224 (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2018
where are the evidence of saying bots spread the information? just because you have 100 twitter accounts with no profile does not mean you are a bot, just that you like annonymity, like how this ip will claim in from sweden... 81.234.198.202 (talk) 10:59, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- Before asked for an edit, unless it is uncontroversial, you need to get support for it. You may set up a new discussion thread for that. However, note that this article merely reports what reliable sources say, which is that automated bots were used. Whether or not that is true is not a question that we can determine, unless there are reliable sources that refute it. TFD (talk) 12:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
The Job Offer from the Hillary Clinton Campaign?
see WP:THETRUTH and WP:SNOW. There's no chance in hell this gets anywhere, and the arguments have degenerated into conspiracy theories by this point. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC) |
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This article does not contain the fact that Seth Rich was offered a job by the Hillary Clinton Campaign just days before he was killed. It should. There are reports that Seth Rich supported Bernie Sanders, so that would be a significant change. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.c5b01406666e "Our beloved son Seth Rich was gunned down in the early hours of July 10, 2016, in his Washington, D.C., neighborhood of Bloomingdale. On the day he was murdered, Seth was excited about a new job he had been offered on Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Seth had dedicated his life to public service, and he told us that he wanted to work on the campaign’s effort to expand voter participation because he loved our country dearly and believed deeply in the promise of democratic engagement. Seth had been walking around, calling friends, family and his girlfriend, pondering the broader picture of what the job change would mean." (It was during this walking around and calling friends that he was killed) How was the job offer communicated to Seth Rich? Was it in writing? What was the date of the offer? Who made the job offer? StreetSign (talk) 20:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I continue to think it's best to hat this kind of disruptive edit when it first appears rather than give air time and waste editor resources. It was obvious where this thread was headed and I see no reason hard-working volunteer editors should play the willing victims or accomplices where article improvement is not in prospect. Especially on articles like this where there's a long history of such disruption. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't see it. SPECIFICO talk 14:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
StreetSign (talk) 20:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
This is the proposed change (to the third paragraph): "Rich's parents revealed that he had recently received a job offer from the Clinton campaign, and then condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son's death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists "disgusting sociopaths"." StreetSign (talk) 16:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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- To provide justification and documentation for including the truth about the job offer from the Clinton Presidential Campaign to Seth Rich, I remind editors that his parents informed The Washington Post "On the day he was murdered, Seth was excited about a new job he had been offered on Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign." and continued "To those who sincerely want to get to the bottom of Seth’s murder, we don’t hold this against you."
reference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.c5b01406666e and this fact was then reported on CNN "Before Rich died, he had been offered a new job on Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign" reference: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/us/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-theories/index.html The post to this Talk page by MjolnirPants on 20:14, 21 February 2018 is in particularly bad taste in a discussion of the Seth Rich Murder, since his post deliberately contains a link to a photo of a dead horse in the middle of the street. StreetSign (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Update on the Wheeler lawsuit
The Wheeler lawsuit is now going through the courts: https://www.courthousenews.com/fox-news-fights-defamation-claim-over-seth-rich-story/
Once a ruling is decided, the article should be updated. FallingGravity 02:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)