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|3=https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/10/the-legal-battle-over-who-really-created-mortal-kombat/ |
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|4=https://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-fights-mortal-kombat-ii-source-code-leak-230109/ |
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|5=https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/09/fans-are-porting-mortal-kombat-ii-to-3do |
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==Comments== |
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*CAST - The "Philip Ahn" Listed on the cast section as Shang Tsung is so clearly NOT HIM, the name is close but its not the same person linked <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.196.11.130|190.196.11.130]] ([[User talk:190.196.11.130|talk]]) 13:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* General: I got here looking for mk2. There is no disambiguation page, and there are lots of things 'mk2' <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/200.118.63.88|200.118.63.88]] ([[User talk:200.118.63.88|talk]]) 17:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* "(Shokan warrior and ''cheap'' sub-boss)" imo the cheap should be cut, looks biased? ([[User:Clemmy|clem]] 17:41, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)) |
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*Easter Eggs - I just moved these from the MKI page, where they seemed a little out of place. Could probably use extensive reformatting. |
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[[User:Virogtheconq|Virog]] - 15 Sept 2005 |
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*Tricks to try - Are those pictures really necessary? People want to look at basic pictures of the gameplay not glitches and other unnecessary images. That's just my opinion though. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] - 3 Oct 2005 |
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*What is the "?" box? |
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:It is to represent the fight against hidden character Jade. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 03:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Stop adding Skarlet to the character list == |
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Wikipedia concerns information that is based on fact, not assumptions or rumors. Skarlet has never been proven to exist in ''MKII'' or ANY MK game for that matter, so stop adding "her". She is already covered in the [[Minor Mortal Kombat characters]] article, so she has no place on this page unless someone wants to briefly mention her in the trivia section as a rumored glitch character. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 05:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC) |
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I think the so called Skarlet is just Mileena's recolor. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lesser Shadow|Lesser Shadow]] ([[User talk:Lesser Shadow|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lesser Shadow|contribs]]) 01:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Fergality == |
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Someone should add an easter egg about the fergalty on the sega version. |
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:Fergality has been added. Would like to know what part needs a citation as per [[User:The Haunted Angel|The Haunted Angel's]] recommendation. [[User:StriderSkorpion|StriderSkorpion]] 04:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::Nevermind about the citation, as [[User:Sonicrazy|Sonicrazy]] took care of it. [[User:StriderSkorpion|StriderSkorpion]] 05:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Shawn Moves == |
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Back when I used to play this on an arcade box (oh so long ago), I saw a repairman look at some kind of service application which listed various counts of things that had happend (number of fatalities, etc.) One of these was a list of "Shawn Moves" that had been performed. Never did find out what these were. Does anyone know? [[User:80.246.32.32|80.246.32.32]] 14:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC) |
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You mean "Shawn Attacks". And I have no idea what that means. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 19:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:Ah, "Shawn Attacks". Rumor has it that "Shawn" was a secret character with fire moves, like Blaze. Of course, this is fake. --[[User:Dekabreak101|Dekabreak101]] 16:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== Amiga version == |
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I've added some information about the Amiga version. I had initially started this as an entry in the "Trivia" heading, but it grew and grew, and as such I have expanded it into its own section. The Amiga version is arguably the most troubled, buggy port of the game and I felt this deserved some coverage. |
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I also briefly mentioned an equally buggy port of another Midway-developed beat 'em up, themed around prewhistoric animals (dinosaurs mainly, although there was a giant gorilla in it, I believe). Anyone remember the name of that game? |
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Cheers. --[[User:Squirminator2k|Squirminator2k]] 15:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC) |
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That would be [[Primal Rage]], which was actually done by Atari. It was ported to the Mega Drive\Genesis by Probe who is also responsible for the MK1 and MK2 Mega Drive\Genesis ports. [[User:69.149.223.221|69.149.223.221]] 09:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC) |
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==Bios== |
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Please delete that section, it is not necessary. Name the characters, but don't create a redundant list. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 22:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Thats a good point, there's no reason to have a large list on an encyloepedia entry - especially since EACH of these characters also has thier own wiki entries! Also, the 'tricks to try' section is TOTALLY uncalled for... this isn't a game hints/secrets page! |
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:Why? I say no, it is an important part of a game.. ^ Use the sign button on top next time...--[[User:69.86.216.147|69.86.216.147]] 22:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC) |
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==Ports info== |
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Does anyone want to add in the other port developers? I already added the SNES and Genesis developers after the picture captions... but unfortunetly I don't know any of the other ones. Also, even if the GG and Master System ones look similar, are they technically considered the same versions? |
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Also, if you want to get techinical, is the original version even a port to begin with? Semantics abound. |
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[[User:207.172.52.41|207.172.52.41]] 17:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Sorry, but this article is terrible! == |
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Instead of concentrating on all of the Easter Eggs in the fucking game, let's concentrate more on the gameplay and differences in the game's ports. Still images for each port of the game DO NOT make up for a "Port" section in the article. But to be honest, I think the whole article would benefit from being completed erased and written from scratch. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 03:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC) |
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- What is wrong with Easter Eggs? You don't like DVD commentaries, do you? People come here for more than pure facts. They wants rumors, trivia, secret info, etc. Don't assume we just want stats and history. *MeridianiGusev* <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeridianiGusev|MeridianiGusev]] ([[User talk:MeridianiGusev|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeridianiGusev|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:DVDs are not Wikipedia articles. [[User:EVula|EVula]] 18:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC) |
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- You should have seen it a month ago, it was twice as long with the only stuff being character infos and arenas. Anyway, I think the stuff I added about the gameplay is enough considering that this is a Wiki article and not supposed to be greatly in depth. If you want to add stuff about the ports (and take out those stupid Easter Eggs things, I agree with you about) please do that. I currently only have the SNES version and haven't played the PSX, GG, etc. |
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:Maybe you should take your complaints to the talk page of [[Wikipedia: WikiProject Mortal Kombat|Mortal Kombat WikiProject ]] and see what they think. -[[User:SaturnYoshi|SaturnYoshi]] 19:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::Why was the arena section removed? Just because that crappy "List of Mortal Kombat Arenas" article was created shouldn't mean that any mention of the arenas in this article (or any MK article) should be removed. That would be like removing any mention of the characters in this game's article because each character has its own article on Wikipedia. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 00:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Frankly, all of the ''MK'' game articles are of rather poor quality. I suggest we create a unified structure for the games on the WikiProject and rewrite them from scratch using that template. The biggest problem I see is too many lists and not enough prose, though I agree that the Easter Egg section needs to be heavily edited (though it ''is'' notable with regards to the remainder of the series). [[User:Virogtheconq|Virogtheconq]] 00:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:I'd be more than happy to help out with and/or support such an effort. As it is, I've been striving for consistency amongst the character pages, though the games weren't far from my thoughts. [[User:EVula|EVula]] 05:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::There is supposed to be a game cheat section on this site. I would think that the info could be added there. Although I think some tricks kinda are noteworthy, but you can still find that info on many other sites.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::The end result of some cheats may be noteworthy, but [[WP:NOT#IINFO|Wikipedia policy]] is against having articles written as game guides. Adding a "cheat section" to this article would count as game guide material. [[User:RobWill80|RobWill80]] 13:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== I added a soundtrack section == |
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Post your thoughts here before removing or bastardizing it. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 05:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:It seems adequate, though I think ''Audio'' is probably a better title than ''Soundtrack'', given that the sound system information really isn't a "soundtrack" in the usual sense. [[User:Virogtheconq|Virogtheconq]] 21:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Agreed. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 05:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
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==Take away the playstation port== |
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The playstation port is not true and is just a rumor.There never was a playstation port anywhere let alone Japan(Mortal Kombat is an american originating game)Whoever continues putting the PS paart back stop it it was just a rumor it does not exist! |
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[[User:Parralax|Parralax]] 23:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:See my latest edit summary as well as RobWill's edits. ≈ '''[[User:The Haunted Angel|<span style="color:indigo;">The Haunted Angel</span>]]''' <sup>([[User talk:The Haunted Angel|The Forest Whispers My Name]])</sup> 22:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::The PSX port does exist. Just because it wasn't released in another country doesn't mean it doesn't exist.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::It's Japan-only, and is actually very accurate compared whit other ports.[[User:Master Bigode|Master Bigode]] 01:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Aww!! Japan only?? Damn!! And I was so sure it was available for PS1 down here in Aus... :( [[User:Mkrox|Mkrox]] ([[User talk:Mkrox|talk]]) 06:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC) |
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== Criticism section == |
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I don't think this section is necessary. The 2D MKs are notable for their cheap CPU opponents and I think this should be mentioned on the main article about Mortal Kombat instead of on this page. [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 04:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:I have always hated that section, in alot of pages. Usually it gets filled with hatred filled comments, written in an un-encycolpedic way.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Should we trash it? [[User:Buzda|Buzda]] 03:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:The criticism section is only for game critiques to say about MKII. I think we should trash it.--[[User:Dekabreak101|Dekabreak101]] 16:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:Maybe that should be noted on the main article, but it could also be touched on briefly here.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 19:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== Canon == |
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This flag is also on the Shaolin Monks page. I think there should be some reference on either page as to which is the true canon. Fanatics of MK2 writting that this game IS canon don't count.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 02:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:I've renamed the title of your discussion to match the one given in your dispute tag. Perhaps this should be redirected to the discussion at the ''Shaolin Monks'' talk page ([[Talk:Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks#Canon|here]]), since two discussions on the same subject would be unnecessary. [[User:RobWill80|RobWill80]] 13:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::I think it's fairly obvious that ''Mortal Kombat II'' is canon. The question is if ''Shaolin Monks'' is canon, which basically retcons much of ''MKII''. However, ''Monks'' could not replace ''MKII'' on its own. [[User:MarphyBlack|MarphyBlack]] 10:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I think it is also, but calling one canon over another is a strong statement, which should have some kinda sitation. Or you can go the non bias way and say canon of MKSM is challenged at the moment.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 20:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== MKII SNES rare version? == |
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Looks very fictious the "rare" version. Anyone has this version? I removed it, until we get proof(or there is?). |
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*Some of the SNES versions of Mortal Kombat II had the fighters names' in the lifebar other than outside and underneath it, finding this cartridge version is extremely rare. |
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--[[User:Dekabreak101|Dekabreak101]] 22:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC) |
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I got all the known dumps of the game and I don't see that in any of them. It's speculation only.--[[User:Iamstillhiro1112|Iamstillhiro1112]] 21:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:There are rumors about this version in my area. Maybe it really existed.[[User:Master Bigode|Master Bigode]] 01:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Added taglines == |
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I want to add taglines to the article, because also the video game articles (as well as the film articles) should be have its taglines. --[[User:David Pro|David Pro]] 18:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC) |
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==Fair use rationale for Image:Mk2cred-10.png== |
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'''[[:Image:Mk2cred-10.png]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]]. |
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Please go to [[:Image:Mk2cred-10.png|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. |
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If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Missing rationale2 -->[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 00:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Saturn version? == |
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I find it strange that there is no mention of the Sega Saturn version of MKII, which was a lot more common than the PS1 game. |
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Yeah, we need to put that in. |
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== Rumors and Urban legends == |
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How about adding a section that covers all the rumors since there were a lot of them in this game? Does anybody have any good sources for the rumors? I think that would make the article more interesting. |
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== What about hardware peripherals? == |
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Shouldn't we add a page about the hardware the arcade game ran on? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Radicalfaith360|Radicalfaith360]] ([[User talk:Radicalfaith360|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Radicalfaith360|contribs]]) 23:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== MK3 Toasty popup == |
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I've added a new screenshot, below the MK2 toasty image, with the MK3 version. Enjoy! [[User:Andreskrey|Andreskrey]] ([[User talk:Andreskrey|talk]]) 21:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC) |
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==Sub-Zero== |
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Isn't the Sub-Zero in this game a different character to the original one in [[Mortal Kombat (video game)|Mortal Kombat]]? So why is he in the returning characters' sub-section when, technically, he should be in the new characters' sub-section? It's not as if the second Sub-Zero ever appeared in a previous Mortal Kombat game. 15:20, 6 January 2008 |
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==GA nomination== |
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{{GAReview}} [[User:David Pro|David Pro]] ([[User talk:David Pro|talk]]) 20:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC) |
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*It covers all the versions. |
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**{{tick}} Done. |
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*Mentions info about the soundtrack album. |
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**{{tick}} Done. |
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*There isn't edit waring. |
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**{{tick}} Done. |
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*Also has info about the hacks. |
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**{{tick}} Done. |
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*Mentions some easter eggs in the game. |
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**{{tick}} Done. |
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*Each character has their respective link. |
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**{{tick}} Done. |
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Good, I'm happy to pass it to GA now, well done. [[User:David Pro|David Pro]] ([[User talk:David Pro|talk]]) 20:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC) |
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===Reply=== |
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I’m removed this article’s purported GA status, as it was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mortal_Kombat_II&diff=prev&oldid=183477232 reviewed] by its [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mortal_Kombat_II&diff=prev&oldid=183470853 nominator] – a violation of policy. Article is in violation of almost all [[WP:GA?|GA criteria]]. A very cursory glance reveals the following: |
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*1. Lead does not summarize article per [[WP:LEAD]], numerous grammar errors, “Characters and cast” and “Storyline” are written in an in-universe style, etc. |
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*2. Many sections are without sources; sources used are of questionable reliability. Numerous instances of [[WP:NOR]] violations, e.g. Game system and Storyline sections. |
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*3. Article is not sufficiently broad. Precedent requires reception and development sections. Further, criticism regarding game’s gore and violent content is well-known, but receives no coverage. |
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*6. Mk2cred-10.png has no caption and improper fair use rationale, e.g. Purpose of use is “yes”. |
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As article was inappropriately assessed, I’ve been bold per [[WP:RGA]]. If you disagree with the delisting, please feel free to bring the matter to [[WP:GAR]]. [[User:elcobbola|<font color="black">'''Ɛƚ'''</font><font color="red">'''ƈơƅƅ'''</font><font color="orange">'''ơƚɑ'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:elcobbola|talk]]</sub> 21:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC) |
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:This action has been endorsed by [[WP:GAR]]: see [[WP:Good article reassessment/Archive 34#Mortal Kombat II|here]]. ''[[User talk:Geometry guy|Geometry guy]]'' 19:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC) |
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== Lots of info == |
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http://www.huguesjohnson.com/scans/mk2-behind-scenes/index.html --[[User:Ostateczny Krach Systemu Korporacji|Ostateczny Krach Systemu Korporacji]] ([[User talk:Ostateczny Krach Systemu Korporacji|talk]]) 18:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC) |
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===More info=== |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/562828-mortal-kombat-ii/data |
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Apparently it wasn't released in 1995 on the Saturn but rather 1996. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 21:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC) |
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http://web.archive.org/web/20040514014833/www.egmmag.com/article2/0,2053,1526654,00.asp |
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Also, an EGM review, courtesy of WP:VG. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 14:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
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== The unencyclopedially written rumors == |
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What was this? Was this actually valid? If so, give some real sources and properly wikiefied. --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 18:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC) |
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If you're talking about the High-Definition remake, it was confirmed by a MK website called TRMK after talking with several big industry names. And I gave sources, I just don't know how to add them to the References section. [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 13:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:Which means it's still a rumor only. --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 11:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::[http://www.trmk.org/news/13089/mortal_kombat_hd_kollection_confirmed_in_development.html Here]'s the source. Looks legitimate to me. AFAIK, TRMK is regarded as a reliable source. --[[User:UKER|uKER]] ([[User talk:UKER|talk]]) 15:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::The article section may be poorly written, but TRMK is indeed a reliable source. It is leaked info., not official by the company, but the info. is legitimate nonetheless. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 15:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:::A fansite does not satisfy Wikipedia's policies on [[WP:RS | reliability]] and [[WP:N | notability]] for references. --[[User:Wgungfu|Marty Goldberg]] ([[User talk:Wgungfu|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
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::::It's proven reliable in the past, and i'm pretty sure [[WP:N]] only applies to subjects having their own articles, not on references. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 16:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::No, actualy notability is also applied to references with regards to their reliability. I.E. if it doesn't have the notability of a major reference source in that field, it's most likely not a valid source. At least it always has in the past with FA and GA nominations, which is the actual purpose of the editing of articles here. To reach at least GA status. And at the very least it has to satisfy [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:Verify]]. And whether or not you find them reliable is irrelevant, a reference has to meet Wikipedia's policies on reliability to be included. A fansite is not considered a reliable reference for Wikipedia, unless it itself has been used as a reference by reliable sources. And those are far and few between. If you don't want to take my word for it, I'd be happy to file the site at [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard]] to let the people directly involved in those sorts of decisions to weigh in. --[[User:Wgungfu|Marty Goldberg]] ([[User talk:Wgungfu|talk]]) 20:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Gamestop now has the compilation listed for pre-order, so I really don't think this is a rumor anymore. [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 21:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Gamestop pulled the compilation info from their site, but this doesn't mean the compilation should be removed from Wikipedia yet. Gamespot made an article today about the game's existence. Link here: [http://www.gamespot.com/news/6276629.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B2 Gamespot News] [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 12:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC) |
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TRMK has another update: A french website posted what could be the box art for the compilation, revealing that there will be a playable demo of Mortal Kombat (2011) and a 3D-compatible game video included. The french site also said the game should be released on November 18th. It's still a PS3-exclusive though. [http://www.trmk.org/news/13196/box_art_for_mk_hd_kollection_revealed_mortal_kombat_2011_demo_included_updated.html Box Art News] [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 10:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Cease your "UPDATES", this is encyclopedia and your website. Also see how I handled this. (Unless this "this an arcade only game" reverted me again.) --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 14:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:I reverted you, not because it's an "arcade only game", but because you can't spell very well, and your "update" contained at least one jab to another editor. [[wp:civil|Comment on contributions, not the contributor.]] [[User:A man alone| a_man_alone]] ([[User talk:A man alone|talk]]) 18:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Not to mention the guidelines call for collapsible lists with the main/original platform as the index. If this conduct continues, including the uncivility, we'll be filing you on it which will most likely result in an IP block. --[[User:Wgungfu|Marty Goldberg]] ([[User talk:Wgungfu|talk]]) 21:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Asperchu, stop trying to delete the HD collection from the Mortal Kombat pages. You're trying to act big and important, but it's just making you look like a noobish retard. TRMK confirmed with several major game industries that the HD collection is coming, and unless we get a statement from Warner Bros. saying it's a joke (most likely not), ''then'' it can be deleted. So go away, stop acting like an idiot, and leave the section alone. [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 18:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Plus, that GameSpot link added to the notability/reliability of TRMK because it directly mentioned it in the article. The game is definitely real, unless it's an elaborate hoax which will regardless also be a notable event to be included in all 3 articles (but i'm pretty sure this game is real). Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 19:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Someone tried to delete the HD collection from this article again yesterday. I reinserted it, because I say again, until we get official confirmation that the collection is a hoax, then it can be deleted.[[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 17:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Now, Subzerosmokerain: no, "the text is not fine". IT'S A '''STILL''' UNCOMFIRMED RUMOR, sparked by some fansite, PRESENTED AS A FACT. Also, I already wrote about this rumor IN THE VERY INTRO TO THE ARTICLE! For god's sake, seriously what the hell is wrong with you people? ...chu. Also, a space goes after a reference, not before. --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 02:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Do me a favor and read [[WP:LEAD]], one mention in the intro. and no mention of the information in the article is unencyclopediac, period. This content isn't violating anything as adding it to relevant pages does no harm (as opposed to the creation of its own stand alone article). The game is unconfirmed by any official source but you fail to note that it has not been deconfirmed by any official source (saying outright if it is, or is not a hoax). And as for where it started, it started with a listing of the collection on a European game seller website. It's been corroborated multiple times with confirmations by GameStop/EB Games and even Wal-Mart. The fansite was re-presenting the facts and GameSpot ran with it. Hoax or not, that single GameSpot article warrants an inclusion of the kollection, for the fact of being a third party, reliable source. Oh and By the way, International Caps Lock day was last week, not today. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 04:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::The FANSITE '''started''' A RUMOUR. The other, real sources (cited by me) just cited the fansite. It's not presented by "hoax or not" by you, but as a fact. It's a rumour, uncomfirmed, and should be treated by rumour, WITHOUT citing a fansite (where it originated). It will stop being a rumour WHEN IT IS CONFIRMED (and what time passed since the rumour began, MONTHS already?). --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 18:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC) |
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== Please Cease and Desist Harmful editing == |
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You are creating quite a mess of the article. You've made some worthwhile contributions yes, i'm not denying that but the edits i've undone are for a reason. You are making unessecary edits to the awards section and removing the already decided upon HD Kollection. It stays, no matter what you say. It's been spoken upon by a third party reliable source, and that's what warrants the inclusion in the article. Not what I say, not what you say but what policy says. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 18:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC) |
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No, I FUCKING REWROTE THE WHOLE ARTICLE already (first as an anomymous user). It was "a mess of the article", before I did, starting last year or early this year, I don't remember. I provided most of reception (including ALL THE AWARDS in first place, or almost all of them), I rewrote most of everything else. Hello? --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 18:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Oh, and here are your "reliable sources"/"third party reliable source": |
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*[http://www.trmk.org/news/13089/mortal_kombat_hd_kollection_confirmed_in_development.html TRMK] |
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*[http://www.trmk.org/news/13144/more_mortal_kombat_hd_arcade_kollection_evidence_surfaces.html TRMK - Mortal Kombat News - More Mortal Kombat Hd Arcade Kollection Evidence Surfaces] |
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*[http://www.trmk.org/news/13181/you_can_now_preorder_mortal_kombat_hd_collection_at_gamestop.html TRMK - Mortal Kombat News - You Can Now Preorder Mortal Kombat Hd Collection At Gamestop] |
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It's ALL just ONE FANSITE. The reliable sources that I cited QUOTED THIS FANSITE, and pre-orders might by sparked by guess what, this very Wikipedia article and people calling the stores etc. --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 19:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC) |
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You are quite incorrect, it originated from the Midway forums where a user there noticed the existence of the HD kollection on a Swedish video game site. The HD kollection information only appeared recently, during which time you promptly removed the information, I was wary to add it myself as you said it was a rumor but then GameStop, Wal-mart, and other stores began to put the HD arcade kollection on their video game listing. Only to be brought down later. These reliable sources I am about to list have echoed what TRMK said because they have trusted TRMK as a reliable source and noted of the Arcade kollection: |
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http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/21/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection-listed-by-gamestop/ |
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6276629.html |
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http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection/news/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection-kould-be-koming-this-november/a-20100922112237743052/g-20100922112031164002 |
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http://shogungamer.com/news/yet-another-update-mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection |
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It is quite possible this is an elaborate hoax, but it is also possible that the game is real and all of these sources have covered it. Those are only a few from my google search and there are bound to be more. The information follows [[WP:V]] with [[WP:RS]], please note of this before further action must be taken. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 19:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:You're right: "further action must be taken" and I'm taking it alright. I posted the notice of rumours in the article (in a very prominent place, but explaining it's only a rumour so far - for many weeks now), but I won't you to push an uncomfirmed [[rumor]] (originating from a forum which was then "confirmed" by a series of posts on some random fansite) as already estabilished [[fact]]. You're free to come back when you'll get any official (as in: from the creators) confirmation in a magazine and/or an actually respectable website (requirements: it has a Wikipedia article, like [[IGN]] and unlike [[TRMK]]). You might even go and write a separate article on ''[[Mortal Kombat: HD Arcade Kollection]]'' (or whatever) and you know what, I'd help you out with it. |
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:Also stop your disruptive edits, like reverting my further attempts to finish the very important reception section (which has been mostly written by me already, and now I'm going to finish it). --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 18:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::Asperchu, please see [[wp:own]] - this is not your article, no matter what you think or what you have previously contributed. Please reconsider two things: Your editing, and your attitude. You are making it hard for anybody to take sides with you regardless of your intentions. [[User:A man alone| a_man_alone]] ([[User talk:A man alone|talk]]) 18:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC) |
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So, 3 months passed - and not a word of official confirmation. And this is why I now propose to remove '''everything''' regarding this fansite-sparked rumour from every article where it was spammed into. --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 11:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:That claim seems a little odd. It's clearly listed on [http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666271469 Sony's site now for preorder], as well as [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879333043 Newegg] and several other online stores. I have no investment in the subject one way or another, but being on Sony's own online store would be "official confirmation" by Wikipedia standards. --[[User:Wgungfu|Marty Goldberg]] ([[User talk:Wgungfu|talk]]) 17:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::So, if it's really released in... [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879333043 TOMMOROW] (still without even telling anyone in press, not to mention any promotion like just releasing a trailer, or even any picture), you'll make an article about this incredible sleeper hit. (And if not, you won't.) --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 09:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::Btw, Sony ("make.belive") preorder was just deleted. Oh noes! WHAT HAPPEN? [http://twitter.com/torokobu/status/4416082039283712 THIS is all news on this of the last 24 hrs] - pretty bad for an alleged release day, I guess? Oh, and Metacritic is [http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/mortal-kombat-hd-arcade-kollection just as guilible as you], and this just sad. --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) --[[User:Asperchu|Asperchu]] ([[User talk:Asperchu|talk]]) 13:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC) |
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Asperchu, do you hate the idea of an HD Mortal Kombat collection? Do you not want it to ever happen? It sounds like it since you're so hell-bent on vaporizing it from Wikipedian history. [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 23:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:Probably, but ever since that deadline passed he's now been proven right. The references from reliable guys are there, and they since I added them to this page, it'll stay here for later. We can add them when WB actually confirms the game's existence. But for now, we pro-MKHD users must take a raincheck on creating the section. Sucks, I know. Sincerely [[User:Subzerosmokerain|Subzerosmokerain]] ([[User talk:Subzerosmokerain|talk]]) 23:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== New "Archival" HD Kollection Section == |
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I reinstated the Mortal Kombat HD Kollection into the articles, this time stating that it's rumored and WB Games has yet to confirm it. This (was) a big deal and I believe it deserves some credit. |
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Asperchu, if you intend again to eradicate all traces of the HD collection from Wikipedia, please explain why you hate the idea so much. And if you throw a big hissy fit towards everyone like you did before, then I'll have to request the staff to inflict harsh punishment on you. Consider this your warning from me, because I've seen how you act and how you have no respect for anyone on the site, even the staff. [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 22:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I know I'm coming up far too late on this, but I'll say it anyway. Wikipedia has no place for [[WP:OR|rumors]], it is [[WP:CRYSTAL|speculation]], and requires [[WP:SOURCE|sources]]. The section followed none of those policies. You yourself have clearly said it was "rumored" and unconfirmed. We cannot accept such material. I don't know if Asperchu consulted you privately to discuss the matter, but I think everyone should see this anyway. Hopefully this will help you when making future contributions. [[User:Tubularbells1993|Tubularbells1993]] ([[User talk:Tubularbells1993|talk]]) 06:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC) |
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== UGO.com links == |
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While link de-rotting, the list of the Best 42 Games Ever was apparently confused with Top 25 Fighting Game of All Time (both links are now to the latter). |
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== Konfirmed: Kollection is Koming == |
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Arcade Kollection to include Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat II, and Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 in a $10 downloadable bundle for PS3, 360, and PC. |
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[http://www.gamespot.com/news/6313416.html?tag=newsticker%3Bheadline%3B3 Gamespot News] |
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This news has also been posted on numerous other gaming websites. [[Special:Contributions/66.227.220.139|66.227.220.139]] ([[User talk:66.227.220.139|talk]]) 19:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC) |
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== More refs - needed or not? == |
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There are some sections (gameplay, characters) unsourced, but I'm not sure if we should even bother at this point, and according to the article feedback (now it's gone) people are generally already fully satisfied already. --[[Special:Contributions/194.145.185.229|194.145.185.229]] ([[User talk:194.145.185.229|talk]]) 17:42, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== B assessment == |
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I've reassessed it as B. It looks better than the first time I assessed it a month ago. My only suggestion is to actually put release dates in the appropriate sections under "Development and releases". For example, the "PlayStation 3" sub-section doesn't mention its PSN release date. I would say break all the release info from the development since Release sections are generally separate from Development, but because of the way the section is set up, it may not be needed. A GAN process may suggest this or think what the page is currently doing is fine. --[[User:JDC808|<font color="green">JDC808</font>]] [[User talk:JDC808|<font color="black">♫</font>]] 16:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC) |
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I don't think it's GA ready yet. --[[User:Niemti|Niemti]] ([[User talk:Niemti|talk]]) 00:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC) |
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{{Talk:Mortal Kombat II/GA1}} |
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== Gameplay section == |
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Some unclear stuff in this section. What is a "turnaround kick"? Is that the same thing as a roundhouse kick mentioned later in the section? Also, technically MK II does not have traditional "combos", that is, you still can't preempt one attack and perform another one. The only combos are juggles. --[[User:Jtalledo|Jtalledo]] [[User talk:Jtalledo|(talk)]] 15:22, 4 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Turnaround kick? == |
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What is this supposed to mean? "a crouching punch and {{em|turnaround kick}} were added..." '''[[Special:Contributions/LazyBastardGuy|<font color="gray">Lazy</font>]][[User talk:LazyBastardGuy|<font color="gray">Bastard</font>]][[User:LazyBastardGuy|<font color="gray">Guy</font>]]''' 20:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC) |
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== Edit needed == |
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Smoke is listed as an alternate Sub Zero palette with Scorpion's fight stance, but in fact it's Reptiles fight stance he has. [[User:Zpaul2fresh8|Zpaul2fresh8]] ([[User talk:Zpaul2fresh8|talk]]) 18:58, 21 November 2016 (UTC) |
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:I did find [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105877575/ this article] mentioning from December 5 saying that the machines in this local area were installed a couple of weeks beforehand, placing it in November, but most articles talking about the new machines are firmly in December. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 01:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
:I did find [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105877575/ this article] mentioning from December 5 saying that the machines in this local area were installed a couple of weeks beforehand, placing it in November, but most articles talking about the new machines are firmly in December. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 01:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] Probably enough sourcing we can say "late 1993" you think? -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 01:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
::@[[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] Probably enough sourcing we can say "late 1993" you think? -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 01:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::I certainly think so. [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105878007/ Here's another source] with a new machine in place in early December, so I think late November/early December seems to be when most arcades were getting their new machines playing ''Mortal Kombat II''. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 01:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
:::I certainly think so. [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105878007/ Here's another source] with a new machine in place in early December, so I think late November/early December seems to be when most arcades were getting their new machines playing ''Mortal Kombat II''. [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105878172/ Here] is an article from November 26 where a new MK2 cabinet got stolen at an arcade. [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/105878464/ Here] is an article that supports the idea that the cabinet was absolutely not available in April, as this is an October article talking about a future release. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 01:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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A TV show 11 years after the release of the game has been used to site an April 3, 1993 release. The show itself only said April. I find this source dubious.
Second, most databases and fan wikis say June 25, 1993. However, none of them have any visible sourcing.
Most likely, MKII was not in arcade prior to October 1993, and likely a month or two after. First, Gamespot mentions that it was release "just a year after" and "scarcely a year after" the first game, which was October 1992. Second, Play Meter reports that at the October 1993 expo, people were lining up for "a chance to play" Midway's "best new equipment", Mortal Kombat II. Other October 1993 newspapers also mention that a sequel to MK1 may be out "in a couple months". Finally, operating manuals for the arcade that are archived on the internet all appear to have an October 1993 printing date.
The evidence is fairly high that Icons is simply wrong, and no evidence at all for the June 25 date can be found. The system was likely out in 1993, but as of yet I haven't found any direct sourcing. -- ferret (talk) 20:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- The magazine Play Meter, in their November 1993 issue, does mention the arcade version of Mortal Kombat II being introduced at the AMOA Expo during October 21-23 in Anaheim, CA. It was released no later than January 1994, as the January 1994 issue of that same magazine mentions that it has been released by then, and given that the issue was released for Jan 1994 but likely written earlier, a 1993 release date is likely. - Aoidh (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I find this source dubious They literally have the creators of Mortal Kombat 2 on the show how is it dubious? Does John Tobias and Ed Boon not know when MK 2 was released? Also to answer your question about the April 3rd date. It lists it as such in Midway Arcade Treasures 2 in the extra selection.--Fruitloop11 (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. When we have a discrepancy between contemporary sourcing and sourcing that is decades later, it does cast doubt on the later sourcing. Neither Tobias or Boon say "It was released on April 3, 1993" in the Icons show. A narrator says it over a title card, with no attribution to either of them. As for Midway Arcade Treasures 2, I can't verify anything about that, can you find a video or similar? Either way, it's again a decade later as well. A video I found for Midway Arcade Treasures 2 showing MKII on the selection menu simply says "1993". -- ferret (talk) 00:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- 1 decade isnt that long ago though. What exactly don't you like about the April 1993 date? Were you not playing it in April of 1993? Do you think G4 just pulled the date put of thin air. Make it make sense. Fruitloop11 (talk) 00:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I feel like I've already explained it. I don't know where G4/Icons got the date. I just know it doesn't agree with contemporary sourcing. How can it have been released in April, yet in October at the expo it was new and unreleased? This simply doesn't line up. And yes, later sources sometimes pull things out of thin air. We regularly find that sources have printed things they got from Wikipedia that were wrong or even outright vandalism. It happens sometimes. The bottom line is the only thing we can say for "sure" is "1993". -- ferret (talk) 00:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- 1 decade isnt that long ago though. What exactly don't you like about the April 1993 date? Were you not playing it in April of 1993? Do you think G4 just pulled the date put of thin air. Make it make sense. Fruitloop11 (talk) 00:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. When we have a discrepancy between contemporary sourcing and sourcing that is decades later, it does cast doubt on the later sourcing. Neither Tobias or Boon say "It was released on April 3, 1993" in the Icons show. A narrator says it over a title card, with no attribution to either of them. As for Midway Arcade Treasures 2, I can't verify anything about that, can you find a video or similar? Either way, it's again a decade later as well. A video I found for Midway Arcade Treasures 2 showing MKII on the selection menu simply says "1993". -- ferret (talk) 00:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I find this source dubious They literally have the creators of Mortal Kombat 2 on the show how is it dubious? Does John Tobias and Ed Boon not know when MK 2 was released? Also to answer your question about the April 3rd date. It lists it as such in Midway Arcade Treasures 2 in the extra selection.--Fruitloop11 (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Further evidence. Washington Post, in November 1993, published that WMS, the owner of Midway and manufacturer of MKII's machines, was blaming it's earnings shortfall on the delayed introduction of MKII, which had not been released yet. The same story was also carried by The Lost Angeles Times, Nov 1993. Chicago Tribute, January 1994 reported that WMS earnings were back up in December due to the release of MKII. And, again back in October 1993, USA TODAY reported that MKII was unveiled at the AMOA expo. A game cannot be "unveiled" if it was already released. Crain's Chicago Business, Dec 13, 1993, reports that 15,000 advanced orders had been taken by WMS for Mortal Kombat II, pretty clearly putting the release in December. Most sourcing is around the time of December 1993, but a few sources indicate cabinets were in the wild in November 1993. -- ferret (talk) 01:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I did find this article mentioning from December 5 saying that the machines in this local area were installed a couple of weeks beforehand, placing it in November, but most articles talking about the new machines are firmly in December. - Aoidh (talk) 01:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Aoidh Probably enough sourcing we can say "late 1993" you think? -- ferret (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I certainly think so. Here's another source with a new machine in place in early December, so I think late November/early December seems to be when most arcades were getting their new machines playing Mortal Kombat II. Here is an article from November 26 where a new MK2 cabinet got stolen at an arcade. Here is an article that supports the idea that the cabinet was absolutely not available in April, as this is an October article talking about a future release. - Aoidh (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Aoidh Probably enough sourcing we can say "late 1993" you think? -- ferret (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just a passing note - this actually isn't an abnormal situation for video games on this time period. There's also conflicting reports of the date something as popular as Super Mario Bros came out in the US. Sergecross73 msg me 11:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)