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== NO! TO THIS COVER UP AFFAIR AND TO THE TRANSGRESSING OF ALL RULES BY TOO MANY ADMINISTRATORS == |
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This archiving is a fraude to remove disturbing informations that the church do not aprove with. Of course the admi doing so is a pro mormon full memeber of the church, whcich is the same than asking to a KKK member to be impartial when judging a black he is going to condamn no matter what. |
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Mormon members are not aloud to interfer with decisions involving disagreement with non member of the church or memeber of the church who disagree with the central point of view and convictions and come with new essential informations about what is really going on. |
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:Not only you have archive it solo, but you have also removed my last edit, and I wonder how it is possible to do so in less than 6 hours, and for you to go on holyday for the month at the same time, living nobody to ask about it. |
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:Very typical of abusiv admi and seen before. |
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:You left no explainations for your actions either. |
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:I am the one who have denonce the personal attacks made AGAINST ME on this page, as they were made against me, and complain that reactions were out of subjects, or "denying the question" to use the proper argumentativ terminology, but you left the one who was making personal attacks against me and removed my defense. |
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:Most unappropiate. |
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:I wonder if you are in fact not acting as a wiki admi but as a friend of friends, contacted to do others a favor. |
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:Proove the opposit or set back the thing as they were. |
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:There was no reason to archive the way you did it. |
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:This discussion page had to be archived a long time ago because of its length, but it doesnt included, ever!, to archive the 2 last post. It isnt a regular wikis policy either. |
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:You did it only to hide those last posts, and even suppressed the last from the archive itself, AND FROM THE HISTORIC WHICH IS COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN ON WIKI, WITHOUT PASSING BY THE PROPER CHANNEL FIRST AND GIVING SOME SOLID REASONS FOR IT. |
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:I am afraid that your motives to do so are all imbued of mormonic believes, as I was not making personal attacks in my contributions, but was based on facts, and you even choosed to leave vals' insulting text, useless chapterised parts, who was repeating large part of my preceding edits for no reason at all, which is not recommended to do on wiki,[see abuse of space on wiki rules] and by this way confirming the decadence and activ corruption who is blooming on wikipedia. |
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:You should be ashame of your actions and of again hidding behind rules, that you cross as pretending applying them, and that are not use on all user equaly. |
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:'''Equality being the basic rule on wiki''', officialy, I will like to see some of that applying here, for a change. |
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:I also crave that the text who was suppress from the archive get reinserted and that an external administrator look upon it. One who isnt mormon nor a close friend of any of the people involved in this. |
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:I also have the right to crave to be handed my edit personally as purpose to use it as proove to wikipedia board, that I have contacted. So put it on my personal talk page today. |
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:None of the participants have until now given any reason for their attitude and personal attacks, but found convenient to pursue such actions, even after I had say that it was enough with that kind and that they had to keep their comments on what I had written, and not answer to something they had imagined me saying. |
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:None of them has done so yet, and as far as I recall I do not have use force on them as they are doing on me, nor did I call 5 bossy friends to help me knock down the opponents opinion, nor did I ever answer to anything else but what a person had written to me, nor did I ask for somebody else to answer questions directly adressed to me. |
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:I will found doing the opposit a rude thing to do and unproper, but mormons have seemingly exercised this practice long enough to found it natural. |
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:I will have members of the church and president to look at this talk page before the end of this week, to give me their opinion and know if this is a crusade made by the church, or if it is a crusade involving the individuals named on this talk page only, against their imaginary enemy and inner demons. |
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:You were so much asking for proofs, where is your eager for such now? |
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:You are never so keen at asking for proofs before acting against me, and what happened is a terrible exemple of what I talk about in preceeding edits, concerning mormons violently assertiv reactions patterns and total censorship of all mormons articles and talk pages, and concerning wikipedias corruption of admi and friends favors, as well as my accusation of the total control of church members of this talk page, who managed to become administrators and this way gain full control by mean of power abuse, corruption, and disregard of wikis' first rule: all wikipedian , registered or not, are equal, and considered as part of the community by mean of their contributions. |
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:>From the moment I write in wiki I am your equal, regardless of your own opinion about it, and of your MIT's mentality. |
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:I crave the last contributions to be removed from the archives and be placed here as Storm rider didnt answer me and as val discontribution and personal attacks do not count as a contribution nor as an answer. |
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:This person is extremely freak to have contacted an admi friend to talk her voice about personal attacks as if they had been made by me against he, and to dont see his: discriminations: racial, social, language racism, cynisism, direct insults, humiliating comparison of my person to a troll, and so on... |
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:But the burritos guy seemed to agree with all that. It isnt personal attacks when it come from a friend, specialy a mormon! |
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:I found my answer to those things val vomited at me very clever, specially after having warned that enough was enough. I have used her own methods, but more developed as better founded and argumented for, as she tried to put my text against me in a very unabil way(which wasnt possible as what I wrote was never an attack, but read the "now diseapered edit" to see that)so I mirrored herself in it, which she didnt like at all. |
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: All seems to lack the hability to argument properly on this talk page, and to understand what thats mean. |
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:Tell me is it an american thing to kill the one you disagree with? |
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:Because all this shit you are having on wiki english and american does not exist in the european countries. |
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:There is no admi abuse on wiki french, ever. It is never necessary nor a thing they will even think to do. |
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:They are not partial nor discriminatorical in their evaluations and always evaluate things equally, but you just take side, keep side, do not want to hear nor understand anything who isnt exactly what you were compute to accept. |
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:It is indeed very american to just keep with those who are just like yourself and never listen nor be open to what is different. |
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:You dont know what equality means, for the vast majority of selfrighteous conservators, and thats why your country is in such a big shit: you do not know what real democracy is as you have never been able to experience it, nor even wish to ever. |
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:You are also unaware of it, and thats why all your actions outside US are doomed to fail, as you dont know what you pretend to impose. There is no democracy in the US, the 2 last presidential elections were tricked as can be read and documented on ACLU, and on the european observation comitee home page (I have the EU rapport of the last election with prooves it was falsificate, so just ask I will fax it to you), the same as for the election of Ronald Reagan, but you are oh so blind! |
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:You have no social network and it doesnt worry you nor bother you that a social network is the first sign of a working democracy. |
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:So no surprise that democracy cannot exist on wiki when the majority of its members are in fact anti democratics idiots, unaware of it, and who dont know a thing about equality, and are by this way unable to apply nor transmit nor guard wikis rules and philosophy. |
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:Their actions is very destructiv as they destroy all wikipedians structure by their childish and unreflected actions. |
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:You never take consequences of your actions but instead put on it a name it doesnt have to disguise it in something you can better accept about yourself, like guarding wikis moral, or applying wikis rules, when you are doing the exact opposit. |
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:I have seen this pattern on too many wikis admi english speaking, for it to be an incident. It is a pattern who have to do with the american history and its non access to real democracy, whcih is my reason to mention it here, as a very relevant side of the story developping here as well as on many other articles and talk page in wiki english and american. |
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: It is reflecting a mentality who is so self denying of its own actions that discussion is very difficult if not impossible. |
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: By chance all english or american are not like this, but it seems that those who are are making a mark where it was very unlucky for all that they did. |
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:All what is done in the US by its government is fundamentaly undemocratic and imposed. |
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:The vast majority of americans don't react nor name this undemocratic process who has been going on for decades, because they are told to be the biggest democracy in the world and....they believe it! But also because the other majority dont have the mean to stop this, change this, as has been showned to them in the past. And as ACLU limitated field of action shows it. |
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:Many wikis admi, and uppers, are declared conservative people, and not for nothing. All those conservatives are with to asphyxiate the democratie. Not because they are conservativ, but because they think that being conservatist is to be against free will, and to impose on others without ask by mean of power, force, and influence. |
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:Like val for instance who cant see that what he does was a unlegitimate attack with insult, that he found certainly very funny, but not so funny once he is the target of it. So what did he do? accept to be using the wrong tools and see the fair in an equal answer? |
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:No. |
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:She call big mama and oncle sam and have them shouting at the disturbance. |
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:ANd now, AAAHHH! it is much better, they can all breath the undemocratical air in peace. Nobody is there to point out any holes in the system nor mention that they are doing wrong or doing what is unfair and being discriminatoric, all is cool with only those one totally agree with. |
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:So val how can you pretend being a geek and not understand a joke, or having asparagus and not been able to think 10 thoughts on your own, and beeing nørd and unable to make a simple text analysis nor draw your own conclusions? |
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How can you be for the freedom of expression if the first things you do in a real situation, is to deny access to the other person, insult her, then attache her, suppress her liberty to talk and to print what she wrote, so nobody can see it, and threaten her, so you are sure nobody with a different opinion than yours will come here and confront you with what is real?! |
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:All that in the name of freedom of expression, liberty of press, and equality, and to counter personal attacks!!?? |
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:Against whom? |
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:Those who agree with you? |
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:Those who disagree and defend themselves of YOUR attacks? |
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:Or for all in all equality as expressed on wiki rules? |
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:I am far from being the alone wikipedian having problems with the corrupted wikipedians administrators, and uppers, and it is in fact generalized inside the english-american talking wikipedia and '''is a problem for all users with a more democratical view than yours''', and with a cultural background based on openness and freedom of speach, and who are used to discuss any matters they disagree about without feeling the urge to kill the other person, or forbid this person to speak nor hate this person, as most european do and straight thinking american, or american with commun sens do, but there is not many of them on wiki, maybe they runned away when they see what you do here, how abusive you are and how irresponsible you are, to always deny the real purpose and consequences of your actions. |
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:As it can be seen on wiki french and german, and danish, no admi abuse exist there, '''only the english and american administrators are comitting abuses,''' not all of course but a very large part who is with to keep wishable admi out of wiki, because this kind of mentality convinced those people to stay away. |
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:I am very concerned at seeing how automatically one is considered as enemy and banned, out of prejudices, and without one word based on what the person actually is presenting. Like in my exemple here, on the now archived part of this talk page, even if never before on wiki a talk page has been archived together with an ongoing discussion, burrying the last 2 to 3 posts, to shut down the wikipedian one cannot argue against nor put oneself together to argue or at least try to understand!. |
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:You do not know what you dont like as '''you do not have mentioned one word of what my contribution was about.''' |
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:You have stay outside, turning around the pot. |
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:And yes, it is tiring to waít and say "closer" all the time, and have to dispach messages from one to another, and being meet with a degree of suspicion that make the definition of paranoia blemish. |
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:Why dont you try some pronoïa for a change? |
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:As in fact warmly suggested in WIKI's for-starters-set-of-rules? |
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:The first encyclopedia was french and a success for centuries, the second was american and an immediate disaster. |
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:It made wars, created wars, usher wars, encourage wars and unjustice and discriminations, and the use of sovjet methods to shut the mouth of anyone having informations they disagreed with. |
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:Not a free platform to access and give free reliable data, but A Copy Conform of the United state of america, (the worse side of the US, if you want my meaning) it screams, it pretends, it wants, it use all the right words, but it doesn't work as it cant apply any of them. |
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:No one knew the meaning of those words nor what it imply, what egality was, only if used between its own pairs... |
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:'''Revert this archiving who is the worse case of hidding your crime I ever seen and a bad remake of the Watergate.''' |
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:I you want to hide documents and files do it somewhere else than on wikipedia, this place is supposed to inform and be a place where one can free dispose of informations and access them easely. |
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:Not a labyrinth or a jungle of false data one has to fight through to get the right document. |
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:You are doing the american way to corrupt data, versus the chineese. |
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:All can access all, but you control the contain of it all, for chineese it is all can access the part the government agree with. |
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:At the end the chineese are more honest, at least they anounce the colors and are conscious of it! |
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'''I want this englo american type of wiki attitude to be stoped and wikis rules to be really respected and not faint and used and abused as a mean to escape from "disturbing" informations, and from users stampled as "opponents", by using wikis rules, ment to protect all users rights, as weapons against them, not to insure they rights to express themselves, but to insure the suppression of those rights.''' |
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:WIKIPEDIA has become a dictatorship of small minded administrators who have no respect for freedom of speach nor equality, and who bugg this place and hinder it to function as it was once imagined to, and as it was once working as, before those buggs where everywhere. |
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The fact that they even bugg this kind of edits who denounce them and this very problematic situation in Wikipedia and for Wikipedia and wikipedians as a whole, and suppress it all together as was shown by my last edit is the proove that the situation is very serious. |
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I want my last contribution who has been deleeted from the archive and from the historic to be reinserted and send to me personaly, as I intend to use it against WIKIPEDIA by sending it to ACLU, and using it against those small dictators who call themselves admi, by sending it to some person from the administration board as well as wikipedias' foundator. |
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:I will, on the basis of this, reinsert the last contributions who are at the end of the archive, except for the last one who has been completely deleeted, because of the real informations it contained, and that some found dangerous, in such a degree that they supressed it from the historic, which is an exception to wikipedia rules, who must always be abondantly founded, and who is specially worrying here as no reasons are given for it. |
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:The alone reasons advanced are those I have advanced myself as I was subject to attacks and therefor cannot be use to eleminate my own contribution and leave the agressor and his meaningless and insultiv edit there. |
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:If you consider all or part of my contribution who has been deleeted as a personal attack, I would like to know which part and whom you think it is attacking. |
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:If something is offending, I want a fair trail and the chance to can remove what is discussed on my own, as it is the proper way to do on all other wikipedias who do not use force nor abuse of power by admi, and who respect the wikipedian rules and have some respect for the freedom of expression and for the equality in the treatment of users, as well as wikipedians rights to have a different knowledge and a different opinion than any other wikipedian. |
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Mind the line on the grass, |
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The last 3 contributions from archive 1, are following, for the talk page to can fullfill its purpose and not be hindered by external forces to do so, and certainly not members of the church having internally elected one another to become administrators and be more and more inside wiki. No to the corruption of wikipedia. |
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I archived this talk page, as it had become massive and most current conversations seemed to have drifted uncomfortably close to personal attacks. Please feel free to continue relevant, civil discussions below; remember that proposed changes should include proper sources. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 20:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Being the most recent poster to the (now) archived discussion, I agree with why you archived the discussion. The discussion wasn't advancing, even with my posting. Thanks for archiving the discussions. Val42 02:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- And it was 170KB long. :) --Kmsiever 03:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I rearchived the stuff to Talk:Mormonism/Archive 2 - with all the new unsourced allegations.
NO! TO THIS COVER UP AFFAIR AND TO THE TRANSGRESSING OF ALL RULES BY TOO MANY ADMINISTRATORS
This archiving is a fraude to remove disturbing informations that the church do not aprove with. Of course the admi doing so is a pro mormon full memeber of the church, whcich is the same than asking to a KKK member to be impartial when judging a black he is going to condamn no matter what. Mormon members are not aloud to interfer with decisions involving disagreement with non member of the church or memeber of the church who disagree with the central point of view and convictions and come with new essential informations about what is really going on.
- Not only you have archive it solo, but you have also removed my last edit, and I wonder how it is possible to do so in less than 6 hours, and for you to go on holyday for the month at the same time, living nobody to ask about it.
- Very typical of abusiv admi and seen before.
- You left no explainations for your actions either.
- I am the one who have denonce the personal attacks made AGAINST ME on this page, as they were made against me, and complain that reactions were out of subjects, or "denying the question" to use the proper argumentativ terminology, but you left the one who was making personal attacks against me and removed my defense.
- Most unappropiate.
- I wonder if you are in fact not acting as a wiki admi but as a friend of friends, contacted to do others a favor.
- Proove the opposit or set back the thing as they were.
- There was no reason to archive the way you did it.
- This discussion page had to be archived a long time ago because of its length, but it doesnt included, ever!, to archive the 2 last post. It isnt a regular wikis policy either.
- You did it only to hide those last posts, and even suppressed the last from the archive itself, AND FROM THE HISTORIC WHICH IS COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN ON WIKI, WITHOUT PASSING BY THE PROPER CHANNEL FIRST AND GIVING SOME SOLID REASONS FOR IT.
- I am afraid that your motives to do so are all imbued of mormonic believes, as I was not making personal attacks in my contributions, but was based on facts, and you even choosed to leave vals' insulting text, useless chapterised parts, who was repeating large part of my preceding edits for no reason at all, which is not recommended to do on wiki,[see abuse of space on wiki rules] and by this way confirming the decadence and activ corruption who is blooming on wikipedia.
- You should be ashame of your actions and of again hidding behind rules, that you cross as pretending applying them, and that are not use on all user equaly.
- Equality being the basic rule on wiki, officialy, I will like to see some of that applying here, for a change.
- I also crave that the text who was suppress from the archive get reinserted and that an external administrator look upon it. One who isnt mormon nor a close friend of any of the people involved in this.
- I also have the right to crave to be handed my edit personally as purpose to use it as proove to wikipedia board, that I have contacted. So put it on my personal talk page today.
- None of the participants have until now given any reason for their attitude and personal attacks, but found convenient to pursue such actions, even after I had say that it was enough with that kind and that they had to keep their comments on what I had written, and not answer to something they had imagined me saying.
- None of them has done so yet, and as far as I recall I do not have use force on them as they are doing on me, nor did I call 5 bossy friends to help me knock down the opponents opinion, nor did I ever answer to anything else but what a person had written to me, nor did I ask for somebody else to answer questions directly adressed to me.
- I will found doing the opposit a rude thing to do and unproper, but mormons have seemingly exercised this practice long enough to found it natural.
- I will have members of the church and president to look at this talk page before the end of this week, to give me their opinion and know if this is a crusade made by the church, or if it is a crusade involving the individuals named on this talk page only, against their imaginary enemy and inner demons.
- You were so much asking for proofs, where is your eager for such now?
- You are never so keen at asking for proofs before acting against me, and what happened is a terrible exemple of what I talk about in preceeding edits, concerning mormons violently assertiv reactions patterns and total censorship of all mormons articles and talk pages, and concerning wikipedias corruption of admi and friends favors, as well as my accusation of the total control of church members of this talk page, who managed to become administrators and this way gain full control by mean of power abuse, corruption, and disregard of wikis' first rule: all wikipedian , registered or not, are equal, and considered as part of the community by mean of their contributions.
- >From the moment I write in wiki I am your equal, regardless of your own opinion about it, and of your MIT's mentality.
- I crave the last contributions to be removed from the archives and be placed here as Storm rider didnt answer me and as val discontribution and personal attacks do not count as a contribution nor as an answer.
- This person is extremely freak to have contacted an admi friend to talk her voice about personal attacks as if they had been made by me against he, and to dont see his: discriminations: racial, social, language racism, cynisism, direct insults, humiliating comparison of my person to a troll, and so on...
- But the burritos guy seemed to agree with all that. It isnt personal attacks when it come from a friend, specialy a mormon!
- I found my answer to those things val vomited at me very clever, specially after having warned that enough was enough. I have used her own methods, but more developed as better founded and argumented for, as she tried to put my text against me in a very unabil way(which wasnt possible as what I wrote was never an attack, but read the "now diseapered edit" to see that)so I mirrored herself in it, which she didnt like at all.
- All seems to lack the hability to argument properly on this talk page, and to understand what thats mean.
- Tell me is it an american thing to kill the one you disagree with?
- Because all this shit you are having on wiki english and american does not exist in the european countries.
- There is no admi abuse on wiki french, ever. It is never necessary nor a thing they will even think to do.
- They are not partial nor discriminatorical in their evaluations and always evaluate things equally, but you just take side, keep side, do not want to hear nor understand anything who isnt exactly what you were compute to accept.
- It is indeed very american to just keep with those who are just like yourself and never listen nor be open to what is different.
- You dont know what equality means, for the vast majority of selfrighteous conservators, and thats why your country is in such a big shit: you do not know what real democracy is as you have never been able to experience it, nor even wish to ever.
- You are also unaware of it, and thats why all your actions outside US are doomed to fail, as you dont know what you pretend to impose. There is no democracy in the US, the 2 last presidential elections were tricked as can be read and documented on ACLU, and on the european observation comitee home page (I have the EU rapport of the last election with prooves it was falsificate, so just ask I will fax it to you), the same as for the election of Ronald Reagan, but you are oh so blind!
- You have no social network and it doesnt worry you nor bother you that a social network is the first sign of a working democracy.
- So no surprise that democracy cannot exist on wiki when the majority of its members are in fact anti democratics idiots, unaware of it, and who dont know a thing about equality, and are by this way unable to apply nor transmit nor guard wikis rules and philosophy.
- Their actions is very destructiv as they destroy all wikipedians structure by their childish and unreflected actions.
- You never take consequences of your actions but instead put on it a name it doesnt have to disguise it in something you can better accept about yourself, like guarding wikis moral, or applying wikis rules, when you are doing the exact opposit.
- I have seen this pattern on too many wikis admi english speaking, for it to be an incident. It is a pattern who have to do with the american history and its non access to real democracy, whcih is my reason to mention it here, as a very relevant side of the story developping here as well as on many other articles and talk page in wiki english and american.
- It is reflecting a mentality who is so self denying of its own actions that discussion is very difficult if not impossible.
- By chance all english or american are not like this, but it seems that those who are are making a mark where it was very unlucky for all that they did.
- All what is done in the US by its government is fundamentaly undemocratic and imposed.
- The vast majority of americans don't react nor name this undemocratic process who has been going on for decades, because they are told to be the biggest democracy in the world and....they believe it! But also because the other majority dont have the mean to stop this, change this, as has been showned to them in the past. And as ACLU limitated field of action shows it.
- Many wikis admi, and uppers, are declared conservative people, and not for nothing. All those conservatives are with to asphyxiate the democratie. Not because they are conservativ, but because they think that being conservatist is to be against free will, and to impose on others without ask by mean of power, force, and influence.
- Like val for instance who cant see that what he does was a unlegitimate attack with insult, that he found certainly very funny, but not so funny once he is the target of it. So what did he do? accept to be using the wrong tools and see the fair in an equal answer?
- No.
- She call big mama and oncle sam and have them shouting at the disturbance.
- ANd now, AAAHHH! it is much better, they can all breath the undemocratical air in peace. Nobody is there to point out any holes in the system nor mention that they are doing wrong or doing what is unfair and being discriminatoric, all is cool with only those one totally agree with.
- So val how can you pretend being a geek and not understand a joke, or having asparagus and not been able to think 10 thoughts on your own, and beeing nørd and unable to make a simple text analysis nor draw your own conclusions?
How can you be for the freedom of expression if the first things you do in a real situation, is to deny access to the other person, insult her, then attache her, suppress her liberty to talk and to print what she wrote, so nobody can see it, and threaten her, so you are sure nobody with a different opinion than yours will come here and confront you with what is real?!
- All that in the name of freedom of expression, liberty of press, and equality, and to counter personal attacks!!??
- Against whom?
- Those who agree with you?
- Those who disagree and defend themselves of YOUR attacks?
- Or for all in all equality as expressed on wiki rules?
- I am far from being the alone wikipedian having problems with the corrupted wikipedians administrators, and uppers, and it is in fact generalized inside the english-american talking wikipedia and is a problem for all users with a more democratical view than yours, and with a cultural background based on openness and freedom of speach, and who are used to discuss any matters they disagree about without feeling the urge to kill the other person, or forbid this person to speak nor hate this person, as most european do and straight thinking american, or american with commun sens do, but there is not many of them on wiki, maybe they runned away when they see what you do here, how abusive you are and how irresponsible you are, to always deny the real purpose and consequences of your actions.
- As it can be seen on wiki french and german, and danish, no admi abuse exist there, only the english and american administrators are comitting abuses, not all of course but a very large part who is with to keep wishable admi out of wiki, because this kind of mentality convinced those people to stay away.
- I am very concerned at seeing how automatically one is considered as enemy and banned, out of prejudices, and without one word based on what the person actually is presenting. Like in my exemple here, on the now archived part of this talk page, even if never before on wiki a talk page has been archived together with an ongoing discussion, burrying the last 2 to 3 posts, to shut down the wikipedian one cannot argue against nor put oneself together to argue or at least try to understand!.
- You do not know what you dont like as you do not have mentioned one word of what my contribution was about.
- You have stay outside, turning around the pot.
- And yes, it is tiring to waít and say "closer" all the time, and have to dispach messages from one to another, and being meet with a degree of suspicion that make the definition of paranoia blemish.
- Why dont you try some pronoïa for a change?
- As in fact warmly suggested in WIKI's for-starters-set-of-rules?
- The first encyclopedia was french and a success for centuries, the second was american and an immediate disaster.
- It made wars, created wars, usher wars, encourage wars and unjustice and discriminations, and the use of sovjet methods to shut the mouth of anyone having informations they disagreed with.
- Not a free platform to access and give free reliable data, but A Copy Conform of the United state of america, (the worse side of the US, if you want my meaning) it screams, it pretends, it wants, it use all the right words, but it doesn't work as it cant apply any of them.
- No one knew the meaning of those words nor what it imply, what egality was, only if used between its own pairs...
- Revert this archiving who is the worse case of hidding your crime I ever seen and a bad remake of the Watergate.
- I you want to hide documents and files do it somewhere else than on wikipedia, this place is supposed to inform and be a place where one can free dispose of informations and access them easely.
- Not a labyrinth or a jungle of false data one has to fight through to get the right document.
- You are doing the american way to corrupt data, versus the chineese.
- All can access all, but you control the contain of it all, for chineese it is all can access the part the government agree with.
- At the end the chineese are more honest, at least they anounce the colors and are conscious of it!
I want this englo american type of wiki attitude to be stoped and wikis rules to be really respected and not faint and used and abused as a mean to escape from "disturbing" informations, and from users stampled as "opponents", by using wikis rules, ment to protect all users rights, as weapons against them, not to insure they rights to express themselves, but to insure the suppression of those rights.
- WIKIPEDIA has become a dictatorship of small minded administrators who have no respect for freedom of speach nor equality, and who bugg this place and hinder it to function as it was once imagined to, and as it was once working as, before those buggs where everywhere.
The fact that they even bugg this kind of edits who denounce them and this very problematic situation in Wikipedia and for Wikipedia and wikipedians as a whole, and suppress it all together as was shown by my last edit is the proove that the situation is very serious. I want my last contribution who has been deleeted from the archive and from the historic to be reinserted and send to me personaly, as I intend to use it against WIKIPEDIA by sending it to ACLU, and using it against those small dictators who call themselves admi, by sending it to some person from the administration board as well as wikipedias' foundator.
- I will, on the basis of this, reinsert the last contributions who are at the end of the archive, except for the last one who has been completely deleeted, because of the real informations it contained, and that some found dangerous, in such a degree that they supressed it from the historic, which is an exception to wikipedia rules, who must always be abondantly founded, and who is specially worrying here as no reasons are given for it.
- The alone reasons advanced are those I have advanced myself as I was subject to attacks and therefor cannot be use to eleminate my own contribution and leave the agressor and his meaningless and insultiv edit there.
- If you consider all or part of my contribution who has been deleeted as a personal attack, I would like to know which part and whom you think it is attacking.
- If something is offending, I want a fair trail and the chance to can remove what is discussed on my own, as it is the proper way to do on all other wikipedias who do not use force nor abuse of power by admi, and who respect the wikipedian rules and have some respect for the freedom of expression and for the equality in the treatment of users, as well as wikipedians rights to have a different knowledge and a different opinion than any other wikipedian.
Mind the line on the grass,
Sophie
- sophie@nostromo.dk
--213.237.21.242 10:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The last 3 contributions from archive 1, are following, for the talk page to can fullfill its purpose and not be hindered by external forces to do so, and certainly not members of the church having internally elected one another to become administrators and be more and more inside wiki. No to the corruption of wikipedia.