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:The inclusion in the article of the so called "Szekely Land" map, a region which has no official status or recognition in Romania, is a blatant expression of irredentism on the part of [[User:Rokarudi|Rokarudi]], who should revise his nationalistic attitude on Wikipedia, and refrain from making such disruptive edits. [[User:Amon Koth|Amon Koth]] ([[User talk:Amon Koth|talk]]) 20:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC) |
:The inclusion in the article of the so called "Szekely Land" map, a region which has no official status or recognition in Romania, is a blatant expression of irredentism on the part of [[User:Rokarudi|Rokarudi]], who should revise his nationalistic attitude on Wikipedia, and refrain from making such disruptive edits. [[User:Amon Koth|Amon Koth]] ([[User talk:Amon Koth|talk]]) 20:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC) |
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== Csíkszereda == |
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Csíkszereda is how this town is know by the overwhelming majority of the population residing there. This has been the case for centuries. Csíkszereda is today just as Hungarian as it was when Transylvania was part of Hungary. |
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Csíkszereda is the most appropriate name for this Hungarian town, not "miercurea ciuc". |
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This is a very silly thing to start a discussion about, but as much as I would like to I have never seen "Ciuc" beer marketed as "Csíki" (assuming we're both talking about the înca-una-si-ma-duc beer). Do they do that outside Hargita? Perhaps we could also mention "Harghita " beer (also made in Csíkszereda), which seems to me to be much more popular in the upper Csík than "Ciuc" is . . .
Meaning of Csikszereda: the article states that the name means Castle of the Szekely in both Hungarian and German. I am a native speaker of Hungarian, and Csikszereda does not mean that. If anyone knows an explanation for that , it would be nice to include it in the article. Otherwise I would suggest to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.98.171 (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Szekely
Why do you remove "Szekely" from "Szekely Hungarians"? That's how they identify. It's not like I'm argueing that the Szekelys are not Hungarians, they're just a distinct branch of the Hungarians. bogdan 18:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that Szekelys are Szekelys, don't worry. And that's why I haven't touched the other parts of the article talking about Szekely culture. But I've checked the data of the 2002 census that the article cites at that point and it refers to Hungarians not Szekely Hungarians: http://www.recensamant.ro/
- Well, the Romanian census did not counted subgroups, so Szekelys were included in the figure for Hungarians, Lippovans were included in the figure for Russians, Aromanians in Romanians, etc. bogdan 18:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
OK, but have a look at the earlier sentence:
"According to the 2002 census the city has a population of 42,029, of whom 34,388 or 81.8% are Szekler Hungarians."
This is simply not what the census states. A commenting sentence can be always added but census data should be cited as it is. I think it'd be an acceptable compromise to have Hungarians at that one point and Szeklers at each other place in the article.
- Yes, that is a good idea. bogdan 20:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
The Szekely are Hungarians with a distinct culture. Romanian censuses counted them as Hungarians just like the Csango.It has indeed a population 81,8% Szekely despite Ceaucescu efforts to settle it with Romanians. They do identify themselves as Szekely and not as Hungarians so I think we should call them Szekely but explain the Szekely are Hungarians. --Jorgenpfhartogs (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
"Szekely land political map" in innapropriate place
This edit is the problem, it is promoting Hungarian irredentism. [1]
Arguments:
- "Szekely land" doesn`t exist anymore and it is not a geographical region (like Banat, Transylvania and others) as User:Rokarudi uses it in the lead sometimes. It was just a political entity that existed some time and now it doesn`t. It can be taken only as a cultural region at most.
- "Szekely land" is not a "reality" [2]. The UDMR political party lobbies to become a reality - the concept of territorial entity is illegal according to the constitution of Romania and the European Union. See this [3] for further explanation.
- "Szekely land" is listed as one of the irredentism movements in Europe. Please see this [4] under Europe/Hungarian. Note: "Szekely land" is a Hungarian claimed region in Transylvania, Romania.
If anyone can enter the discussion and clarify it further. Thank you. iadrian (talk)
- The inclusion in the article of the so called "Szekely Land" map, a region which has no official status or recognition in Romania, is a blatant expression of irredentism on the part of Rokarudi, who should revise his nationalistic attitude on Wikipedia, and refrain from making such disruptive edits. Amon Koth (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Csíkszereda
Csíkszereda is how this town is know by the overwhelming majority of the population residing there. This has been the case for centuries. Csíkszereda is today just as Hungarian as it was when Transylvania was part of Hungary.
Csíkszereda is the most appropriate name for this Hungarian town, not "miercurea ciuc".