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Thanks! Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:50, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Sorry your link got deleted . Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
edits
Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park is located in McGarry Township, as is McGarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve, shared with McFadden Township.( anyone , please add citation,? The source is ontario.ca and ontarioparks.com it is beyond my skill level. Tks.)[citation needed] Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- If you wish to edit Wikipedia you are going to have to learn to add references. On your talk page I had already pointed you to the help page on referencing, and told you that "ontario.ca" is not a useful citation. There are probably 10s of thousands pages there. Which one are you suggesting we use as a source? Meters (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Knowledge1253, put in the effort by reviewing the help page on referencing. It will become second nature very quickly. Hwy43 (talk) 02:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
https://www.ontarioparks.com/cr/mcgarrytownshipforestconservationreserve tks.
I do not learn fast. Tks for pointers. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)I put in my citations and they get deleted.
external links
What are inappropriate and appropriate external links? Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- WP:EL.Slatersteven (talk) 11:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, the editors of McGarry Township page are being biased and racist by deleting content Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- And you need to read wp:npa.Slatersteven (talk) 11:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
indigenous
Why are the ppl insisting on deleting info regarding the provincial parks? I providded citations1. Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- You may need to read wp:rs. As well as wp:crystal. Also, some of this looked like unsourced editorializing.Slatersteven (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanx. Too complicated pour moi. Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
The link to the government of Canada is a valid source. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- What link to the government of Canada? If you are referring to your "ontario.ca" link, that is the government of Ontario, not Canada, and is not a useful citation. Again,
there are probably 10s of thousands pages there. Which one are you suggesting we use as a source?
Meters (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park is located in McGarry Township, as is McGarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve, shared with McFadden Township.( anyone , please add citation,? The source is ontario.ca and ontarioparks.com it is beyond my skill level. Tks.)[citation needed] Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
https://www.ontarioparks.com/cr/mcgarrytownshipforestconservationreserve tks.
I do not learn fast. Tks for pointers. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC) copied from another thread by Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a valid source for the existence of the Forest Conservation Reserve, but you wrote "The link to the government of Canada is a valid source." Well, it's not a Canadian Government source as you claimed, and it says nothing about Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park. Meters (talk) 22:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Ontario is part of the Government of Canada. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- True, but (say) Quebec is not part of Ontario. Really this is getting to be wp:disruptive now. We can't and should not have to explain every point to you. At some point you have to be able to figure it out for yourself or you become a time sink, who just takes up our time for no benefit.Slatersteven (talk) 14:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. Ontario is a part of Canada, but that does not mean that an ontarioparks.com link is a Government of Canada source. If this disruption is intentional this is WP:TROLLING and if it's not intentional then this is becoming WP:CIR. Meters (talk) 20:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Did my best. No such word as try. Tried, not tired.Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC) today
redundant
Is it not redundant to say (copy n pasted) "Larder Lake is an incorporated municipal township[1] and eponymous constituent dispersed rural community[4] in Timiskaming District in Northeastern Ontario, Canada. It is located along Ontario Highway 66 and Ontario Highway 624 at the north-western part of the lake bearing the same name.[5][6][7] The area of the township is 229.65 km2 (88.67 sq mi)[8] and includes the geographic townships of Hearst, McVittie and Skead." LARDER LAKE TOWNSHIP IS EPONYMOUSSLY NAMED . AFTER A LAKE? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- We don't say that in this article. You should ask that question where ever you copied that from. Meters (talk) 09:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Tks. I found it in the related links suggestions at the bottom of the article.
Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC) Oooops. I mean related articles suggested at the bottom of the McGarry article.
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Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)Made revision without talk prior.Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- You don't have to have permission to make an edit, but continuing to make disruptive edits is a problem. His name may have been "McKay". It may have been "MacKay". Either way, your change to "MKay" is not helpful. Please be more careful. There's no way to tell from the page history whether the correct spelling is "McKay" or "MacKay" since both spellings were used in the original edit that added the material in 2018 [1]. The editor who added it was user:NorthernBorn, a WP:SPA editor who was active for all of one day, on this page alone, and his history section was improperly sourced and reads as if it was copied from elsewhere. If it was copied it was likely from https://www.mcgarry.ca/tourism-in-mcgarry-area/about-us That link was used to reference the starting "In 1906", and is now dead so we can't tell if it actually sourced the entire section. We also can't tell if the site allowed people to reuse material, but given that their current site is copyrighted, I doubt it.
- So, we have a large WP:SPA addition of an unsourced section of suspicious copyright status. I have attempted to verify the information without success. I will be removing it if no-one can find sources for it. Meters (talk) 08:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Even worse, their current home page https://www.mcgarry.ca/en/index.aspx also says: "FAIR USE NOTICE: This site may contain copyrighted material that has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of criminal justice, political, human rights, economic, democracy and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a fair use of any such copyrighted material as provided within the Copyright Act of Canada." Meters (talk) 09:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
The changes you make are not helpful. Your advice to look things up is overwhelming. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- My changes are not useful? Come off it. You attempted to fix an inconsistency in the spelling of someone's name ("MacKay" vs "McKay"), and then undid yourself but actually introduced the obvious error "MKay". I simply restored it to the original spelling and then attempted to analyze the inconsistency to see if I could determine which spelling was correct. And nowhere in this thread did I tell you to look something up. I simply asked you to be more careful.
- If you find my suggestions in other threads that you look things up is overwhelming, then you should probably not be adding material to Wikipedia. It is the responsibility of anyone adding material to Wikipedia to ensure that that the material is correct, neutral, and properly sourced. Dropping vague comments on talk pages and expecting (or worse yet, demanding) that other editors do the research, find the sources, and writeup the changes for you is not appropriate. That's the point I was trying to make without having to come right out and say so to your face.
- I've spent more than enough time on this article already. I'm really not inclined to do your work for you. Meters (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- I did a quick search and "MacKay" seemed to be correct. But as I said it was only a quick search. So what do RS use?Slatersteven (talk) 11:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- As I said, I've already unsuccessfully attempted to verify the history added by NorthernBorn. I've tagged the section, but if no-one can find reliable sources for the history eventually I will simply remove it. I also suspect that it was copied form a source which did not allow reuse. Meters (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I did a quick search and "MacKay" seemed to be correct. But as I said it was only a quick search. So what do RS use?Slatersteven (talk) 11:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Kearns
Who was the ville of VTown named after? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
What was J. T Kearns first name? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
John? Joseph? Justin? Jason? Jeremiah? JESUS? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Why don't you do some research and then add it to the article, with your sources? Meters (talk) 09:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Please read wp:forum. This talk page is for discussing improvements.Slatersteven (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
proper place name
Anyone wanna add the proper, commonly used, French Canadian name to Castle in the Sky? Castle in the Sky is not correct, nor is Cheminis Mountain. Is is named Mont Chaudron. Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know what "Castle in the Sky" refers to, but from what I can find both "Cheminis Mountain" and "Mont Chaudron" are used to refer to the same feature on the Ontario/Quebec border. But again, you seem to have the wrong talk page. We don't mention either "Castle in the Sky" or "Cheminis Mountain" in this article. Meters (talk) 09:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- "Mount Cheminis" is. But we need an RS for any other name. What is its official name?Slatersteven (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I must have searched for "Cheminis Mountain" as that was what Knowledge1253 listed. From what I can see Ontario calls it Mount Cheminis and Quebec calls it Mont Chaudron. This is an article about an Ontario location, but the hill is actually in Quebec. Both Chaudron and Cheminis are official names. The Quebec-Commission de Toponymie has listed the hill in the Canadian Geographical Names Database as "Mont Chaudron"[1] and as "Collines Cheminis"[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 20:42, January 8, 2022 (UTC)
- THen we need to do the same, and call it both.Slatersteven (talk) 10:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I must have searched for "Cheminis Mountain" as that was what Knowledge1253 listed. From what I can see Ontario calls it Mount Cheminis and Quebec calls it Mont Chaudron. This is an article about an Ontario location, but the hill is actually in Quebec. Both Chaudron and Cheminis are official names. The Quebec-Commission de Toponymie has listed the hill in the Canadian Geographical Names Database as "Mont Chaudron"[1] and as "Collines Cheminis"[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 20:42, January 8, 2022 (UTC)
- "Mount Cheminis" is. But we need an RS for any other name. What is its official name?Slatersteven (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Castle in the Sky refers to the monadnock feature in Quebec, referred to in the article as Cheminis Mountain. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Again, we don't use that name in this article. Why even mention "Castle in the Sky"? It's pointless and confusing. Meters (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note that wp:talk pages are for discussing ONLY the article they are the talk page for. Trying to discuss other articles not only confuses the matter but cannot be used to build consensus on that other article (as the people who edit there may not edit here). If you want to change that the other article says, you must raise it there.Slatersteven (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Mont Chaudron". Canadian Geographical Names Database. Government of Canada. Retrieved 8 January 2022.
- ^ "Collines Cheminis". Canadian Geographical Names Database. Government of Canada. Retrieved 8 January 2022.
Because Castle in the Sky is why is called Cheminis. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- This is irrelevant, we do not call it this, we do not mention this. It is nothing to do with this article, stop this now it is wp:disruptive. That was your last warning.Slatersteven (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
movie
Will the editors provide a link to The Giant Mine movie, produced by CBC Television, partially filmed in Virginiatown? Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have that link. Apparently you do. Why don't you add it yourself, or post it here for others to check if you are not sure if it is appropriate. Meters (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Mine Tks. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- That is a Wikipedia article about the mine. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and that is not a source for the existence of the movie. If there is a reliable source in that article about the move and you think it would be useful in this article then feel free to add it yourself. Meters (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I know how to add it here, this far. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Mine_(film) Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:49, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- OK, so now you are pointing to a different article, about a made for TV movie about the bombing of the Giant Mine, rather than one about the mine.. The mine is in the NWT. You claim the movie was filmed in Virginiatown, Ontario but you have given us no source to verify that, and the article about the movie does not even mention that fact, let alone provide a reliable source. The only mention I can find for the filming location is Kirkland Lake, not Virginiatown.
- Even if this were sourced. I suspect it would be better off in the article about the movie, rather than as trivia in the article about the locale. Meters (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- You need to read wp:v.Slatersteven (talk) 10:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
yes master.
I demand you restore the paragraph on their land claim, with cited source from ontario.ca. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Beaverhouse First Nation Community (Treaty 9)
Location: Northeast of Kirkland Lake Claim type: Reserve Land
Beaverhouse First Nation Community submitted a claim to Ontario on July 5, 2018, asserting the community is a distinct First Nation and did not sign Treaty 9, or any other treaty. On April 18, 2019, Ontario advised Beaverhouse First Nation Community that it will complete an assessment of the claim submission within three years. [1][2]
Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:24, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
You should request this edit on the article's Talk Page, not here. However, I recommend apologizing to the other editors for your behavior and being polite in your requests. That's the best way to move forward. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
"110 years later, Beaverhouse First Nation still has no land chief tells minister". TimminsToday.com. Retrieved 2022-01-06. "Current land claims". ontario.ca. Retrieved 2022-01-06. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- behaviour. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- "Yes master"? We're all volunteers. That attitude is not likely to convince people to help you. You have already been told more than one that references such as "ontario.ca" are not useful, and pointed to the help page on referencing. Either do it yourself properly, or provide us with the full reference. Meters (talk) 08:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Then lets wait for three years, and if it is found valid we can mention it. Right now this is just a claim, one that has not been accepted as valid yet (as far as I can find out not by the Wabun Tribal Council either).Slatersteven (talk) 13:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I have posted the link to Mcgarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve more than once in response to you, Meters. I do not want to be redundant. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
And yet again, another one asked for and deleted https://www.ontario.ca/page/current-land-claims
Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Sorry. Still learning.Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Again, the prolbom is, this is only a claim. THus may fail wp:undue. When it is found valid lets include it.Slatersteven (talk) 10:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
The land claim is separate from the provincial parks. I propose The provincial parks, Mcgarry Township Forest Forest Conservation Reserve and Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Park become Indigenous Protected and Conserved Area, an IPCA. https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/nature-legacy/indigenous-leadership-funding.html Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I do not see where Mcgarry or Maple even occur as words in this source.Slatersteven (talk) 13:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This source is to explain what an IPCA is. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- So what does this have to do with this article?Slatersteven (talk) 14:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Tourism. Knowledge1253 (talk) 15:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- BUt if these parks are not mentioned we cannot use it for information about them. You need a source saying that they are IPCA's.Slatersteven (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
They aren't, yet. IPCA's are very new. They are provincial parks right now. Knowledge1253 (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- And until they are we can't say hey are.Slatersteven (talk) 18:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
we can mention them, just not IPCA. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- We can say they exist yes, not ther status.Slatersteven (talk) 19:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
The parks can be mentioned in tourism. They are provincial parks in the Township. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
McGarry Township Forest
https://www.ontario.ca/page/mcgarry-township-forest-conservation-reserve-management-statement this is the website to use as citation. Or this one https://www.ontarioparks.com/cr/mcgarrytownshipforestconservationreserve Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- What for? You need to say what you want to use it for.Slatersteven (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
In the tourism sub heading Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:40, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I know you want to use it, what do you think it supports?Slatersteven (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Tourism attractions. the fish derby is mentioned. Why not the provincial park?
Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- The first source can be used to say that The McGarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve (which I am unsure we even mention) is used for fishing, hunting and trapping for permit holders. But not for Lander Lake which is "which are in close proximity to the conservation reserve" (or in other words not part of it. Your other source does not mention tourism.Slatersteven (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- So again we go back to read wp:v and read the sources you want to use as well.Slatersteven (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
The parks need to be mentioned , and the website is a proper source. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- We do mention them, the CN tag is for activities (I assume).Slatersteven (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Gem Lake
https://www.ontarioparks.com/park/gemlakemaplebedrock citation needed for tourism McGarry. Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- No one is saying it does not exist. What do you think this supports?Slatersteven (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Inclusion into the tourism section. Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I know you want to use it, what do you think it supports?Slatersteven (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
It said citation needed. Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, and the cite must support it, so it must be about tourism. We can't keep explaining to you every time about wp:v and why your latest source does not say what you are citing it for, at some point wp:coi comes into play.Slatersteven (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Neither of the two things you mentioned above come into play. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- What? does your source mention anything about tourism, if so can you quote it as I failed to find it?Slatersteven (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
https://www.ontario.ca/page/gem-lake-maple-bedrock-provincial-park-management-statement tourism and recreation in here. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Sport fishing is permitted within Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park. Any sport fishing activity is governed by the legislation and regulations in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act (1997), as well as the federal Fisheries Act (1985). The Recreational Fishing Regulations Summary (Northeastern, Division 19) contains more information regarding general regulations and exceptions to these regulations for the area of this park ( Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- That is better.Slatersteven (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Learning.
Knowledge1253 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
reference 20
Is a dead link. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Several small businesses are operated out of McGarry.[1] Knowledge1253 (talk) 15:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I just removed that mention. I couldn't find a source for it anywhere and is not an encyclopedic mention, in my view. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 18:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
sacred stones
Source mentions the narrows. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Do they say the stones were sacred?Slatersteven (talk) 20:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Significance. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Do the sources say they are sacred, yes or no?Slatersteven (talk) 21:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
No Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
The alignments tell us they are. And cycles.
Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- ^ "Local Businesses". Township of McGarry. Retrieved July 16, 2019.