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::::And that needs to be decided by reliable sources. Judging his religion based on a puranam is [[WP:OR]]. We can't say all Indians were either Hindus or Muslims that time, there were many other religions including, jainism, buddhism, atheism, christianity at that time. In general, there are enough indications to know that what was the religion of the person that time, such as [[Guru Nanak]] in those days, he is referred as born a Hindu by sources. But if reliable sources don't mention the religion then it means that the former religion is unclear. We can change back to [[:Category:Converts to Islam]] as supported by the source. [[User:Ratnahastin|Ratnahastin]]([[User talk:Ratnahastin|t]].[[Special:Contributions/Ratnahastin|c]]) 03:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
::::And that needs to be decided by reliable sources. Judging his religion based on a puranam is [[WP:OR]]. We can't say all Indians were either Hindus or Muslims that time, there were many other religions including, jainism, buddhism, atheism, christianity at that time. In general, there are enough indications to know that what was the religion of the person that time, such as [[Guru Nanak]] in those days, he is referred as born a Hindu by sources. But if reliable sources don't mention the religion then it means that the former religion is unclear. We can change back to [[:Category:Converts to Islam]] as supported by the source. [[User:Ratnahastin|Ratnahastin]]([[User talk:Ratnahastin|t]].[[Special:Contributions/Ratnahastin|c]]) 03:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::For example, when Muhammad Ali or Michael Jackson or Cat Stevens embraced Islam, they did not declare in the template, I am going to convert from 'XYZ'. We infer from the upbringing, name, family, reputed sources, interviews etc. Especially within India's Hindu majority setup, as per constitution anyone [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkloAulkVcA who is NOT Muslim/Christian/Parsi/Jew is considered (yes, including Buddhists and Sikhs) as Hindu]. [http://sevasadancollege.com/elearning/pdf_file/1520053996hindu%20law%20Unit%201-5.pdf Even if a Muslim in India gives up his religion and is yet to adopt a new faith can still be considered as Hindu as per constitution]. BUT, here it's not even that (i.e. from Sikh or Buddhist family etc.). So, one should bring 'evidence' to show that one was actually NOT a Hindu (i.e if he was a Parsi/Jew/etc). You have similarly removed categories from many pages, please revert those for which there are enough sources. [[User:Loveall.human|Loveall.human]] ([[User talk:Loveall.human|talk]]) 04:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
:::::For example, when Muhammad Ali or Michael Jackson or Cat Stevens embraced Islam, they did not declare in the template, I am going to convert from 'XYZ'. We infer from the upbringing, name, family, reputed sources, interviews etc. Especially within India's Hindu majority setup, as per constitution anyone [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkloAulkVcA who is NOT Muslim/Christian/Parsi/Jew is considered (yes, including Buddhists and Sikhs) as Hindu]. [http://sevasadancollege.com/elearning/pdf_file/1520053996hindu%20law%20Unit%201-5.pdf Even if a Muslim in India gives up his religion and is yet to adopt a new faith can still be considered as Hindu as per constitution]. BUT, here it's not even that (i.e. from Sikh or Buddhist family etc.). So, one should bring 'evidence' to show that one was actually NOT a Hindu (i.e if he was a Parsi/Jew/etc). You have similarly removed categories from many pages, please revert those for which there are enough sources. [[User:Loveall.human|Loveall.human]] ([[User talk:Loveall.human|talk]]) 04:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::See [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:SYNTH]]. Michael Jackson never embraced Islam though. Can you stay on the topic? [[User:Ratnahastin|Ratnahastin]]([[User talk:Ratnahastin|t]].[[Special:Contributions/Ratnahastin|c]]) 04:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Please only add those facts with credible references. --Altruism 10:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mr Altruism,
Vepachedu pages are a poor source of Telugu history. For years, the draft histroy is incomplete. In addition, many comments of Vepachedu betray his bias and prejudice to certain communities. Many of his remarks lack historical basis. It is unfortunate that his webpages are widely referred by certain groups elated by "glorious" accounts given by Vepachedu. Please delete Vepachedu references and add books by Kotha Bhavaiah Choudary and M. Somasekhara Sarma.
Gannama Nayak (Malik Maqbul) was not a treacherous person. He was captured along with Prataparudra, Harihara, Bukka, Jagannatha Pandit etc by Ulugh Khan and taken to Delhi. Prataparudra committed suicide on the way. The others were converted to Islam. Harihara & Bukka weere sent to Dwarasamudram to put down Hoysala rebellion. They reconverted to Hinduism and established Vijayanagar empire. Maqbul (Gannama Nayak) did not have this opportunity as he was sent to far-away Multan to administer Sindh. He proved his worth there. He was sent to Warangal as a Governor when Musunuri Kapaya Nayak asserted independence, because Gamnnama was familiar with Warangal. However, Kapaya repulsed Gannama's attack. It is possible that Gannama made a half-hearted attack on his fellow Nayak. Both were together earlier serving Prataparudra. Later, Maqbul was sent to Gujarat where again he proved his worth. He was taken into Sultan's court and earned a great name as a capable Wazir. He was given the honour "Khan-i-Jahan". He died a natural death and a big mausoleum was bulit in his honour, which stands to this day, near Nizamuddin railway station in Delhi.Kumarrao 12:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Unsubstantiated edits
Dear 220.226.199.10,
Do not edit without giving reason and supporting citations. The original article is based on large number of sources including those of muslim historians. Take an Username and do your edits after discssing on this page.Kumarrao (talk) 07:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition
Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 15:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Conversion
Gannama was captured along with King Prataparudra. The choice for them was conversion to Islam or being flayed alive. The king chose to commit suicide. Gannama was converted under pressure.Kumarrao (talk) 10:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Gannama was not castrated. There was no such reference in the book by M.S. Sarma.122.175.82.141 (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
july
@Kautilya3: Where in the article it claims that he converted from Hinduism? Yes, the conversion took place but where does the source say he was a "Hindu". Can you cite a WP:HISTRS which clearly say that he converted from Hinduism to Islam? What I removed was just a blocked sock's edit, not supported by the source. Ratnahastin(t.c) 12:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- You won't find any sources saying he was a "Hindu" because the term "Hinduism" didn't exist then. But that was the religion (in modern parlance) that was practised in Andhra at that time. If you have any doubt if he was a practising Hindu or not, the fact he commissioned a translation of Markandeya Puranam should settle the issue. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- And that needs to be decided by reliable sources. Judging his religion based on a puranam is WP:OR. We can't say all Indians were either Hindus or Muslims that time, there were many other religions including, jainism, buddhism, atheism, christianity at that time. In general, there are enough indications to know that what was the religion of the person that time, such as Guru Nanak in those days, he is referred as born a Hindu by sources. But if reliable sources don't mention the religion then it means that the former religion is unclear. We can change back to Category:Converts to Islam as supported by the source. Ratnahastin(t.c) 03:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- For example, when Muhammad Ali or Michael Jackson or Cat Stevens embraced Islam, they did not declare in the template, I am going to convert from 'XYZ'. We infer from the upbringing, name, family, reputed sources, interviews etc. Especially within India's Hindu majority setup, as per constitution anyone who is NOT Muslim/Christian/Parsi/Jew is considered (yes, including Buddhists and Sikhs) as Hindu. Even if a Muslim in India gives up his religion and is yet to adopt a new faith can still be considered as Hindu as per constitution. BUT, here it's not even that (i.e. from Sikh or Buddhist family etc.). So, one should bring 'evidence' to show that one was actually NOT a Hindu (i.e if he was a Parsi/Jew/etc). You have similarly removed categories from many pages, please revert those for which there are enough sources. Loveall.human (talk) 04:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- See WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Michael Jackson never embraced Islam though. Can you stay on the topic? Ratnahastin(t.c) 04:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- And that needs to be decided by reliable sources. Judging his religion based on a puranam is WP:OR. We can't say all Indians were either Hindus or Muslims that time, there were many other religions including, jainism, buddhism, atheism, christianity at that time. In general, there are enough indications to know that what was the religion of the person that time, such as Guru Nanak in those days, he is referred as born a Hindu by sources. But if reliable sources don't mention the religion then it means that the former religion is unclear. We can change back to Category:Converts to Islam as supported by the source. Ratnahastin(t.c) 03:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)