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::Rather than repeatedly re-inserting contested text, please follow [[WP:BRD]] and discuss this to try to unravel what these difft refs refer to. That means discuss it to reach consensus, not make a brief comment and reinstate the contested text. Thanks. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC) |
::Rather than repeatedly re-inserting contested text, please follow [[WP:BRD]] and discuss this to try to unravel what these difft refs refer to. That means discuss it to reach consensus, not make a brief comment and reinstate the contested text. Thanks. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC) |
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Hang on, BHG are you trying to say you suspect there are ''two'' separate groups of hybrid busses being used here? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC) |
Hang on, BHG are you trying to say you suspect there are ''two'' separate groups of hybrid busses being used here? [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 20:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:As above, that's one possible interpretation. Another possibility is that the deployment announced in Dec 2008 did not happen that month, and was being discussed again in July 2009 as a future deployment. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 05:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC) |
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* BHG's objections seem incoherent, claiming that the sources disagree and are too much the same. There doesn't seem to be any case to answer. [[User:Colonel Warden|Colonel Warden]] ([[User talk:Colonel Warden|talk]]) 23:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC) |
* BHG's objections seem incoherent, claiming that the sources disagree and are too much the same. There doesn't seem to be any case to answer. [[User:Colonel Warden|Colonel Warden]] ([[User talk:Colonel Warden|talk]]) 23:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC) |
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*:Col W, if you want to to cite references, please can you try to make a serious effort to assess what they actually mean rather than just making caustic comments? |
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*:I'll try putting some of the points to you again, and I'll start with just one of the problems. |
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*:AFAICS, none of the sources appears to support your assertion that the buses were deployed in March 2009. Where is your source for that? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 05:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC) |
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Use of hybrids on the E8
I have just removed from this article a few sentences of referenced material on the deployment of hybrids on the E8, because it it synthesises two refs from Dec 2008 ('Hounslow Brentford Times' Dec 2008, Mayor's press release Dec 2008) with a third ref (The Engineer July 2009) to produce a result which is not supported by the sources.
The Hounslow Brentford Times article from Dec 2008 is about 25 hybrid buses to be deployed in London that month, of which five are on the E8 (another 18 were to be added later in 2009 on difft routes in London). The Mayor's press release confirms the 25 hybrids-with-18-to-follow
'The Engineer' article from July 2009 namechecks the E8 once, in para 5, where it is the second of two routes mentioned; but it refers to five hybrid buses on the E8, out of ten across London, and says that they "will" be deployed.
So what's going on here? Do we have on the E8:
- a trial of 5 hybrids, announced Dec 2008 as about to begin that month ('Hounslow Brentford Times' Dec 2008, Mayor's press release Dec 2008), but which actually began some time after July 2009 ('The Engineer')... or
- Two separate trials on the E8 of five buses each, one beginning in Dec 2008 as part of 25-hybrids-across-London, the other after July 2009 as part of 10-hybrids-across-London
The text which I removed included an assertion that the buses were deployed in March 2009; I can find nothing in any of the 3 sources to confirm that. The word "March" appears in only one of the 3 sources: it is used once in the Mayor's press release Dec 2008: "TfL is committed to a longer term programme that will see a further 300 new hybrid buses joining the fleet by the end of March 2011.
The material I removed says "The first of the hybrid buses appeared in the route in late March 2009. These buses use regenerative braking to store energy when they brake and so they consume less fuel and emit less pollutants than conventional buses." However, the regenerative braking angle is mentioned only in the The Engineer July 2009, and as above it is unclear whether that refers to the same buses.
If this material is to be used in the article, it needs acknowledge the incompatibilities between the sources, and not conflate them all into one whole. However, given the incompatibilities, it would be better to seek further sources to clarify what's actually going on.
It seems that 'The Engineer' article from July 2009 may be based on somebody's press release, because a substantially similar (tho not identical) story appears on GreenCarSite 02 July 2009. I wonder how much fact-checking went into either article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:40, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- News articles about the same event will naturally contain similar content. Such agreement is good evidence that the facts are correct. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- Please can you read my comments above. The different articles do not assert the same facts; they may be contradicting each other, or may be referring to different events. Also note that one of statements in your edit is not supported by any of the refs.
- Rather than repeatedly re-inserting contested text, please follow WP:BRD and discuss this to try to unravel what these difft refs refer to. That means discuss it to reach consensus, not make a brief comment and reinstate the contested text. Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Hang on, BHG are you trying to say you suspect there are two separate groups of hybrid busses being used here? Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- As above, that's one possible interpretation. Another possibility is that the deployment announced in Dec 2008 did not happen that month, and was being discussed again in July 2009 as a future deployment. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- BHG's objections seem incoherent, claiming that the sources disagree and are too much the same. There doesn't seem to be any case to answer. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
- Col W, if you want to to cite references, please can you try to make a serious effort to assess what they actually mean rather than just making caustic comments?
- I'll try putting some of the points to you again, and I'll start with just one of the problems.
- AFAICS, none of the sources appears to support your assertion that the buses were deployed in March 2009. Where is your source for that? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)