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* '''Support''' Inclusion. The ranking though is probably incorrect. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 20:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC) |
* '''Support''' Inclusion. The ranking though is probably incorrect. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 20:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::Definition of '''verified''' from [[oldest people]] page: "This is a list of tables of the verified '''oldest people''' in the world in ordinal ranks. In these tables, a [[supercentenarian]] is considered 'verified' if his or her claim has been validated by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research, such as the [[Gerontology Research Group]] (GRG) or ''[[Guinness World Records]]'' (GWR)." The fact that someone is famous or has gained some degree of notoriety does not verify their age. [[Zhou Youguang]] is an '''unverified''' Asian supercentenarian and does not belong on this list. TFBCT1 00:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
::Definition of '''verified''' from [[oldest people]] page: "This is a list of tables of the verified '''oldest people''' in the world in ordinal ranks. In these tables, a [[supercentenarian]] is considered 'verified' if his or her claim has been validated by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research, such as the [[Gerontology Research Group]] (GRG) or ''[[Guinness World Records]]'' (GWR)." The fact that someone is famous or has gained some degree of notoriety does not verify their age. [[Zhou Youguang]] is an '''unverified''' Asian supercentenarian and does not belong on this list. TFBCT1 00:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::: So you redefined the terminology while ignoring the discussion section below to specifically exclude the claim? Seems like a lowball way to get a win to me. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 01:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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In fact there is no support for his birth date at all. It hasn't been verified by the GRG. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/107.72.97.94|107.72.97.94]] ([[User talk:107.72.97.94|talk]]) 00:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
In fact there is no support for his birth date at all. It hasn't been verified by the GRG. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/107.72.97.94|107.72.97.94]] ([[User talk:107.72.97.94|talk]]) 00:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::So his birthdate was fine until 3 days ago, sourced to normal stuff like books and newspaper accounts but now he needs to check in with GRG or we can't believe his age. Of course since GRG does not accept Chinese documentation that will never work. So now we have IPs removing his unverified B-date over and over. Change the criteria description if it conflicts with how we normally do things at Wikipedia. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 00:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
::So his birthdate was fine until 3 days ago, sourced to normal stuff like books and newspaper accounts but now he needs to check in with GRG or we can't believe his age. Of course since GRG does not accept Chinese documentation that will never work. So now we have IPs removing his unverified B-date over and over. Change the criteria description if it conflicts with how we normally do things at Wikipedia. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 00:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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Not even a cententarian.
There is some weird evidence that Susannah Mushatt Jones, the currently claimed oldest people on the Earth is just an age cheater. See Microsoft's high profile analysis at http://kepfeltoltes.hu/150922/howold_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png I've used her picture from http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/06/susannah-mushatt-jones-birthday-116-worlds-oldest-person-guinness-world-records/29758893/, when she turned to 113 on the picture. Here the difference of the ages is huge: 113-91=22 years. 94.247.94.237 (talk) 20:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
- No comment. EEng (talk) 22:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
- Facial recognition software is not a reliable way to determine someones age, especially on a picture where said persons face is obscured greatly by giant sunglasses. 71.12.161.156 (talk) 00:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- That's right. The only scientifically accepted method is to cut the person open and count the rings. EEng (talk) 02:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- Nothing? No one? Not even outrage from the humorless? EEng (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Nah, had the exact same offer made about me recently when I won my age group in a road race. 8| DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm often thought of as humourless because I don't usually "get" jokes and I dislike statements grounded in sexism/ageism/sizeism/other isms. In this case I thought the statement was funny (if perhaps a bit tasteless) given the absurdity of this whole section. However, if you want outrage I'm sure I can come up with some for you. Ca2james (talk) 14:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Nothing? No one? Not even outrage from the humorless? EEng (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- That's right. The only scientifically accepted method is to cut the person open and count the rings. EEng (talk) 02:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
unverfied and Limbo cases
Where is it possible to find this cases since middle of Aug 2015? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.101.10.132 (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Can anybody give me an answer to that question? Who knows, where I can find all this cases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.195.149 (talk) 10:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
oldest human
There is a man in Turkey who named Mehmet Esen. He is 130 years old currently. And also he is W-W-1 veteran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.186.209.104 (talk) 16:41, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please provide independent, reliable sources about his birth date. From there, there's a separate issue of whether it can go here or at Longevity claims or elsewhere. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Reported death
According to the 110 Club forum (blacklisted for links) "I'm so sad to announce you that Mrs. Maria (called Margitì) Crescini wid. Carrara passed away today (at the age of 111 years and 331 days) in Riva di Solto, province of Bergamo, Lombardy Region, Italy. She was born on 20th January 1904 in the same village. Margitì was the 27th Oldest Supercentenarian Ever in Italy. GRG correspondents for Italy, unfortunately, are waiting for this news because, one week ago, the daughter of Margitì told me (on the phone) that situation was suddenly precipitated. RIP cara Margitì" to which Coyote77 Posted: Dec 17 2015, 06:47 PM posted this bit of humor "Unexpected for me. She looked well in he pictures of the GRG gallery. Rest in peace."
I also just can't believe that someone nearly 112 years old died... they looked so old and still breathing in photos to be taken so young. Legacypac (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Global vs American - big discrepancies
Could someone please explain why these two lists are so far out of sync? Legacypac (talk) 12:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
From this page minus the non-Americans
Rank | Name | Sex | Birth date | Age as of 13 May 2024 | Place of residence |
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1 | Susannah Mushatt Jones[1][2] | F | 6 July 1899 | 124 years, 312 days | United States |
14 | Goldie Michelson[2] | F | 8 August 1902 | 121 years, 279 days | United States[a] |
16 | Helen Wheat[2] | F | 16 September 1902 | 121 years, 240 days | United States |
20 | Adele Dunlap[2] | F | 12 December 1902 | 121 years, 153 days | United States |
23 | Irene Zito Ciuffoletti[2] | F | 19 January 1903 | 121 years, 115 days | United States[b] |
29 | Sina Hayes[2] | F | 27 June 1903 | 120 years, 321 days | United States |
32 | Viola Jacobi[2] | F | 25 July 1903 | 120 years, 293 days | United States |
34 | Delphine Gibson[2] | F | 17 August 1903 | 120 years, 270 days | United States |
35 | Ila Jones[2] | F | 21 August 1903 | 120 years, 266 days | United States |
42 | Foy Ingram[2] | F | 28 November 1903 | 120 years, 167 days | United States |
43 | Ethel Boltz[2] | F | 2 December 1903 | 120 years, 163 days | United States |
44 | Tameko Shijo[2] | F | 1 January 1904 | 120 years, 133 days | United States[c] |
46 | Edna Lawler[2] | F | 13 January 1904 | 120 years, 121 days | United States |
Living American supercentenarians
Below is a list of supercentenarians living in the United States.
Name | Sex | Birthdate | Age as of 13 May 2024 | Birthplace | Residence | |
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Susannah Mushatt Jones[2] | F | July 6, 1899 | 124 years, 312 days | Alabama | New York | |
Goldie Michelson[2] | F | August 8, 1902 | 121 years, 279 days | Russia[d] | Massachusetts | |
Helen Wheat[2] | F | September 16, 1902 | 121 years, 240 days | Pennsylvania | Maryland | |
Adele Dunlap[2] | F | December 12, 1902 | 121 years, 153 days | New Jersey | New Jersey | |
Irene Ciuffoletti[2] | F | January 19, 1903 | 121 years, 115 days | Italy | Pennsylvania | Missing off global list |
Sina Hayes[2] | F | June 27, 1903 | 120 years, 321 days | North Carolina | North Carolina | |
Viola Jacobi[2] | F | July 25, 1903 | 120 years, 293 days | Wisconsin | Wisconsin | |
Delphine Gibson[2] | F | August 17, 1903 | 120 years, 270 days | South Carolina | Pennsylvania | |
Ila Jones[2] | F | August 21, 1903 | 120 years, 266 days | Georgia | Georgia | |
Foy Ingram[2] | F | November 28, 1903 | 120 years, 167 days | North Carolina | North Carolina | |
Ethel Boltz[2] | F | December 2, 1903 | 120 years, 163 days | West Virginia | West Virginia | |
Tameko Shijo[2] | F | January 1, 1904 | 120 years, 133 days | Japan | California | |
Edna Lawler[2] | F | January 13, 1904 | 120 years, 121 days | Indiana | Illinois | |
Fanny Thornton[3] | F | February 11, 1904 | 120 years, 92 days | Georgia | Georgia | From here on down are all missing |
Vera Van Wagner[4] | F | May 24, 1904 | 119 years, 355 days | New York | New York | |
Helma Graham[5] | F | June 28, 1904 | 119 years, 320 days | New York | Florida | |
Alberta Lyles[6] | F | August 20, 1904 | 119 years, 267 days | North Carolina | North Carolina | |
Lessie Brown[7] | F | September 22, 1904 | 119 years, 234 days | Georgia | Ohio | |
Emma Hough[8] | F | December 2, 1904 | 119 years, 163 days | Iowa | Iowa | |
Maggie Kidd[9] | F | December 8, 1904 | 119 years, 157 days | Georgia | Georgia | |
Veta[10] Walters[11] | F | December 14, 1904 | 119 years, 151 days | Jamaica | New York | |
Ruth Adler[12] | F | January 11, 1905 | 119 years, 123 days | Illinois | Illinois | |
Bessie Porter[13] | F | January 31, 1905 | 119 years, 103 days | Alabama | Michigan | |
Leta Nolen[14] | F | February 17, 1905 | 119 years, 86 days | Arkansas | Arkansas | |
Clarina Hudon[15][16] | F | March 4, 1905 | 119 years, 70 days | Canada | New Hampshire | |
Mary Spingola[17] | F | March 25, 1905 | 119 years, 49 days | New York | California | |
Tressa Bartholomew[18] | F | March 30, 1905 | 119 years, 44 days | Iowa | Iowa | |
Sarah Raymond[19] | F | April 16, 1905 | 119 years, 27 days | Maryland | New York | |
Katherine Bodenbender[20] | F | April 19, 1905 | 119 years, 24 days | Germany | Illinois | |
Felix Simoneaux[21] | M | May 24, 1905 | 118 years, 355 days | Louisiana | Louisiana | |
Mattie Cisrow[22] | F | May 30, 1905 | 118 years, 349 days | Georgia | Florida | |
Chrystal Harper[23] | F | June 28, 1905 | 118 years, 320 days | Idaho | Idaho | |
Clara Anderson[24] | F | July 2, 1905 | 118 years, 316 days | Missouri | Alaska | |
Alelia Murphy[25] | F | July 6, 1905 | 118 years, 312 days | North Carolina | New York | |
Roberta Farris[26] | F | July 19, 1905 | 118 years, 299 days | Texas | Texas | |
Molly Schmidt[27] | F | July 22, 1905 | 118 years, 296 days | Canada | Washington | |
Ruby Clodfelter[28] | F | July 26, 1905 | 118 years, 292 days | North Carolina | North Carolina | |
Agnes Fenton[29] | F | August 1, 1905 | 118 years, 286 days | Mississippi | New Jersey | |
Lena Dick[30] | F | August 5, 1905 | 118 years, 282 days | Minnesota | Minnesota | |
Armida Sholar[31] | F | August 9, 1905 | 118 years, 278 days | South Carolina | North Carolina | |
Hester Ford[32] | F | August 15, 1905 | 118 years, 272 days | North Carolina | North Carolina | |
Iris Westman | F | August 28, 1905 | 118 years, 259 days | North Dakota | North Dakota | |
Carlos Valenzuela Castro[33] | M | September 24, 1905 | 118 years, 232 days | Peru | New Jersey | |
Juliana Koo[34] | F | September 26, 1905 | 118 years, 230 days | China | New York | |
Mary Marsh[35] | F | October 8, 1905 | 118 years, 218 days | Virginia | Virginia | |
Frank Levingston[36] | M | November 13, 1905 | 118 years, 182 days | North Carolina | Louisiana | |
Maggie DeVane[37] | F | November 17, 1905 | 118 years, 178 days | North Carolina | North Carolina |
Also missing here:
Living French supercentenarians
Below is a list of the oldest living people from France. Only 7 of the 14 are on the global list here.
Name | Sex | Birth date | Age as of 13 May 2024 | Region or Country of birth | Region of residence |
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Eudoxie Baboul[40] | F | 1 October 1901 | 122 years, 225 days | French Guiana | French Guiana |
Thérèse Ladigue[40] | F | 15 February 1903 | 121 years, 88 days | Rhône-Alpes | Rhône-Alpes |
Elisabeth Collot[40] | F | 21 June 1903 | 120 years, 327 days | Champagne-Ardenne | Rhône-Alpes |
Honorine Rondello[40] | F | 28 July 1903 | 120 years, 290 days | Brittany | Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur |
Mélanie Leblais[40] | F | 4 September 1903 | 120 years, 252 days | Pays de la Loire | Pays de la Loire |
Mathilde Dupray[40] | F | 31 October 1903 | 120 years, 195 days | Upper Normandy | Brittany |
Henriette Bouef[40] | F | 4 November 1903 | 120 years, 191 days | Champagne-Ardenne | Champagne-Ardenne |
Renée Boisseau[41] | F | 3 December 1904 | 119 years, 162 days | Centre | Centre |
Marie-Antoinette Radix[42] | F | 7 December 1904 | 119 years, 158 days | ? | Rhône-Alpes |
Marie-Claire Brissaud[43][44] | F | 12 March 1905 | 119 years, 62 days | Poitou-Charentes | Poitou-Charentes |
Mathilde Lartigue[45] | F | 24 March 1905 | 119 years, 50 days | Languedoc-Roussillon | Languedoc-Roussillon |
Madeleine Ragon[46] | F | 27 March 1905 | 119 years, 47 days | Île-de-France | Picardy |
Roger Gouzy[47] | M | 23 July 1905 | 118 years, 295 days | Languedoc-Roussillon | Languedoc-Roussillon |
Léontine Rousselot[48] | F | 23 July 1905 | 118 years, 295 days | Brittany | Brittany |
- The GRG table updates are haphazard, screwy and inconsistent? It's rare that the As of template (if there is one) is correctly updated to reflect the reality. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:59, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
References
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
Guinness
was invoked but never defined (see the help page). - ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z "Supercentenarian Data -- Table E". Gerontology Research Group. 13 October 2015. Retrieved 13 October 2015.
- ^ "Woman celebrates 110th birthday". DothanFirst. Retrieved 2014-04-26.
- ^ "VIDEO: Dutchess County resident turns 110 years old". Poughkeepsiejournal.com. Retrieved 2014-07-13.
- ^ "Seminole Resident Is 110 Years Old! A Supercentenarian". Iontb.Com. 2014-06-28. Retrieved 2014-07-13.
- ^ "110 Years Young: Alberta Lyles still walks on her own and enjoys sewing, reading and church". journalnow.com.
- ^ "CH resident Lessie Brown celebrates 110th birthday". heightsobserver.org. 2014-10-31.
- ^ "Upper Iowa University – UIU celebrates oldest living alumna's 110th birthday". uiu.edu.
- ^ "Riverdale resident celebrates 110th birthday". www.news-daily.com. 2014-12-12.
- ^ "A Radiant Smile at 110". ICSNY. Retrieved 7 April 2015.
- ^ "Brooklyn woman marks special birthday – her 110th". ABC7 New York.
- ^ Natalie Bomke (January 11, 2015). "Chicago woman celebrates 110th birthday". myfoxla.com.
- ^ "Family marks matriarch's 110th birthday". The News Herald. Southgate, MI. 2015-02-05.
- ^ "People Directory, Find People Online, Last Names – USA People Search". usa-people-search.com.
- ^ "At 110, Nashua's Mimi Hudon puts the 'super' in 'supercentenarian'". Nashua Telegraph.
- ^ "Resident marks 107th birthday". cabinet.com.
- ^ Alicia Doyle (March 25, 2013). "Thousand Oaks resident Mary Spingola turns 108". VCS.
- ^ "Legislator recognizes 110th birthday of Carlisle woman". Radio Iowa. 2015-03-30.
- ^ "110th Birthday Celebration". afro.com.
- ^ "At 110, Katie Bodenbender's days are filled with prayer, music and laughter". Quad-Cities Online.
- ^ "5 generations: 110th birthday". lobservateur.com.
- ^ "Video: Happy 110th Birthday Miss Mattie!". Florida Today. May 28, 2015.
- ^ Tony Evans (July 1, 2015). "Bellevue resident Harper turns 110". Idaho Mountain Express. Retrieved September 12, 2015.
- ^ Naomi Klouda (July 7, 2015). "Homer's centenarian Clara Anderson turns 110 – Homer Tribune". homertribune.com.
- ^ "Alelia Murphy celebrates 110th birthday". amsterdamnews.com. July 9, 2015.
- ^ Judith McGinnis (July 18, 2015). "After 110 years, beloved educator continues a full life". TRN.
- ^ Nina Culver (July 23, 2015). "Ritzville woman celebrates 110th birthday – Spokesman.com – July 23, 2015". Spokesman.com.
- ^ "Grace Ridge resident celebrates milestone birthday today". morganton.com.
- ^ "At 110, Agnes Fenton of Englewood has 'nothing to complain about'". northjersey.com.
- ^ "1905 was a very good year". cross-countiesconnect.com.
- ^ "Armida Brunson Sholar celebrates 110th birthday". Greensboro.com.
- ^ "Charlotte woman celebrates 110th birthday". wscotv.com.
- ^ N.J. man, 110, remembers cranking motorcars to start them
- ^ Living History: Juliana Koo's 110 Autumns
- ^ Grandma Mary Marsh 110 Birthday!
- ^ US’ 'oldest living vet' Frank Levingston to celebrate 110th birthday this week
- ^ St. Pauls OKs new health plan for employees
- ^ http://www.hln.be/regio/nieuws-uit-zedelgem/alicia-blaast-110-kaarsjes-uit-a2177
- Signe Højer F 1 November 1905 Living in Denmark 110 years, 49 days Nordjylland Midtjylland 396/
- ^ http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20140108_00918510
- ^ a b c d e f g Cite error: The named reference
GRG2
was invoked but never defined (see the help page). - ^ La doyenne tourangelle a 110 ans: bon anniversaire Renée!
- ^ Marie-Antoinette Radix affiche 110 ans tout rond!
- ^ "Ni thé, ni café, ni liqueurs: Marie-Claire souffle 110 bougies". Retrieved 13 March 2015.
- ^ "On la disait de santé fragile: Marie-Claire a 109 ans". Retrieved 13 March 2015.
- ^ "110 Bougies pour Mathilde". Retrieved 27 March 2015.
- ^ "110 ans pour Madeleine Ragon, résidente à La Fontaine Médicis et doyenne de Picardie!". medicisgouvieux.com. 28 March 2015. Retrieved 2 April 2015.
- ^ Agé de 110 ans, le doyens des français est Audois
- ^ "Léontine Rousselot a fêté ses 110 ans". Ouest-france.fr (in French). 2015-07-29. Retrieved 2015-09-06.
Big problems - whole list unverified and not allowed to add Zhou Youguang
Zhou Youguang passed 110 and he is very famous. He does not need to send documents to GRG to prove anything, and since they don't accept Chinese people, trying to get verified would be pointless anyway. His name was removed 2x [1] (Undid revision 700055553 by 192.254.104.217 unverified) and [2] (Undid revision 700058247 by Legacypac This was already thoroughly discussed with the case of Vera Van Wagner; sourced does not equal verified, nor does it justify the 54th rank, reverting .)
Unverified means Unverified by GRG. That is not right. I don't see a discussion for Vera Van Wagner.
The GRG table this list is all sourced to [3] lists 3 people older then the oldest here, with WP#2 being #6 at GRG, our #3 is their #7, our #4 is their #10. I can't see our #5 on the GRG list at all, and the problems continue. Table E says "As of December 15, 2014" which explains somethings - like that some people likely died and have been removed from WP, but not how Chiyo Miyako got on our list sourced to Table E in the first place? It seems to actually be sourced to [4] where 53 people are listed same as here.
Suggestions? Legacypac (talk) 05:31, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- I see no problem with adding Zhou if there is an RS which confirms that he was alive on his 110th birthday. As someone whose notability is independent of his age he does not need to be "verified" by any organisation such as the GRG. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 07:27, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Photo with his 110 b-cake. 111 by Chinese count (bday 1 is day you are born in China)[1] Legacypac (talk) 07:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- How does a media report on someone turning 110 establish that that person is in fact 110? This same logic was cited for the Didlake case, the oldest American veteran, despite the fact that GRG research indicates she was likely not born the year claimed. Why is this case different? Canada Jack (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's not Wikipedia's job to determine if reliable sources are perfectly accurate. We simply report what they say. clpo13(talk) 22:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- But the "reliable sources" do not say they verified the age of the claimant! This page is for verified claims. The fact a claim was published doesn't establish its veracity. Canada Jack (talk) 23:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Do we need sources verifying his birth place? His name? What school he went to? clpo13(talk) 23:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, don't you see? We have to defer to the GRG and the GRG alone on its verification the moment he became 110 years old. Before that, we can use our basic sourcing policies when a person crosses into that supercentenarian zone, the only people in the world who can say his birth date is accurate is the GRG. And in case this isn't obvious, I'm joking. The hubris of the GRG's proponents knows no bounds. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:54, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Do we need sources verifying his birth place? His name? What school he went to? clpo13(talk) 23:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- But the "reliable sources" do not say they verified the age of the claimant! This page is for verified claims. The fact a claim was published doesn't establish its veracity. Canada Jack (talk) 23:49, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- It's not Wikipedia's job to determine if reliable sources are perfectly accurate. We simply report what they say. clpo13(talk) 22:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- How does a media report on someone turning 110 establish that that person is in fact 110? This same logic was cited for the Didlake case, the oldest American veteran, despite the fact that GRG research indicates she was likely not born the year claimed. Why is this case different? Canada Jack (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Photo with his 110 b-cake. 111 by Chinese count (bday 1 is day you are born in China)[1] Legacypac (talk) 07:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Support Inclusion. The ranking though is probably incorrect. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Definition of verified from oldest people page: "This is a list of tables of the verified oldest people in the world in ordinal ranks. In these tables, a supercentenarian is considered 'verified' if his or her claim has been validated by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research, such as the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) or Guinness World Records (GWR)." The fact that someone is famous or has gained some degree of notoriety does not verify their age. Zhou Youguang is an unverified Asian supercentenarian and does not belong on this list. TFBCT1 00:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- So you redefined the terminology while ignoring the discussion section below to specifically exclude the claim? Seems like a lowball way to get a win to me. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- Definition of verified from oldest people page: "This is a list of tables of the verified oldest people in the world in ordinal ranks. In these tables, a supercentenarian is considered 'verified' if his or her claim has been validated by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research, such as the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) or Guinness World Records (GWR)." The fact that someone is famous or has gained some degree of notoriety does not verify their age. Zhou Youguang is an unverified Asian supercentenarian and does not belong on this list. TFBCT1 00:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
In fact there is no support for his birth date at all. It hasn't been verified by the GRG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.72.97.94 (talk) 00:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- So his birthdate was fine until 3 days ago, sourced to normal stuff like books and newspaper accounts but now he needs to check in with GRG or we can't believe his age. Of course since GRG does not accept Chinese documentation that will never work. So now we have IPs removing his unverified B-date over and over. Change the criteria description if it conflicts with how we normally do things at Wikipedia. Legacypac (talk) 00:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Removal of GRG from the lede
I've removed the GRG language from the lede. If someone wants to make this into List of oldest living people according to the GRG, so be it but that's not here. If that's what this is supposed to be, then all other references should be removed as irrelevant. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm going to ask all the people editing the page to discuss this here so let's @Canada Jack, Legacypac, BjörnBergman, and TFBCT1:. Again, it doesn't make sense to include any other references if this is only going to be a GRG list. There's no evidence that the GRG list is itself notable in the same way that Time 100 or Billboard Hot 100 are. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not GRGopedeia. Nothing wrong, and everything correct about including Zhou Youguang as he is indisputably over 110 and other then 1 Japanese guy identified by GRG, the 2nd oldest man we know about. Legacypac (talk) 22:53, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- There's some more at Talk:Zhou Youguang, including the nonsensical comment "Verifiable does not mean it was verified". As if the GRG is the sole authority on age in the world. clpo13(talk) 23:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Can we just focus on the lede here? The Zhou issue is above. I'm trying to figure out the logic of the lede being "a list of all GRG verified claims". -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Until recently - like in November - the lead did not have all the GRG stuff. Will need to dig to see where it got stuck back in. Legacypac (talk) 23:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hmmm.... -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:44, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Until recently - like in November - the lead did not have all the GRG stuff. Will need to dig to see where it got stuck back in. Legacypac (talk) 23:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not GRGopedeia. Nothing wrong, and everything correct about including Zhou Youguang as he is indisputably over 110 and other then 1 Japanese guy identified by GRG, the 2nd oldest man we know about. Legacypac (talk) 22:53, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
I've restored it back to reliable source which was the language prior to a certain individual changing it to focus on the GRG for some reason. ;) I don't understand what "validated" is supposed to mean since (a) that term isn't used anywhere here and (b) it's already stated to be a partial list for whatever that's worth. It seems extraneous to call this a partial list of "validated" claims. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
- TFBCT1, would you mind taking part in this discussion instead of continuing to revert? clpo13(talk) 00:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I tried adding "...) or is a notable person with a well sourced birthdate." But that was quickly reverted. Evidently Queen Elizabeth will need to submit her 3 documents to GRG when she turns 110 or we will have to remove her birthday and keep her off these lists. Legacypac (talk) 01:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
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