Lexus Userbox
Hello, for all Lexus afficianados I have created a Lexus enthusiast userbox. The mark-up is "User Lexus fan" Here is the userbox:
This user is a Lexus enthusiast. |
Thanks for contributing, Regards, Signaturebrendel 02:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Year Lexus was Introduced to Japan??
I think you should check which year lexus was introduced into Japan. I lived in Japan from 2000-2004 and seen many Lexus cars in Japan. My wife who is Japanese has a picture of her ex boyfriend standing next to his Lexus in Japan taken in the mid 90's.Kinait 22:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There were imports of Lexus vehicles in Asia for a long time now, and many rebadging options were available in Japan for years before the Lexus debut--Aristo buyers would swap out titles for the GS, for instance. Officially though, Lexus debuted in 2005--that's for sure, but Lexus vehicles have existed before that. Enigma3542002 08:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Semi protection
I've semi-protected this page due to repeated vandalism from anon users. I'm guessing that there is a forum post somewhere encouraging members to vandalize the page. Any accounts created for the purpose of continuing the vandalism will be blocked indefinitely without further notice. If there is a legitimate edit that you feel needs to be made to the article, feel free to bring it up on the talk page. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for protecting the page from the vandals!! I'm wondering if there is a single user with a scrambling IP address who keeps doing the same inproper edits.
- One thing--the vandals' edits consistently reverted the article several days into the past, erasing whole paragraphs from the Design, L-Finesse, Future, and other sections. I just reverted the article to the most recent full edit, keeping the special protection in place. This revert also eliminates the 'Japanese brands' box that was added back by the vandals.
- In one of my edits, I re-added that box myself and adjusted the opening sentence, hoping that would placate the vandals and keeping them from reverting the whole article just to change a few sentences. But it didn't work, so our best bet is to block them from editing. Enigma3542002 21:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
The vandal has come back again. If they were trying to edit for meaningful reasons, you would think they'd know not to revert the page to weeks and weeks if not months in advance! Enigma3542002 05:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Lexus lights
They might be called "'Lexus-style' lights" in the united states, but they are just called 'Lexus lights' in the UK 82.36.228.184 10:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Ads don't belong here
Image:Lexus_Advanced_Parking_Guidance_System_ad.jpg
- It's neat and all but it's an advertisement. This article is supposed to inform people, not urge them to buy the car. --Indolences 03:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- I doubt this photograph will cause anyone to buy the car. Yes, it is an advertisement, but it is within the historical context of the article (The Lexus brand/Launch/Today). The advent of the automatic parking system is a major technological innovation (referenced by its own article, Advanced Parking Guidance System, and a mention in the lead paragraph of Toyota), not least for all the controversy it caused, but also for how much the press covered it, and how computing capabilities have advanced to reach this type of technology. If you studied luxury car history, you would know that the champagne glasses ad, winner of multiple national advertising awards, is a major factor in why this car and this brand became successful. This photograph informs people about the history and technological capabilities of the flagship, all at the same time. It is definitely relevant, especially because a lot of the Lexus brand (and some would say most of) is about marketing success. Enigma3542002 04:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Furthermore, the image of the champagne glasses and the car has become one of the most identifiable and iconic illustrations of this car brand, and has been copied a number of times by multiple car manufacturers. It even resulted in new tests by AMCI and possibly Consumer Reports [1]. In essence, not only did this ad have a historical significance for a brand, and technological relevance, it also had an impact on popular culture, becoming one of the most memorable car advertisements of all time (special mention in Brandweek, best ad listing in Adweek [2], EFFIE awards Gold Medal winner, and International Automotive Advertising Awards (IAAA) winner). This is similar to, but arguably more famous and impactful, than the more recent Honda Cog (television_commercial) ad. It is no surprise then when launching their newest model, the vehicle premiered at NAIAS with a champagne glass stage and ads and imagery all following this theme. The point of these mentions is that this was much more than just an ad, this was a brand defining moment that had popular culture implications, including historical, technological, marketing, and other elements. You can't just put any ad in there, this is a specific instance of a directly relevant image. Enigma3542002 05:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
You sure are the Lexus connoisseur. Do you own one of these fine automobile? --Indolences 04:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
edit: I am now using IE7 and the transparent svgs (rendered as pngs) are transparent. --Indolences 04:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
My car is not in the luxury category; I am but a luxury automobile enthusiast. I wish I could afford one of these vehicles, or a competing luxury vehicle. A number of my friends and acquaintances do have Lexus, Mercedes, and Porsche cars though--have ridden from time to time. At this level of cars, there are many fine choices. Enigma3542002 08:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I haven't had a chance to try the new IE yet, I heard it is much improved. Enigma3542002 08:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of information about all sorts of subjects. Information about Lexus should include what sort of image they are trying to get. This image shows their target customers perfectly. --84.178.77.183 18:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Sections
I merged the newly created Highlights section into the Design and Technology section, because both sections discuss various Lexus innovations. The Highlights section was in bullet list form (2 items), which I converted to paragraph form. If so desired, the list of dozen-odd innovations could be made into bullet form.
Also, the Service section was renamed 'Service and Warranty' evidently due to the addition of a sentence at the end on Lexus warranties. I returned the section name to Service because that is the overall purpose of the section, the warranty information is an additional detail but not the main focus IMO. I expanded the warranty info a bit, and contemplated making it a subsection with its own boldface title. If additional distinction is needed that could be done. Enigma3542002 04:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
pricing Europe / US
I noticed that several models seem to differ about 50% in pricing between the US and Europe. Europe seems to get 150% of the US price without noticable differences. You can easily compare them by visiting lexus.com, lexus.co.uk, lexus.fr and lexus.de side by side. Why is this? I believe this information should be mentioned in the article. Also international prices could be added the to model articles, since I believe this is quite an important fact and could offer a critical position of the Lexus marketing strategy. --84.178.77.183 18:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Interesting detail, I agree if we have more comprehensive information, the pricing details could be added. I read an article where Koreans were complaining that the cost of an ES 350 was 2x the time it cost in Korea as in the US. However, much of this is due to tariffs and taxation...I have read that the price of a Corolla in some countries = the price of an ES in the US, given the hefty import taxes, etc. Enigma3542002 02:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Katakana badge?
Is it only a coincidence that the Lexus logo also looks a lot like the Katakana character レ [re]? And if one tried to pronounce "Lexus" in Japanese, might it not come out something like *レクスス [reku̥susu̥]? I wonder what that might mean in Japanese?
- --Ziusudra 03:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I looked it up, and its actually レクサス [reku̥sasu̥]. The fact that the Japanese is written with the サ [sa] kana leads one to think that it might first have been concocted in English with a schwa pronunciation for the <u>, which was then approximated in Japanese with [a]. Or, it could be the reverse (though I doubt it).
- --Ziusudra 20:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting, so it is basically a phonetic translation of the word "Lexus." I surmised as much because the brand was developed with an English name in mind first. Enigma3542002 03:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I think people are getting twisted
First of all, the ceo of this company is Katsuaki Watanabe. Lexus is Toyota. Toyota owns Lexus. It's toyota's brand and subdivision. There is only one Lexus and lexus is sold in Japan. It's not an american brand, it's japanese brand. Lexus is global brand and Japanese name should be included in here. Global headquarters of Lexus is the headquarters of Toyota, in which the CEO sits in. America is the second biggest. Lexus is Japan. Lexus is toyota. Toyota is lexus. Katsuaki watanabe is lexus.
Lexus is Japanese brand. It's not american brand and the ceo is katsuaki, bob carter is general manager. He is way below katsuaki 168.253.14.25 00:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's my response.
- The CEO of Toyota is Mr. Watanabe. But he is NOT the CEO of the Lexus division. Look at Volkswagen Group -- it owns Audi. On the Volkswagen Group page it lists the VW CEO, Martin Winterkorn. On the Audi page it lists the Audi subsidiary executive, Rupert Stadler. The Lexus article should list division personnel, not the overall Toyota corporate structure.
- 'Key people' is logically not the exact same between a division and its parent. Toyota owns Lexus, but the key people in Lexus report to the key people in Toyota. Takeshi Yoshida is the Lexus Managing Officer. [3], Bob Carter is the US Lexus Group Vice President. The Lexus division, believe it or not, was founded in the U.S. as a division of Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. It still remains active, and the Lexus Group Vice President is Bob Carter. That's why he belongs there. You'll also note the Acura article also includes the U.S. headquarters, because Acura is mainly a U.S. division. The Lexus division includes both Japan and U.S. personnel and locations. I have put the Japanese location and personnel first in order to reflect the newer focus of Lexus in Japan.
- Based on this source [4], Takeshi Yoshida is the General Manager of the Lexus Development Center, and the "Lexus Managing Officer" (according to the article). Lexus got its own Japanese board of directors, design, engineering, training, and manufacturing centers working exclusively for the luxury division in 2005. Even if Mr. Watanabe has a seat on this board, and he probably does, this is the Lexus article and not the Toyota one. It should list the Lexus-specific personnel. If you have a more updated source which clearly specifies Lexus-dedicated corporate officers, please share it before making changes.
- Lexus was founded as Lexus, not レクサス. Based on discussion on this talk page, レクサス is a phonetical translation (rexusasu). By contrast, トヨタ自動車株式会社 has primary meaning (Toyota Motor Corporation), which is why it is included in the Toyota article. If you insist upon keeping it there, please provide an explanation. Otherwise, the link to the http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/レクサス has already been included, which precludes the need to put the phonetical translation. I will leave it there for now, but it will probably be removed. This is the English wikipedia; any other languages included in the LEAD must have a very specific and supported reason. レクサス is already in the trivia section.
- Trying to change the intro to "Japanese Toyota Motor Corporation's luxury vehicle division. Lexus brand name vehicles are sold in Japan, North America, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Oceania" is not NPOV, it is biased. Why? Because it is pushing Japan over everything, including Lexus itself. You put Japan in front of everything else--and note that Japan is a country, NOT a continent or major geographical region. The listing of regions in the article is IN ORDER of geographical sales importance to Lexus.
- Area served is redundant and unnecessary. Look at Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Saab, Volvo, Cadillac, Acura, and Infiniti. None of those use area served.
Do you want the Lexus article to be as good as the other luxury makes' articles? Or are you trying to push an agenda of Japanese nationalism first? I am trying to make this article as encyclopaedic as possible, I hope you will try to do that too. Putting nationalistic emphasis into the article cheapens it; this article is about #1 Lexus. It is not about "#1 Japan or #1 Toyota" or pushing 'Japanese Lexus.' It is about #1 Lexus, which is a Japanese-based luxury division, with worldwide goals, cars, etc. And it is about discussing Lexus in a NPOV manner.
- I'm not being nationalistic at all. This article had Bob Carter on the first, and it looked like it was trying to separate Lexus from Toyota, like Toyota is some cheap carmaker that is not up to par with Lexus. My intention was Lexus is part of Toyota, which is a Japanese company. It felt like this article tried to ditch Toyota (what is toyota?) to the Lexus big and boss of everything, and therefore it has to be American and not Japanese company deceptive agenda. You make a good point. When you had Bob Carter, as general manager, lexus division, it looked like really cheap and weak try. This article is really matured greatly and I hope the article Toyota becomes like this. 168.253.14.25 04:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Enigma3542002 02:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Good evening (GMT time); I have reviewed this article on 12:00, Saturday June 8 2024 (UTC) in accordance with the Good Article (GA) criteria. There are seven main criteria that the article must comply with to pass:
- Well-written: Pass
- Factually accurate: Pass
- Broad: Pass
- Neutrally written: Pass
- Stable: Pass
- Well-referenced: Pass
- Images: Pass
I have concluded that, in my opinion, the article has passed all categories and I therefore award it GA status. Congratulations to the lead editors, and keep up the excellent work!
Kindest regards,
anthonycfc [talk] 20:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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- On behalf of all the lead editors of this article, thank you for your review and the GA status!!! Enigma3542002 00:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Lexus article may need a complete rewrite (vandalism)
- This article is written like an advertisement. like copy & paste from company brochures. this article may need a complete rewrite.
- also, article is too long & heavy. This article page is 59 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size.
- we don't need garbage & promotional article. need a diet, briefly. Firefox001 06:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Your claims might be more credible if you did not VANDALIZE the article, by removing references and then replacing them with "unreferenced" tags. If you had bothered to read the article, you would find those claims referenced in the lead or body. Furthermore, this article has been thoroughly vetted and made NPOV, as confirmed by the GA review and multiple discussions elsewhere. Nothing here is 'copied and pasted' from company brochures; in fact the vast majority of the statements made in this article come from journalistic and scholarly publications. Furthermore, I and others rewrote this article in response to earlier criticisms of NPOV and unreferencing (see archive). These changes were amply discussed and debated, and I find your current assertions highly partisan and questionable. And although you copied and pasted the "appropriate to split" details regarding Wikipedia:Article size, if you bother to read the section not only is there no haste to split an article, but the SCOPE of an article such as this requires a medium length; other automotive makes have similar length articles or longer. Far from 'garbage' and 'promotion', the statements in this article are fact-based and referenced, and are intended to be an encyclopaedic corporate profile of a luxury division, as should be. Enigma3542002 14:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:::The goal of this article is not to promote Japanese culture; references of Japan are made when they are directly relevant to the history of Lexus. You may notice in the above talk section that I have personally removed statements which seem nationalistic. Furthermore, it appears based on your contributions records that "Pgdn001" is the same as "Firefox001" and has used the URL 221.148.48.216, all focusing on topics related to Korea. Based on the history [5] of this user, there appears to be a troubling record of disruptions, racism, and unwanted editing behavior which does not comform to acceptable Wikipedia standards. Interestingly, these warnings have been removed from the current talk page, in possible violation of wikipedia rules. It is also possible that this user is responsible for the earlier vandalism to the Lexus article, which also was focused on nationalistic grounds. I hope that this record will change, but doing vandalism, followed by multiple changes under several disallowed pseudonyms, is not helpful. Please reconsider your actions, and consider this a friendly notice. Enigma3542002 17:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- we do not need personal attack, japanese. calm down. japanese. are you stalker? ```first, we do not need your garbage article. if you want lexus page, then you make another lexus fan homepage, ok? japanese? Pgdn001 11:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)