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:: The tendency for other users and admins in the time since the RfA has been to remove Gastrich-owned links on sight. There is a chance that this particular link is being added and promoted by a user sockpuppet. This has been the pattern of behavior observed before and since the RfA and this was due in large part to the tendency of the banned user to indulge in self-promotion. Such things are and should be rightfully prohibited. However, there is no real evidence of this at this time, so that isn't a claim that I would make. In resisting the inclusion of the link, I have been following what I understand has been the tendency and even the consensus, so far, with respect to such things. |
:: The tendency for other users and admins in the time since the RfA has been to remove Gastrich-owned links on sight. There is a chance that this particular link is being added and promoted by a user sockpuppet. This has been the pattern of behavior observed before and since the RfA and this was due in large part to the tendency of the banned user to indulge in self-promotion. Such things are and should be rightfully prohibited. However, there is no real evidence of this at this time, so that isn't a claim that I would make. In resisting the inclusion of the link, I have been following what I understand has been the tendency and even the consensus, so far, with respect to such things. |
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:: As I've said elsewhere, I fully understand that Wikipedia is a community driven by consensus. If the consensus is to include the link, I won't have any problem with that. Thank you. - [[User:Nascentatheist|Nascentatheist]] 14:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC) |
:: As I've said elsewhere, I fully understand that Wikipedia is a community driven by consensus. If the consensus is to include the link, I won't have any problem with that. Thank you. - [[User:Nascentatheist|Nascentatheist]] 14:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Which would be well said, if it didn't come from a sockpuppet of [[User:WarriorScribe|WarriorScribe]].[[User: |
:::Which would be well said, if it didn't come from a sockpuppet of [[User:WarriorScribe|WarriorScribe]], a well known agent provocateur against Jason Gastrich, who has minimised that account and archived away all his old work on Jason's case, lest anyone should detect a pattern. [[User:Usenetpostsdotcom|Uncle Davey]] [[User talk:Usenetpostsdotcom|(Talk)]] 22:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC) |
Revision as of 22:11, 15 August 2007
Removal of privately-owned link
Kearnysoccer.net is not a domain that is owned by the district or the school. It is privately-owned and not a part of the school district's IT program, nor is it officially sanction by the district IT department. It is owned and maintained by a private individual who happens to be the part-time coach and a banned Wikipedia user. One of the reasons for his banning and that of a considerable number of suspected [1] and confirmed [2] sock-puppets is the frequent attempt to include his privately-owned domains in Wikipedia articles. The web site allegedly provides information about the soccer program, but it is also used to advertise banned user's other private fee-based services [3] [4]. The WHOIS information follows:
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Registrant: Jason Gastrich P.O. Box 70696 Pasadena, California 91117 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: KEARNYSOCCER.NET Created on: 25-Jan-07 Expires on: 25-Jan-08 Last Updated on:
Administrative Contact: Gastrich, Jason domains@jcsm.org P.O. Box 70696 Pasadena, California 91117 United States (877) 850-3878 Fax -- (877) 850-3878
Technical Contact: Gastrich, Jason domains@jcsm.org P.O. Box 70696 Pasadena, California 91117 United States (877) 850-3878 Fax -- (877) 850-3878
Domain servers in listed order: NS1.JCSM.ORG NS2.JCSM.ORG
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
- - End WHOIS information - -
See WP:SPAM, the Wikipedia Spam Blacklist [5], User:Jason Gastrich's RfA [6] and subsequent discussion for additional guidance on the matter. - Nascentatheist 00:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. I'm going to contact an Admin, just to make sure you're correct about the link [7] being inadmissible, though. Thanks. --Creashin 03:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. That's quite reasonable and, as Wikipedia is a community that thrives on consensus, I will check to see if previous admins with experience in this area shouldn't weigh in. - Nascentatheist 04:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Gastrich's site(s) are neither reliable nor notable enough to serve as sources at Wikipedia. Gastrich's history of self-promotion precludes that. FeloniousMonk 04:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- user:Creashin asked me to comment. I don't see why external links need to be owned by the school district or "sanctioned" by the IT department in order to be included. This article is not the school's home page and it does not exercise any authority over it. Although Gastrich is banned from the site, the RfA does not mean that we must not under any circumstances link to anything he does (although if it is actually him adding the link, then we can and should certainly revert that without comment). So I think that it comes down to a content dispute in this case: does an exteral link to an athletic club associated with the school improve the article? — brighterorange (talk) 12:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- There was no claim, implication, or presumption that the article is "owned by the school district," so that point is irrelevant. My comments about the lack of organizational sanction were in response to the claim that the site URL is about the "soccer program," which could be interpreted to imply organizational approval of the page being used as a reference. An examination of the page makes it clear that this is not really the case. There is no substantive content and it could be argued that it doesn't improve the article. Even so, I would be less inclined to resist its inclusion were it not for the fact that the site has two links that lead to the user's advertising of services for a fee. In other words, there appears to be a rather poorly-hidden attempt at profit and self-promotion.
- The tendency for other users and admins in the time since the RfA has been to remove Gastrich-owned links on sight. There is a chance that this particular link is being added and promoted by a user sockpuppet. This has been the pattern of behavior observed before and since the RfA and this was due in large part to the tendency of the banned user to indulge in self-promotion. Such things are and should be rightfully prohibited. However, there is no real evidence of this at this time, so that isn't a claim that I would make. In resisting the inclusion of the link, I have been following what I understand has been the tendency and even the consensus, so far, with respect to such things.
- As I've said elsewhere, I fully understand that Wikipedia is a community driven by consensus. If the consensus is to include the link, I won't have any problem with that. Thank you. - Nascentatheist 14:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Which would be well said, if it didn't come from a sockpuppet of WarriorScribe, a well known agent provocateur against Jason Gastrich, who has minimised that account and archived away all his old work on Jason's case, lest anyone should detect a pattern. Uncle Davey (Talk) 22:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)