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Hope this election 2019 will clearly expose the population strength. [[User:Kalyanvijaykumar|Kalyanvijaykumar]] ([[User talk:Kalyanvijaykumar|talk]]) 12:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC) |
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Remove "Ontari redirects in 2016" on top of the page.
Remove "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.[11][12] The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand.[13]" Reliable Sources: http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2016-02-05/Kapus-demand-for-reservation-unjust-say-BC-associations/204911 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KAPU_Community_not_to_be_included_in_BC_list.pdf
Also, current chief minister of Andhra Pradesh Mr. Nara chandra babu naidu is not interested in including Kapu under BC category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannasingaraju (talk • contribs) 18:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
UK/US population
Is there any support for this reinstatement? That is, I am sure that some Kapu probably exist in the US and UK but is it a significant population or just a small number? We usually only list significantly populated places, otherwise the list would become unmanageable - Sitush (talk) 22:00, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I am sure there must be a good number of people who are part of Telugu Associations such as NATS, ATA and TANA etc. Numbers are unknown to anyone at all. As far as i know i would say Telugu population in total is very strong in North America, UK, Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.73.108.121 (talk) 18:28, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
- We need reliable sources, not speculation. - Sitush (talk) 20:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017
The varna system of Brahmanic ritual ranking never took hold in South Indian society outside Kerala. There were essentially three classes: Brahmin, non-Brahmin and Dalit.[16] Kapus naturally fall into the non-Brahmin class D.S. Charan 13:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrnds (talk • contribs)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
- I suppose Chrnds wants this information added, and used to replace the current characterisation of Kapus as Shudras. I agree with him. In fact, I have proposed on Talk:Caste system in India that the varna categorisation should be deleted from all South Indian caste pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- Well, that would be wrong. There is an article somewhere where I wrote something like
X have historically been classified as shudra despite, according to historians such as Y, the Hindu varna system of ritual ranking "never having taken hold in South India".
That would be the correct formula: that the Brits etc misunderstood things had significant ramifications for South Indian society. - Sitush (talk) 10:07, 24 January 2017 (UTC) - Don't forget, people are quick to want to use the Kshatriya label in South India. - Sitush (talk) 10:09, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
- Well, that would be wrong. There is an article somewhere where I wrote something like
- I suppose Chrnds wants this information added, and used to replace the current characterisation of Kapus as Shudras. I agree with him. In fact, I have proposed on Talk:Caste system in India that the varna categorisation should be deleted from all South Indian caste pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Are you going to make the edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrnds (talk • contribs) 09:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Telaga and Balija castes are listed as Backward Castes which is incorrect
Look at this latest news from hansindia http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2017-01-24/Kapu-Movement-a-divided-house/275400
Correction required - Telaga, Balija are forward along with Kapu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.80.134.12 (talk) 03:37, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Why no action is taken until now to correct it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.80.134.12 (talk) 05:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
- Nowhere does that source even mention the word forward. - Sitush (talk) 20:39, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
I think you should read the article again, it does not mention that they are backward today. Seriously, someone is trying to defame this caste by giving wrong information to the viewers. You must correct it or i would want the other users to mention it as forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.80.134.12 (talk) 05:33, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Rahul here, i see lot of wrong information posted on Kapu caste page. I rcently checked with both government of telangana and Andhra Pradesh, there records indicate that Kapu, Telaga, Balija are classified as Forward Caste and their caste title is Naidu. I guess what the other user holds true. I want a genuine user to correctly update the site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.78.147.112 (talk) 20:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Too much is going on about this Kapu caste. Chalo someone agree to the fact that Kapu, Telaga and balija are forward as per my good friends from this community. (By Singh) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.35.230.35 (talk) 21:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2017
The following should be removed as this is incorrect. "The Kapu are considered to be a Shudra community in the traditional Hindu ritual ranking system known as varna." Varna system is not strictly followed in South India. Note that most Naidus belong to this caste and Naidus are similar to "Naik" (leader) or "Nair" I this modern age, statements such as this are insult to the people belonging to this community and against basic human values of respect for each other. "Shudra" literally means "Lowly" which means that other people are a superior race. This is definitely sounds like a "Racist" statement. 108.35.126.14 (talk) 14:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- {{Not done}] it clearly states "traditional Hindu ritual ranking system" and AFAIK that is true - we do not re-write or whitewash history. - Arjayay (talk) 10:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
[User:Arjayay|Arjayay] why are you keep citing traditional Hindu values when those values hold no value in south India? There's is no four cast based system in south India as there is in north why is it too hard for you to understand? Can you prove to me which document claims Balija and Telaga caste as backward ? They are indeed forward castes. Why it is wrong mentioned? I want you to open your eyes are read this article: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/telaga-community-to-bat-for-bc-status/article7853063.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.213.254.112 (talk) 00:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree with the editor, Varna System was never a part of south India, Therefore, It should be removed from the article. </ref> Fox, Richard G. (January 1969), "Varna Schemes and Ideological Integration in Indian Society", Comparative Studies in Society and History, 11 (01): 27–45, doi:10.1017/S0010417500005132: "When recognition of a regional varna scheme has been unavoidable—such as the tripartite division into Brahmins, non-Brahmins, and Untouchables in much of the South— it has been explained in terms of an historical corruption or breakdown of the standard four-class system, rather than regarded as a functional entity in its own right."</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrnds (talk • contribs) 23:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Kapus are not shudra.
Why Kapus are listed as shudra since there are only three branches are there in telugu people Brahmins, non-brahmins and untouchables. Dwija are absent in telugu people and Kapus are not untouchables, so why you referred them as Shudra. They were and are agriculturist and cultivator from ages. You won't find any difference in Reddy and Kapu, both have common ancestry. Like Reddy, Kapus are non Brahmins but not shudra. For reference you can refer Reddy Wikipedia page, in that South Indian peasant or agriculturist are categorized as non Brahmins and varna status in south India is disputable so why you categorizing Kapus as shudra. - Protectorcultivator (talk) 06:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
- We are not classifying them as Shudra - it is reliable sources which are doing that. We do expand on the point at length and I think part of the problem here is that members of the Kapu community, almost certainly including sock- or meatpuppets - are absolutely fixated on the shudra reference and are ignoring the remainder of the section which indicates the nuances. By the way, we can't use another Wikipedia article as a source for this one, nor can we extrapolate a conclusion based on sources that do not actually mention Kapus. - Sitush (talk) 09:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Kapus are Shudras. There are dwijas in telugu people. There are Kshatriyas(Raju) and Vysyas(Komati). They wear the Sacred thread and have rishi gotras which the Kapus don't have. Kapus are indeed Shudras — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.176.2 (talk) 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Kapus are not shudra, they are kshtriya by birth , they do have rishi gotra. And sacred thread is a personal choice, if you been to school you can wear it. No matter what your caste is. Unfoldingtruth (talk) 04:48, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Telaga kapus are forward caste
Wikipedia is Wrong. 62.107.161.3 (talk) 07:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I agree, Telaga caste is Forward Community — Preceding unsigned commentdded by 96.234.162.26 (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
PhD theses
@Sitush: with regard to this deletion, PhD theses almost always have only submission information. The fact that it was published on the Shodhganga web site implies that the thesis was successful. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've seen ones on that site that show acceptance. Just don't ask me to find them - it's a dreadful website. - Sitush (talk) 17:24, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Tbh, I think that thesis was about 25 years ago. If it was significant then surely someone would have cited it by now? Perhaps it would be best if I check via Google Scholar. - Sitush (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Give them a break. India at least has a freely accessible central repository. Most of our countries don't have such a thing. When I recently needed a PhD thesis from Cambridge, they asked me to pay 50 quid just to process the request!
- In any case, here is a citation. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Kapu is forward caste
Kapu is forward caste there is difference between Munnuru Kapu, Turpu Kapu these castes are enjoying reservation benefits in Andhra and telengana as a BC(D) category but kapu is purley forward caste these people are residents in visakhaptnam to nellore districts in andhra pradesh state then why stil maintian in this page as kapu is forward caste in some areas in information box. Munnuru Kapu, Turpu Kapu have sperate Wikipedia pages Jeevan naidu (talk) 13:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC).
- We have had a sockfarm basically arguing a similar thing here recently, and using fairly similar usernames to yours. Like them, you are not providing any evidence and you're failing to understand that, even if you did, we need to consider WP:NPOV. In fact, you're pretty much acting identically to the confirmed socks. I'm not sure if you will understand the phrase but "this may not be the hill that you want to die on." It certainly would be worth your while reading prior posts on this talk page. - Sitush (talk) 13:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- By the way, regarding your comment about other articles existing, did you note that this article says
The official government classifications rarely distinguished between the Kapu sub-castes
? - Sitush (talk) 13:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)- The government did recognize the Munnur and Turpu Kapus as backward classes eventually. However, we don't have anything that says that they stopped being "Kapus" as a result of that. So, as of now, Kapus don't have a uniform status across all areas and subdivisions. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- if they have reservations it means they are backward classes. do you any other suggestions to describes backward classes?
- http://www.ap.gov.in/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/NOTIFICATION-LETTER.pdf
- you may can find hear thurpu kapu is backward class its listed in BC.D Category in andhra pradesh state i attached above government of andhra pradesh website pdf link you may can check it
- this is telengana bc d caste list there is munnuru kapu but the government not included kapu caste http://tspsc.net/telangana-state-bc-c-bc-d-list-backward-class-welfare-depart-g-o-ms-no-34/. kapu and thrpu kapu and munnuru kapu is diffrent these all are diffrent Jeevan naidu (talk) 14:48, 16 January 2018 (UTC).
- Yes, which means not all Kapus are forward. We have loads of situations - eg: with various Nair subcastes - where there are articles for the subcastes but the umbrella caste article has to deal with the lot. That makes sense because many people's first experience of a caste's name will come through seeing the umbrella term. - Sitush (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- so my point is in information box mentioned kapu is forward caste in some areas i am just changed it as forward caste and by the way i dont have any duplicate accounts and this is my first time posting in talk page Jeevan naidu (talk) 14:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC).
- I have reverted you. You've been round long enough that you should know of WP:CONSENSUS by now. - Sitush (talk) 14:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- we may can discus hear i am compliant about you from threatening me blocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Consensus (Jeevan naidu (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2018 (UTC)).
EtymologySomeone mentioned here, Kapu literally means Agriculturist or Farmer in Telugu. I m seriously questioning if this post was done by some Telugu Person and the Reference is of Cynthia Talbot, a foreign author. The words used in different languages for farmers Sanskrit - Krishak Prakrit - Halika Telugu - Ryotu In Telugu, Raksha and Kapadatam are two words used for Protection. Kapu is word meaning to watch or Protect from which the caste Name Kapu arises. And this is well known fact in Telugu people. During the British Era, as majority of lands of Andhra Pradesh was held by Kapu people, who were involved in agriculture, the labourers used to call the landowners Kapu. It is just used but it is not literal meaning Nag Sam 01:14, 16 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nagsamm4 (talk • contribs) Varna ClaimsThe Varna Status of Kapu is same as Kamma, Reddy and Velama. All were claiming Kshatriya status but were placed in Shudra status. The controversy is for all the castes, but why this point has not been mentioned in Kapu caste. Why it is directly mentioned as Shudras? And for ur Kind info Brahmins use a special Term SAT SHUDRAS for Kamma, Kapu, Reddy and Velama. So, i would request you to kindly change it. Nag Sam 01:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nagsamm4 (talk • contribs) Why this needed to be added? We can simply classify them as what they are . A forward caste. . Why it is directly mentioned as Shudras? Unfoldingtruth (talk) 04:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC) Sub divisionsThe Kapu caste is a compound of various sub castes. Balija, Ontari, Telaga, Munnuru, Turpu etc are subcastes inside Kapu caste. Why they are not mentioned inside this page. There are many things which have been missing in this page. And when some source is added, it is treated as Caste based Source. Why dont the guys first read the book. Because even though from above the book looks caste based, but inside the sources are used from Books like N Sastri, Cynthia Talbot, Durga Prasad,etc. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BF6BYCG Read first and then categorise if it has baised history or words taken from all renouned books Nag Sam 01:28, 16 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nagsamm4 (talk • contribs)
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Kindly document the history for hazari caste from the URL provided below. Hazari is a sub-caste of KAPU community
Kindly look at the URL below to properly author the content for Hazaris caste:
Note - Hazari belongs to KAPU caste from Andhra Pradesh/Telanaga state — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:48:C500:F392:B10C:57DE:15A4:59EC (talk) 02:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Not a reliable source. ∯WBGconverse 05:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Legends of the Kakatiya dynasty?
@Winged Blades of Godric and Sitush: I don't think this edit is correct. There were no legends in the Kakatiya period as far as we know, nor the so-called "caste clusters". All of them developed only in the late Vijayanagara period.
We do hear of Reddi and Velama in the post-Kakatiya period, which established dyasties at Kondavidu and Rachakonda. But they were likely to have been small groups, whose prominence later became a focus for the caste clusters. Kamma was a regional identity at this time (see Kammanadu), which also later developed into a caste cluster. The Belthi Reddi legend is narrated by only the Kammas apparently. The other castes don't have it. So, we shouldn't overemphasize the legend either. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:47, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The Kapu occupational identity likely dates back to the Buddha's time, which was when occupational identities developed. So the "origin", as it were, was in the remote past. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- I have no idea. I can't see that page of the source. In fact, nowadays I cannot see many pages of it. - Sitush (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- It's weird and I do think that you have a valid point.
- Talbot specifically mentions:-
The major cultivating caste-clusters--The Kapus or Reddis, the Kammas and the Velamas--are said to have a common ancestry in these legends.
- As an example, she has elaborated on the formation of Kammas, Velamas and Reddis w.r.t the Belthi Reddi/Prataprudra legend after deriving the same from Thurston's narrative.
- But, there's nothing about the origins of Kapu (I have glance-read the entire book but might have missed portions), despite being twice mentioned by her, as claiming origins in Kakatiya Legends.
- I will try to trace the earliest mentions of the group or explicit stuff about it's origin, using other sources.∯WBGconverse 13:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think we will ever find anything about the "origin" of Kapu. The identity would have existed as long as farming existed. And, I notice historians saying that occupations were the original identities. (But, one needs to strip off all the Brahmanical mythology before one can see that.) See:
- Chakravarti, Uma (2 March 1985), "Towards a Historical Sociology of Stratification in Ancient India: Evidence from Buddhist Sources", Economic and Political Weekly, 20 (9): 359–360, JSTOR 4374135
- -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Obviously, there's no doubt that the occupations were original identities:-)∯WBGconverse 16:26, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Kautilya3, umm......the reversion did not achieve much;-) It's nearly the same content and a rewrite is desirable. ∯WBGconverse 18:32, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- I know. Please feel free to try again. I am not sure what you are exactly trying to do. Perhaps you can suggest some rewording here? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:35, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nothing, to be precise. My edit copyedited and slightly trimmed the stuff, corrected a wrong page number and verified that the information is correct, at least per Talbot. Days back, at Reddy (probably), somebody had used reliable sources but deviated from it, (to extremal whims) as to constructing the section. When, this article popped up on my watchilst, I was basically surprised at the same fact that you mention; about how Kapus can be traced to the Kakatiya legends (though I did not know the Belthi Reddi story) given that I am pretty sure to have some across scholarly sources that mentions them much aprior those times. I initially doubted yet another source-content mismatch and some OR stuff but to my dismay, they aligned quite precisely. And, so here we are.
- I know. Please feel free to try again. I am not sure what you are exactly trying to do. Perhaps you can suggest some rewording here? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:35, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think we will ever find anything about the "origin" of Kapu. The identity would have existed as long as farming existed. And, I notice historians saying that occupations were the original identities. (But, one needs to strip off all the Brahmanical mythology before one can see that.) See:
- On another note, I am not much bothered about the usage of caste-cluster. The term is an imprecise one, in that it uses a modern ethnographic terminology to describe a timespan where such concepts were mostly alien but pretty certainly Talbot uses it to designate the fraternal occupational classes, prevalent back then.∯WBGconverse 18:56, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Can some one include Telaga caste as forward caste under Kapu category. Actor Chiranjeevi, Pawan Kalyan is from Telaga caste
Telaga is Forward Caste
Actor Chiranjeevi and Pawan Kalyan are from Telaga caste. They are highly influential and are from Forward Caste — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.116 (talk) 20:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC) Reliable source - https://www.ripublication.com/ijhss18/ijhssv8n1_03.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:45:480:DF62:5B4:C169:CE56:2B6F (talk) 11:42, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Sir names and gothras
Add sir names and gothra's in kapu caste Ramanaidu.parimo (talk) 14:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
URL below gives info on surnames and gotra http://www.kapusangam.com/surname_gotralu.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:45:480:DF62:8851:EFE0:30B:B858 (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- We avoid sources affiliated with castes, and lists of surnames etc tend to be original research somewhere down the line as anyone can bear any name they choose. - Sitush (talk) 10:14, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2018
Kindly include a column to say Kapu caste and Telaga caste are Forward caste just like 'Kamma' and 'Reddy' caste 2601:45:480:DF62:5956:3822:1B41:8A12 (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:16, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Various communities
We've got real difficulties here in defining Kapu. The word seems to be used sometimes as an umbrella term and sometimes as a specific term. Other groups that appear to come under the umbrella include the Telaga, Ontari, Munnuru, Balija and Turpu (and, of course, the Kapu as a specific term) but sources don't seem to agree on where the lines are drawn.
Is there any way to disentangle the mess? It is very confusing and I don't think our articles on the variants particularly help resolve it. - Sitush (talk) 15:24, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Sitush this is Srivastava, why is Telaga caste not listed under Kapu caste page when it is a sub-caste of Kapu ? Are they forward caste today or not ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.105 (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry Sitush, I didn't see your post earlier. Yes, Kapu is a large category and has several subcastes, based on regional variations and perhaps other factors. What is it that is confusing you?
- Srivastava, you need to go to the Telaga page for answer to your question. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing is confusing me but I think the reader may be confused because this article seems to be using Kapu in two senses, as the umbrella term and as a term for one of the several groups that come under that umbrella. Add to that the problem I mention that the sources do not even seem to agree regarding where the boundaries may be. I'm wondering whether it would be easier to merge everything into this single article. - Sitush (talk) 07:48, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Ontari
Ontari still redirects here, but since 13 December 2011 the article no longer mentions Ontari, so the reader gets no explanation of redirection. --CiaPan (talk) 12:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yes. There is no requirement for the subject of a redirect to appear in the target article by name but, in any event, see the section immediately above. - Sitush (talk) 16:04, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Sitush: No requirement?! Really you think there is no requirement that an index or any other kind of cross-reference in any handbook, dictionary or encyclopedia is not required to lead to a definition, an explanation, or at least to another use, of the indexed or referenced notion?! So what are redirects and references for, according to you???
- And don't mention the section above, anymore. Talk pages are not appendices to articles. They are for discussion on editing the articles, not for informing casual readers what and why was omitted. As far as I know (also from my own use of Wikipedia) a reader will NOT seek any explanation in talk pages. When I type X in a search box and I find myself seeing page Y, then I expect Y to explain the connection between Y and X – possibly they are synonyms, possibly X is a special case of Y (e.g. as a mathematical object or a medical condition) or a part of Y (e.g. as a battle in the Y war, a historic distric in a contemporary town or a minor summit in mountains crest). That's because I asked about X, and I expect the answer on X.
- Imagine, if we meet face to face and you ask me what my real name is, and I tell you in reply what year Stephenson brothers have built their pioneering steem railway locomotive – wouldn't you think I'm mad or at least a mean guy? Of course you would, that's the obvious reaction for nonsense answer from someone looking reasonable. And Wikipedia's answer looks exactly that nonsense in this case – it replies with a page, wchich does not explain or even mention what I was interested in. And Wikipedia looks like an idiot or a sick person to me. --CiaPan (talk) 07:41, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Sitush:
- Policies are for people, not the other way around. They are to assure a good quality of Wikipedia, not to keep it low just because something hasn't been codified. If something IS described in policies, it should be done the way they say. If something is NOT described does NOT imply it should NOT be done. That's a basic logic.
- As a reader, when I seek Ontari and find Kapu, and Kapu doesn't say a single word about Ontari in the lead or first section, I will run a quick search through the page to find what I seek. When I don't find it I certainly won't seek the talk page, because talk pages are not for extending articles. So I will never see the section above, hence it is irrelevant. Full stop.
It is relevant for editors, but not for readers. Anyway it explains why Ontari people are not mentioned here, but it does not justify sending the Ontari-seeker to Kapu. And my question was the latter, not the former. - At last, please use {{reply to}} – unless you want to show me you don't care if I read your reply...
- CiaPan (talk) 21:12, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Sitush:
What's the population in kapu and sub categories.
Hope this election 2019 will clearly expose the population strength. Kalyanvijaykumar (talk) 12:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2019
Ajithkumar23 (talk) 15:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)