@DFlhb - When has National Review, NBC News, Washington Post ever been shown to be biased to Republicans?
@DFlhb - When has National Review, NBC News, Washington Post ever been shown to be biased to Republicans?
:IP, Wikipedia will only claim Clinton is an "election denier" if [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] themselves explicitly label her that. It doesn't matter how many Clinton quotes you post here, because it would be [[WP:OR|original research]] for any of us Wikipedia editors to label her an "election denier" based on our own analysis/interpretation of her direct quotes. [[User:Bennv123|Bennv123]] ([[User talk:Bennv123|talk]]) 18:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
:IP, Wikipedia will only claim Clinton is an "election denier" if [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] themselves explicitly label her that. It doesn't matter how many Clinton quotes you post here, because it would be [[WP:OR|original research]] for any of us Wikipedia editors to label her an "election denier" based on our own analysis/interpretation of her direct quotes. [[User:Bennv123|Bennv123]] ([[User talk:Bennv123|talk]]) 18:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
* {{Ping|2603:7081:8F0:3B0:F96E:D541:FF6F:F2DB}} Clinton's remarks which you are referring to are mentioned in their accurate context in [[Activities of Hillary Clinton subsequent to 2016]]. There, there is wording that reads: ''She also described Trump as an "illegitimate president", despite him having won the 2016 presidential election. While recognizing she had indeed lost to Trump, she said that she considered him "illegitimate" because she asserted that his election victory had been assisted by voting restrictions in certain states and Russian influence efforts.''
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There is a tremendous difference between asserting that someone happily made use of foreign assets/support to spread disinformation in the successful attempt to gain votes (what Clinton has claimed) and claiming that the official vote counts are all lies and that the voting machines themselves were tampered with or other means of illegal votes (what Trump claims). —OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did." Did Trump not benefit from voter suppression, voter purging, and the Wikileaks hack of John Podesta? Where did she say "stolen"? She doesn't, it was the WaPo writer using that word. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That was a warning to 2020 candidates Facepalm – Muboshgu (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IP, the narrative that Clinton is an "election denier" is a partisan Republican narrative. Neutral sources overwhelmingly (unanimously?) do not call her that, and therefore it is simply undue in her article. This has been repeatedly brought up on the talk page, for example here and here, and this new discussion will go nowhere given until proper (preferably scholarly) sources assert it. Thanks — DFlhb (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
She said it in 2020. She wasn't talking about the 2020 election, she was talking about her own loss in 2016. From the article "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you,” clearly referring to how she saw her 2016 campaign." https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764
@DFlhb - When has National Review, NBC News, Washington Post ever been shown to be biased to Republicans?
IP, Wikipedia will only claim Clinton is an "election denier" if reliable sources themselves explicitly label her that. It doesn't matter how many Clinton quotes you post here, because it would be original research for any of us Wikipedia editors to label her an "election denier" based on our own analysis/interpretation of her direct quotes. Bennv123 (talk) 18:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@2603:7081:8F0:3B0:F96E:D541:FF6F:F2DB: Clinton's remarks which you are referring to are mentioned in their accurate context in Activities of Hillary Clinton subsequent to 2016. There, there is wording that reads: She also described Trump as an "illegitimate president", despite him having won the 2016 presidential election. While recognizing she had indeed lost to Trump, she said that she considered him "illegitimate" because she asserted that his election victory had been assisted by voting restrictions in certain states and Russian influence efforts.