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== Shortening the emails section == |
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Shortening the emails section
The previous discussion sputtered out, so I'll try to be more specific here.
Could we discuss ways to shorten the Emails section? I tried doing so last month; putting it as a subsection within her presidential campaign, and focusing on her campaign's reaction to the story (Allen & Parnes), but it's pretty tough. Might try again. The current section is simply too long, and gives that controversy undue prominence. DFlhb (talk) 16:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Here is a very rough preview for what I propose. Mostly, I added one paragraph at the beginning of that section to explain that the emails & speeches affected her success among primary voters, and a paragraph at the end on the October surprise. Those things belong in the Campaign section, since they were major elements of WP:RS coverage of... her campaign. Not of Clinton in general. The dump-all Foundation, Book, Speeches section just gets turned into a Foundation section, to detail her work there.
- Do note this is a rough preview; I actually had a far better version back in December, but didn't submit it, and it's now lost to time. My first paragraph (on her emails) could probably be a fair bit longer, maybe a few sentences; and the words "October surprise" should be mentioned explicitly in my other paragraph.
- Any general feedback? Support, oppose? DFlhb (talk) 17:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- I think we need to be more specific than that as to what the crux of the controversy was. But we definitely need to shorten the section. At the bare-minimum we need to mention that the controversy pertained to the handling of emails by placing them on a private server, the handing-over of emails and deletion of emails, and that it greatly impacted her during her campaign. SecretName101 (talk) 22:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2023
Secretary of State - Tenure
"As secretary of state, Clinton sought to lead a rehabilitation of the United States' reputation on the world state." CHANGE "world state" to "world stage" Acegikmo21727 (talk) 09:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Bennv123 (talk) 09:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Acegikmo21727 Thank you so much for making this catch! SecretName101 (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Voice file
@Mupper-san: I never noticed how much Hillary Clinton sounds like Barack Obama. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Space4Time3Continuum2x Yeah, my mistake, I forgot to change the sound file itself. The issue's been fixed now, thankfully.
- Mupper-san (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
No mention that she is an election denier?
In a 2019 interview with CBS News, Hillary claimed that Trump was an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:8F0:3B0:F96E:D541:FF6F:F2DB (talk) 07:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- She is not an "election denier" since she acknowledged that she lost. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. Shearonink (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is a tremendous difference between asserting that someone happily made use of foreign assets/support to spread disinformation in the successful attempt to gain votes (what Clinton has claimed) and claiming that the official vote counts are all lies and that the voting machines themselves were tampered with or other means of illegal votes (what Trump claims). —OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
She initially acknowledged that she lost, then falsely claimed that the 2016 election was stolen from her. Sources have proven this. Clinton without evidence also blamed sexism on losing the 2016 election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/16/sexism-did-not-cost-hillary-clinton-the-election/
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/dont-forget-hillary-clinton/ https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
"No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did."
Did Trump not benefit from voter suppression, voter purging, and the Wikileaks hack of John Podesta? Where did she say "stolen"? She doesn't, it was the WaPo writer using that word. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
She has claimed that the election was stolen from her. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC (talk) 18:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- That was a warning to 2020 candidates Facepalm – Muboshgu (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- IP, the narrative that Clinton is an "election denier" is a partisan Republican narrative. Neutral sources overwhelmingly (unanimously?) do not call her that, and therefore it is simply undue in her article. This has been repeatedly brought up on the talk page, for example here and here, and this new discussion will go nowhere given until proper (preferably scholarly) sources assert it. Thanks — DFlhb (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
She said it in 2020. She wasn't talking about the 2020 election, she was talking about her own loss in 2016. From the article "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you,” clearly referring to how she saw her 2016 campaign." https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764
@DFlhb - When has National Review, NBC News, Washington Post ever been shown to be biased to Republicans?
- IP, Wikipedia will only claim Clinton is an "election denier" if reliable sources themselves explicitly label her that. It doesn't matter how many Clinton quotes you post here, because it would be original research for any of us Wikipedia editors to label her an "election denier" based on our own analysis/interpretation of her direct quotes. Bennv123 (talk) 18:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)