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== Communication Style in Political Roles == |
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== Shortening the emails section == |
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The previous discussion sputtered out, so I'll try to be more specific here. |
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Could we discuss ways to shorten the Emails section? I tried doing so last month; putting it as a subsection within her presidential campaign, and focusing on her campaign's reaction to the story (Allen & Parnes), but it's pretty tough. Might try again. The current section is simply too long, and gives that controversy undue prominence. [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 16:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hillary_Clinton&diff=1133610085&oldid=1133602786&diffmode=source Here] is a '''very''' rough preview for what I propose. Mostly, I added one paragraph at the beginning of that section to explain that the emails & speeches affected her success among primary voters, and a paragraph at the end on the October surprise. Those things belong in the Campaign section, since they were major elements of [[WP:RS]] coverage of... her campaign. Not of Clinton in general. The dump-all Foundation, Book, Speeches section just gets turned into a Foundation section, to detail her work there. |
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:Do note this is a rough preview; I actually had a far better version back in December, but didn't submit it, and it's now lost to time. My first paragraph (on her emails) could probably be a fair bit longer, maybe a few sentences; and the words "October surprise" should be mentioned explicitly in my other paragraph. |
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:Any general feedback? Support, oppose? [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 17:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC) |
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::I think we need to be more specific than ''that'' as to what the crux of the controversy was. But we definitely need to shorten the section. At the bare-minimum we need to mention that the controversy pertained to the handling of emails by placing them on a private server, the handing-over of emails and deletion of emails, and that it greatly impacted her during her campaign. [[User:SecretName101|SecretName101]] ([[User talk:SecretName101|talk]]) 22:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2023 == |
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{{edit semi-protected|Hillary Clinton|answered=yes}} |
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Secretary of State - Tenure |
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"As secretary of state, Clinton sought to lead a rehabilitation of the United States' reputation on the world state." |
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CHANGE "world state" to "world stage" [[User:Acegikmo21727|Acegikmo21727]] ([[User talk:Acegikmo21727|talk]]) 09:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}}. [[User:Bennv123|Bennv123]] ([[User talk:Bennv123|talk]]) 09:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Acegikmo21727|Acegikmo21727]] Thank you so much for making this catch! [[User:SecretName101|SecretName101]] ([[User talk:SecretName101|talk]]) 20:13, 9 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Voice file == |
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{{ping|Mupper-san}} I never noticed how much Hillary Clinton [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hillary_Clinton&diff=1140351243&oldid=1138985558 sounds like Barack] Obama. [[User:Space4Time3Continuum2x |<span style="color: #3200CC;">'''Space4T'''ime3Continuum2x</span>]][[User_talk:Space4Time3Continuum2x | (talk)]] 13:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:[[User:Space4Time3Continuum2x|@Space4Time3Continuum2x]] Yeah, my mistake, I forgot to change the sound file itself. The issue's been fixed now, thankfully. |
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:[[User:Mupper-san|Mupper-san]] ([[User talk:Mupper-san|talk]]) 16:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== No mention that she is an election denier?== |
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In a 2019 interview with CBS News, Hillary claimed that Trump was an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:7081:8F0:3B0:F96E:D541:FF6F:F2DB|2603:7081:8F0:3B0:F96E:D541:FF6F:F2DB]] ([[User talk:2603:7081:8F0:3B0:F96E:D541:FF6F:F2DB#top|talk]]) 07:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:She is not an "election denier" since she acknowledged that she lost. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 14:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 15:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:There is a tremendous difference between asserting that someone happily made use of foreign assets/support to spread disinformation in the successful attempt to gain votes (what Clinton has claimed) and claiming that the official vote counts are all lies and that the voting machines themselves were tampered with or other means of illegal votes (what Trump claims). —[[User:OuroborosCobra|OuroborosCobra]] ([[User talk:OuroborosCobra|talk]]) 17:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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She initially acknowledged that she lost, then falsely claimed that the 2016 election was stolen from her. Sources have proven this. Clinton without evidence also blamed sexism on losing the 2016 election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/16/sexism-did-not-cost-hillary-clinton-the-election/ |
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/dont-forget-hillary-clinton/ |
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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764 |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC|2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC]] ([[User talk:2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC#top|talk]]) 17:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{tq|"No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did."}} Did Trump not benefit from voter suppression, voter purging, and the Wikileaks hack of John Podesta? Where did she say "stolen"? She doesn't, it was the WaPo writer using that word. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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She has claimed that the election was stolen from her. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/06/hillary-clinton-warns-2020-democratic-candidates-stolen-election/1116477001/ <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC|2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC]] ([[User talk:2603:7081:8F0:3B0:D95C:E7EC:769E:11BC#top|talk]]) 18:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:That was a warning to 2020 candidates {{facepalm}} – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:IP, the narrative that Clinton is an "election denier" is a partisan Republican narrative. Neutral sources overwhelmingly (unanimously?) do not call her that, and therefore it is simply undue in her article. This has been repeatedly brought up on the talk page, for example [[Talk:Hillary_Clinton/Archive_49#Election_denial|here]] and [[Talk:Hillary_Clinton/Archive_49#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_15_November_2022|here]], and this new discussion will go nowhere given until proper (preferably scholarly) sources assert it. Thanks — [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 18:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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She said it in 2020. She wasn't talking about the 2020 election, she was talking about her own loss in 2016. From the article "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you,” clearly referring to how she saw her 2016 campaign." https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764 |
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Throughout her political career, Hillary Clinton's communication style exhibited significant adaptations in response to her changing roles and the political environment. During her time leading the administration’s Health Reform Task Force, Clinton adopted a notably masculine style of speech. This shift was strategically aimed at navigating the predominantly male-oriented political arena of health policy reform. Studies highlight that during this period, there was a marked decrease in her use of traditionally feminine linguistic markers and an increase in masculine markers, such as usage of words over six letters and first-person plural pronouns, reflecting a more authoritative and collective communication approach (Jones 2016). |
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@DFlhb - When has National Review, NBC News, Washington Post ever been shown to be biased to Republicans? |
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As she transitioned from the First Lady to U.S. Senator, and later as Secretary of State, Clinton's masculine communication style became more pronounced, particularly during public and high-stakes engagements. The evolution of her linguistic style from 1992 to 2013 supports the expectation that Clinton's language grew increasingly masculine as her political involvement and positions of power expanded. This change aligns with broader patterns observed among female politicians who adopt masculine communication styles when seeking influence in male-dominated settings (Jones 2016). |
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:IP, Wikipedia will only claim Clinton is an "election denier" if [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] themselves explicitly label her that. It doesn't matter how many Clinton quotes you post here, because it would be [[WP:OR|original research]] for any of us Wikipedia editors to label her an "election denier" based on our own analysis/interpretation of her direct quotes. [[User:Bennv123|Bennv123]] ([[User talk:Bennv123|talk]]) 18:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC) |
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These shifts were not only responsive to immediate political challenges but also strategic adaptations to the gender expectations within political communication. The evolution of Clinton's communication style underscores the complexities female politicians face in navigating male-dominated political spheres, reflecting both gender dynamics and strategic communication adjustments. |
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Citations: |
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Jones, Jennifer J. 2016. “Talk ‘Like a Man’: The Linguistic Styles of Hillary Clinton, 1992-2013.” Perspectives on Politics 14 (3): 625-642. This article provides an analysis of Clinton's linguistic style adjustments over her career, illustrating how her communication strategies were influenced by her roles and the expectations of her as a female politician in various political contexts. [[User:Walteraleksic1011|Walteraleksic1011]] ([[User talk:Walteraleksic1011|talk]]) 20:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Communication Style in Political Roles
Throughout her political career, Hillary Clinton's communication style exhibited significant adaptations in response to her changing roles and the political environment. During her time leading the administration’s Health Reform Task Force, Clinton adopted a notably masculine style of speech. This shift was strategically aimed at navigating the predominantly male-oriented political arena of health policy reform. Studies highlight that during this period, there was a marked decrease in her use of traditionally feminine linguistic markers and an increase in masculine markers, such as usage of words over six letters and first-person plural pronouns, reflecting a more authoritative and collective communication approach (Jones 2016). As she transitioned from the First Lady to U.S. Senator, and later as Secretary of State, Clinton's masculine communication style became more pronounced, particularly during public and high-stakes engagements. The evolution of her linguistic style from 1992 to 2013 supports the expectation that Clinton's language grew increasingly masculine as her political involvement and positions of power expanded. This change aligns with broader patterns observed among female politicians who adopt masculine communication styles when seeking influence in male-dominated settings (Jones 2016). These shifts were not only responsive to immediate political challenges but also strategic adaptations to the gender expectations within political communication. The evolution of Clinton's communication style underscores the complexities female politicians face in navigating male-dominated political spheres, reflecting both gender dynamics and strategic communication adjustments. Citations: Jones, Jennifer J. 2016. “Talk ‘Like a Man’: The Linguistic Styles of Hillary Clinton, 1992-2013.” Perspectives on Politics 14 (3): 625-642. This article provides an analysis of Clinton's linguistic style adjustments over her career, illustrating how her communication strategies were influenced by her roles and the expectations of her as a female politician in various political contexts. Walteraleksic1011 (talk) 20:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)