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Article should have mention of this briefing (today) in the Reactions section. [[User:HammerFilmFan|HammerFilmFan]] ([[User talk:HammerFilmFan|talk]]) 23:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== America is responsible for the attacks == |
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America launched the chemical attaccks as an excuse to blame Assad and invade, here is the proof. http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/syria-false-flag.jpg |
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http://www.tehrantimes.com/middle-east/110195-hundreds-killed-in-syria-gas-attack-reports- I nominate this source because it does the best job of describing the Syrian response to this Sarin claim or Syrian Holocaust. Particularly, the first nine paragraphs of it describe allegations and reactions. 173.14.238.118 (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Confirmed?
Please stop deleting the alleged until there is an official Proof. Official in the case is the UN. Other Parties like "West" or "State" are just propagating their view. We have to wait for UN for Confirmation. Until then it is alleged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.203.78.1 (talk) 00:55, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Many parts of the article (including the title) read as if the attack was confirmed by reliable sources. What I'm reading in sources is that currently it's only a claim by the opposition, which makes the article factually inaccurate. Mohamed CJ (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
- That's why I insisted on the Analysis, verifiability, doubts and speculations section. Just in the last few hours the US State Department said that so far they have been unable to confirm that chemical weapons were used in the attacks but that they are continuing to investigate. EkoGraf (talk) 22:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
- That section reflects the situation. Perhaps these two source will help with expanding it: [1], [2]. Mohamed CJ (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- I think the way the number of victims is mentioned in the article is misleading. It assumes the number of victims to be unconfirmed and to vary between 183 to 1,729. While these numbers were from the first reports and were still to be confirmed, now all recent reports from organizations on site confirm numbers higher than 1,200 as far as I can tell. Additionally, the explicit mention of the (SOHR) source afterwards with their number of 183 is really misleading for the readers and suggests taking it as the more reliable number! A list of documented victims is already available from the 'united office of human rights - eastern Ghouta' with a number of 361 victims: [3] documented with names, and a total of 1,286 confirmed but still to be identified. Also here is another reliable source, with detailed reports and references in contrast to SOHR: [4]. The official confirmed number from the 'united medical center in eastern Ghouta' is 1,302 and it does not include numbers from westen Gouta. A copy of the official document is shown on the aforementioned site towards the end of it. I strongly suggest putting this source and this number instead of the SOHR, since it seems to be the more honest and reliable source. Additionally I suggest removing the SOHR altogether since it's outdated, with no references (they operate through people working for them on ground but no office on site and didn't do the counting themselves as I understood from activists in the region), and they have no new numbers or reports about their current count. Id10tothe9 (talk) 12:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes it is confirmed by reliable sources all over the planet including hundreds of videos from the multiple towns that were hit. Furthermore whoever sourced that "professor of microbiology" claiming that these attacks would cause blisters, that is completely erroneous. If one bothered to simply check the Wikipedia page for nerve gas, you'll find that there are no blisters formed from any type of nerve agents and this source is probably mistaking them for another chemical weapon like mustard gas or Lewisite. The rest of the section is pure conjecture by projecting motives onto Assad without any actual basis in fact. ~ Sincerely, user bbcrackmonkey
- The reliable sources have so far only relayed the videos of the alleged attacks, not confirmed that chemicals were actually used. And each time when the sources talk about the videos they note that they can not independently confirm the authenticity of the claims. EkoGraf (talk) 09:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia page for nerve gas does mention blisters: "Blisters and burning of the eyes and/or lungs may also occur." Boardhead (talk) 14:58, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Assad is not allowing UN experts already in damascus to investigate the issue,Assad knows that he will be caught,and the investigation will prove that his army launched it.Alhanuty (talk) 17:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
This entire article is hearsay; all citations are to journalists repeating the unproven assertions of third parties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.255.234 (talk) 03:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Assad just gave the green light to the inspectors. EkoGraf (talk) 16:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I've just updated the article. Take a look at this edit by user:FutureTrillionaire. Do you find it appropriate? I've contacted him on this talk page regarding it. Mohamed CJ (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
- Both the Assad regime and the opposition agree that a chemical attack happened. There's no debate about that. The perpetrator however is disputed.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 16:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, reliable sources are still referring to the attack as alleged (BBC, AJE). I don't think Wikipedia should jump ahead of sources. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
- Both the Assad regime and the opposition agree that a chemical attack happened. There's no debate about that. The perpetrator however is disputed.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 16:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
So what is your reply to my point above about the SOHR source being totally out of place and that the numbers should be corrected? I'm new to editing wikipedia articles so I don't want to break any rules but if no reply comes I'm going to edit that source out and put the correct numbers because this article currently serves as a propaganda for untruthful claims. Id10tothe9 (talk) 16:22, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
SOHR, even though an opposition activist group, has reported on both Army and rebel war crimes in the past in a neutral manner and has been established an authoritative and neutral source on the number of dead in the conflict. Example, they report 322 dead documented so far while FSA and SNC claim 1,300-1,700 without verification from the get-go. EkoGraf (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
To inform you Eco,that Iran said that the syrian government will allow inspectors in,just before Iran saying that in 24 hours,imran al zoabi said they won't allow the visit,It is Iran and Russia that pressured to allow the visit.Alhanuty (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Attack self inflicted by rebels?
Are we including references of allegations that the attack was purposefully staged to initiate an international response? These arguments highlight the timing of the attack and audaciously close distance to resident UN inspectors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.175.149 (talk) 04:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
^~~This is complete conjecture with zero basis in fact beyond the press release of the Assad regime.
If you read the article CNN, The Telegraph and some others have voiced some doubts about the timing, so its not just Assad. EkoGraf (talk) 09:23, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Very impossible militarily,firstly the attacks where launch by ground to ground missiles,which only assad has,they were launched from mount Qasioun ,which is a important Assad stronghold,the attack occurred at night,and if the rebels don't have advance weaponry,then how they would have chemicals weapons,only Assad has chemical weapons,and who says rebels have chemical weapons,then they are out their mind,and how Sunni rebels would attack a sunni population,it is possible an alawite army can attack a Sunni population.Alhanuty (talk) 17:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
You dumb alhnuty......Western military send rocket launcher for destroys mi-24 hind.......And the rebels are know for massacre and says after that the regime is the cuprilt ; so you're are a pro-rebels!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.24.214.103 (talk) 12:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
I am not,this is based of the reports from the article some people make full investigations,and definitely there will be doubts,but most proves goes with that Assad commited it,realized that Assad media firstly denied it,then said rebels did it,even Iranian president rouhani said he was sad for the victims,even alot of people,pro-Assad ones know that Assad made a huge mistake,he brought it on himself,he know when U.S says that is a red line,that is a red line.Alhanuty (talk) 16:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
And you better stop launching personal attacks on me,and spreading rumors that there is a conflict between me and Eco,he is a neutral user,and I admire his neutrality,sometimes we might disagree,but there is no conflict .Alhanuty (talk) 16:32, 24 August 2013 (U
Id you made again a rebel propaganda and try to deform my words you going to be ban.....And EkoGraf is nothing more but a rebel's loyal maid.....
Assad involvement is proven by expert,even tho doubts continue,and stop launching personal attacks against me and EkoGrak,or else i will report you for harassing me and EkoGrak.Alhanuty (talk) 18:35, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
NO conclusions yet.Very likely the attack was from the rebel side as many media and experts now doubt that the army was the one which did the attack(check out expert opinion on CNN Telegraph and others..)Chemical agent is confirmed not to be Sarin which everyone talked about it seems to be another sort of nerve agent.Probably a false flag for intervention by the west.79.126.220.94 (talk) 23:08, 24 August 2013 (UTC) The attack is very likely done by Assad,due he is refusing UN investigators to enter the areas bombed and investigate,and the opposition in the ghouta agreed to allow UN to investigate.Alhanuty (talk) 01:41, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
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CNN report of sniper fire against UN vehicles deleted
A recent edit deleted a CNN report of UN vehicles on their way to the site of chemical attack coming under fire from Syrian snipers. Should this be restored? Tkuvho (talk) 13:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like it has been reported by reliable sources, so I certainly think so. When restored, it should be noted that it is NOT known who had fired the sniper shots. I will go as far as to not even specify them as "syrian snipers", but rather just snipers. CNN reports -- http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/26/world/meast/syria-civil-war/ -- that the UN vehicle was shot multiple times by an unknown sniper. Wisdomthatiswoe (talk) 16:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Kerry news conference - sounds like strikes inevitable
Article should have mention of this briefing (today) in the Reactions section. HammerFilmFan (talk) 23:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
America is responsible for the attacks
America launched the chemical attaccks as an excuse to blame Assad and invade, here is the proof. http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/syria-false-flag.jpg