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::::Is there any [[WP:NOR|reliable source]] for this so called "unofficial motto"? The word "unofficial" doesn't overrule [[WP:SOURCE]]. |
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::::As stated above, interpreting this quote from the athem as an "unofficial motto" is just a private theory, trying to transfer the US-concept of ''state symbols'' on to a foreign nation. There is no national (or a state) motto, nickname, animal, fower or what ever in Germany! --[[User:Martin Kraft| ]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraft|talk]]) 20:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC) |
::::As stated above, interpreting this quote from the athem as an "unofficial motto" is just a private theory, trying to transfer the US-concept of ''state symbols'' on to a foreign nation. There is no national (or a state) motto, nickname, animal, fower or what ever in Germany! --[[User:Martin Kraft| ]] ([[User talk:Martin Kraft|talk]]) 20:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::James Minahan, The complete guide to national symbols and emblems, Vol. 1, 2009, page 407 |
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:::::"''Motto Einigkeit und recht und freiheit (German); Unity and justice and freedom (English)''"[http://books.google.de/books?id=Y85XAAAAYAAJ&q=einigkeit+und+recht+und+freiheit+motto+federal+republic&dq=einigkeit+und+recht+und+freiheit+motto+federal+republic&hl=de&sa=X&ei=tHSeUt_UCMXbswan34HwCA&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAg] |
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:::::Juliet Steyn, Other Than Identity, 2009, page 148 |
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:::::"''...the Federal Republic's motto, 'unity, law, and freedom'...''"[http://books.google.de/books?id=wRoNAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA148&dq=einigkeit+und+recht+und+freiheit+motto+federal+republic&hl=de&sa=X&ei=tHSeUt_UCMXbswan34HwCA&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA] |
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:::::Rede von Bundespräsident Christian Wulff bei der Verleihung des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zum Tag der Deutschen Einheit am 4. Oktober 2011 in Berlin: |
:::::Rede von Bundespräsident Christian Wulff bei der Verleihung des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zum Tag der Deutschen Einheit am 4. Oktober 2011 in Berlin: |
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Civilian Service
The times have changed a lot. While I was serving the Red Cross in 1998/99 it was 10 month for the guys in the army and 13 (!) for the conscientious objectors like me. Only during the very final stages of compulsory service the time you had to serve either the army or any civilian institution was the same (from 9 month down to 6).
I can't remember there was a 6 months service. I was one of the last who had to do the compulsory service and it was definitly 9 months!
chancellors-list
can somebody please add a list of all german chancellors. That would be great, or at least one very importan chancellor Konrad Adenauer, the first chancellor after the second worldwar. (I'm sorry for my english..) --Wichtighuber (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)wichtighuber
- This list was already compiled, see List of German chancellors. GermanJoe (talk) 19:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
But it would be fine, if you or somebody else mention Adenauer as first chancellor and how he handeled the german seperation between east and west. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wichtighuber (talk • contribs) 21:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
pls sign your edits in future Oliveru1980 (talk) 17:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Stadium of Borussia Dortmund
The name of the statium changed to "Signal Iduna Park". http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Iduna_Park — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.182.179.134 (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
There is too much history information in the lead
It currently consists of three paragraphs (out of six total which is already too long for a lead) which gives undue weight and too many details according to WP:LEAD to be relevant in the general article for a country. I am going to be bold and start cutting some info down to be as brief and concise of an historical overview as possible (particularly removing some info on early germanic tribes which is not immediately relevant to the modern Federal Republic), occupying two paragraphs at most. If anyone objects to specific changes I make, we are free to discuss it here. Cadiomals (talk) 23:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
More lead trimming
Some more suggestions to bring the lead to a more concise state - the last 2 paragraphs could be trimmed and probably even merged. Expendable phrases include:
- "The country ranks highly in many international metrics of performance" - redundant, several of those metrics are already listed or paraphrased in the same paragraph (Healthcare, economy, import, export, science, ...). The metrics list article could be linked somewhere else in the article or in the "See also" section.
- "and is a member of several international institutions" - redundant and obvious, the most notable institutions are listed in detail anyway.
- "It took a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council for the 2011–2012 term." - past event and frankly not that important in the great scheme of things (a lot of countries get non-permanent seats eventually).
Comments welcome. GermanJoe (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
FDP no longer in Bundestag
In this section
Since 1949, the party system has been dominated by the Christian Democratic Union and the Social Democratic Party of Germany. So far every chancellor has been a member of one of these parties. However, the smaller liberal Free Democratic Party (which has had members in the Bundestag since 1949) and the Alliance '90/The Greens (which has had seats in parliament since 1983) have also played important roles.
change, within the parentheses, from "which has had members in the Bundestag since 1949" to "which has had members in the Bundestag from 1949 to 2013" , see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Democratic_Party_%28Germany%29 for confirmation.
LouisRavin (talk) 20:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
National Motto
Hello, Germany doesn't have an official national motto. Maybe, also ask the German wikipedia-friends. --Asiaten-Kenner (talk) 12:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- True, it's inofficial but accepted and should remain. Added "inofficial" here. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 12:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- It must be removed. Writing that down is giving false impression that there is a motto, which is simply not a fact. Wikipedia shouldn't spread false information. --Asiaten-Kenner (talk) 16:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- True, it's inofficial but accepted and should remain. Added "inofficial" here. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 12:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
It's on our coins, it's on Bundeswehr uniforms, it's in books and articles throughout the web, it's mentioned on the Bundestag website. What else do you need? A motto is evolving and doesn't have to be in the national constitution. In fact you're trolling. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 18:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- To my knowledge and in contrast to most of the american states there is nothing like an official national motto (flower, nickname, etc.) in nowadays Germany - not even an unofficial one (which is irrelevant for Wikipedia anyway).
- „Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit“ is just a commonly used quote from germany's national athem and its interpretation as an "unofficial motto" is original research at its best. Infoboxes should contain hard facts not not hearsay! -- (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Is there any reliable source for this so called "unofficial motto"? The word "unofficial" doesn't overrule WP:SOURCE.
- As stated above, interpreting this quote from the athem as an "unofficial motto" is just a private theory, trying to transfer the US-concept of state symbols on to a foreign nation. There is no national (or a state) motto, nickname, animal, fower or what ever in Germany! -- (talk) 20:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- James Minahan, The complete guide to national symbols and emblems, Vol. 1, 2009, page 407
- "Motto Einigkeit und recht und freiheit (German); Unity and justice and freedom (English)"[1]
- Juliet Steyn, Other Than Identity, 2009, page 148
- "...the Federal Republic's motto, 'unity, law, and freedom'..."[2]
- Rede von Bundespräsident Christian Wulff bei der Verleihung des Verdienstordens der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zum Tag der Deutschen Einheit am 4. Oktober 2011 in Berlin:
- Datum:04. Oktober 2011Ort:BerlinBulletin103-2
- "Gestern haben wir die Deutsche Einheit gefeiert, für mich das Wichtigste, was eine Nation erreichen kann: Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit." [3]
- Rede des Präsidenten des Deutschen Bundestages, Dr. Norbert Lammert, beim Festakt zum Tag der Deutschen Einheit am 3. Oktober 2012 in München:
- Datum:03. Oktober 2012Bulletin88-2
- "„Wir sind das Volk“, dichtete Ferdinand Freiligrath 1848 in den Tagen der deutschen Revolution. Wir sind ein Volk, heißt es seit dem 3. Oktober 1990. Dazwischen liegen anderthalb Jahrhunderte schwieriger deutscher Geschichte im Ringen um Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit." [4]
- Rede von Bundeskanzlerin Dr. Angela Merkel beim Besuch von US-Präsident Barack Obama am 19. Juni 2013 am Brandenburger Tor in Berlin:
- Datum:19. Juni 2013Bulletin72-2
Parliament Picture
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Zeitgen%C3%B6ssige_Lithografie_der_Nationalversammlung_in_der_Paulskirche.jpg/220px-Zeitgen%C3%B6ssige_Lithografie_der_Nationalversammlung_in_der_Paulskirche.jpg)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2006-0315-500%2C_Berlin%2C_Reichstagssitzung.jpg/220px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2006-0315-500%2C_Berlin%2C_Reichstagssitzung.jpg)
I'd like to implement an interior picture of a German parliament, as the parliaments always been a crucial factor in German history since the 19th century.
So either we could go for the first German parliament at Frankfurt's Paulskirche or perhaps go for the intimidating picture of the Nazi parliament with Hitler speaking. I'd prefer this image to the Hitler picture in the article myself. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- In connection to this: The comeback of double-images would be preferrable. The article looked much better with them and contained a lot more crucial visual information. Additionally, they're used in many good country articles. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 13:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I think the article shouldn't have more images than now. Fortunately, there are already two exterior pictures of the Reichstag building, and one of them (the second one) could be replaced by a (modern) interior one. I don't think historical parliament pictures represent present-day German politics well. —Kusma (t·c) 14:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Of course these historical parliament pictures are meant to illustrate German history, not modern Germany. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Though the Paulskirche Parliament is an often cited predecessor and role model for modern Germany. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)