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::That was my goal. The only real possible contentious point could be removing excessive refs, but someone else thinking I'm trying to remove a POV or something. I just hoped I didn't annoy anyone by removing refs. But a line really doesn't need 5 references lol. 2 or 3 is plenty. [[User:Jeancey|Jeancey]] ([[User talk:Jeancey|talk]]) 00:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC) |
::That was my goal. The only real possible contentious point could be removing excessive refs, but someone else thinking I'm trying to remove a POV or something. I just hoped I didn't annoy anyone by removing refs. But a line really doesn't need 5 references lol. 2 or 3 is plenty. [[User:Jeancey|Jeancey]] ([[User talk:Jeancey|talk]]) 00:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Isn't it about time this article was renamed? == |
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⚫ | The lead wrongfully said that Hamas called this event the Battle of al-Furqan and that unnamed others called it the Gaza Massacre. That is directly contradicted by the cited sources, and per the past RFC on the issue I am restoring the original attributions. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 01:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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{{Requested move/dated|Operation Cast Lead}} |
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[[:Gaza War]] → {{no redirect|Operation Cast Lead}} – |
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Yes, I know it's been discussed before, but it's time we discussed it again. The recent conflict in Gaza, even if it wasn't widely dubbed a 'war', makes Wikipedia's decision to title this article as though it was the first, only or most significant military conflict in Gaza look sillier than ever. There were 'Gaza Wars' before this one, and there will be more 'Gaza Wars' in future. It's just far too vague. |
Yes, I know it's been discussed before, but it's time we discussed it again. The recent conflict in Gaza, even if it wasn't widely dubbed a 'war', makes Wikipedia's decision to title this article as though it was the first, only or most significant military conflict in Gaza look sillier than ever. There were 'Gaza Wars' before this one, and there will be more 'Gaza Wars' in future. It's just far too vague. |
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:(Given the number of incoming links, I'd be happy for [[Gaza War]] to remain as a redirect for the time being. In the long-term though, I think there's a reasonable argument for turning it into a disambiguation page. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 01:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)) |
:(Given the number of incoming links, I'd be happy for [[Gaza War]] to remain as a redirect for the time being. In the long-term though, I think there's a reasonable argument for turning it into a disambiguation page. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 01:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)) |
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:* '''Oppose''' for now. First, this obviously was the biggest "Gaza War" with most deaths and let us think positive thoughts it will remain so. If not, we can deal with it. |
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::Secondly, not all the various Israeli incursions/attacks are named after the propaganda name operations of the dominant military powers and perhaps there should be a broader discussion of how they should be named. I personally would prefer month/season and year, which currently many are named instead of an operation, but obviously this one is 3 odd weeks over two different years which makes it a big clumbsier. ''[[User:Carolmooredc|CarolMooreDC]]'' 05:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC) |
::Secondly, not all the various Israeli incursions/attacks are named after the propaganda name operations of the dominant military powers and perhaps there should be a broader discussion of how they should be named. I personally would prefer month/season and year, which currently many are named instead of an operation, but obviously this one is 3 odd weeks over two different years which makes it a big clumbsier. ''[[User:Carolmooredc|CarolMooreDC]]'' 05:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:* '''Support''' As formal move requester per Robofish. I've supported [[Gaza War]] in the past and probably it should remain as redirect and perhaps eventually a disambiguation page. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]]'s rational refers to applicable naming convention and search engine results. --[[User:AgadaUrbanit|AgadaUrbanit]] ([[User talk:AgadaUrbanit|talk]]) 15:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC) <small>edited for formal request move at 01:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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Rocket attacks
If RS do not draw a link shuld we imply one? Yes the attacks declined but there may have been reasons for this unrelated to the conflict.????
Length of this article
This article is WAY WAY too big. I began to cut it down by removing excess references, useless reference names (those with reference names, but only are used once), Removing unneeded parts from urls or references (especially long quotes. Quotes should really only be used when access to the original source is impossible online, i.e. if you got it from a physical book or newspaper), as well as combining duplicate references. I haven't finished yet, but if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to bring them up! Jeancey (talk) 18:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- If it's just ref cleanup and trimming down on some excessive stuff, I wouldn't worry too much. If you start removing some entire content as "not notable" or "important" enough, depending on the content (who knows, it could really not be notable enough) it may face some discussion. I've looked through the edits you just made, and they seem fine to me though, just ref cleanup and no actual effect on the content as far as I could tell. --Jethro B 22:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- That was my goal. The only real possible contentious point could be removing excessive refs, but someone else thinking I'm trying to remove a POV or something. I just hoped I didn't annoy anyone by removing refs. But a line really doesn't need 5 references lol. 2 or 3 is plenty. Jeancey (talk) 00:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
what hamas called it
The lead wrongfully said that Hamas called this event the Battle of al-Furqan and that unnamed others called it the Gaza Massacre. That is directly contradicted by the cited sources, and per the past RFC on the issue I am restoring the original attributions. nableezy - 01:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
White phosphorus shell fired into Israel
No accurate prove except one line in a newspaper report without an official Israeli assurance or neutral other assurance. Then why it's there???? Why every time I remove it someone keep reverse it???? --elbarck (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Requested move
Gaza War → Operation Cast Lead –
Yes, I know it's been discussed before, but it's time we discussed it again. The recent conflict in Gaza, even if it wasn't widely dubbed a 'war', makes Wikipedia's decision to title this article as though it was the first, only or most significant military conflict in Gaza look sillier than ever. There were 'Gaza Wars' before this one, and there will be more 'Gaza Wars' in future. It's just far too vague.
It's also out of step with the titles of our other articles on military conflicts involving Israel and Gaza, see: Operation Rainbow (2004), Operation Days of Penitence, Operation Summer Rains (2006), Operation Autumn Clouds, Operation Hot Winter and most recently Operation Pillar of Defense. Logically, then, this article should be titled Operation Cast Lead. And, I believe, that would be the WP:COMMONNAME as well. I realise Google searches are a very crude tool, but "Operation Cast Lead" yields 6 million results, while "Gaza War" +2009 (to rule out the other wars in Gaza) yields only 1 million.
So: I propose this article be moved to Operation Cast Lead. Who agrees? Robofish (talk) 01:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- (Given the number of incoming links, I'd be happy for Gaza War to remain as a redirect for the time being. In the long-term though, I think there's a reasonable argument for turning it into a disambiguation page. Robofish (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC))
- Oppose for now. First, this obviously was the biggest "Gaza War" with most deaths and let us think positive thoughts it will remain so. If not, we can deal with it.
- Secondly, not all the various Israeli incursions/attacks are named after the propaganda name operations of the dominant military powers and perhaps there should be a broader discussion of how they should be named. I personally would prefer month/season and year, which currently many are named instead of an operation, but obviously this one is 3 odd weeks over two different years which makes it a big clumbsier. CarolMooreDC 05:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- Support As formal move requester per Robofish. I've supported Gaza War in the past and probably it should remain as redirect and perhaps eventually a disambiguation page. Robofish's rational refers to applicable naming convention and search engine results. --AgadaUrbanit (talk) 15:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC) edited for formal request move at 01:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)