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[[User:Skornezy|Skornezy]] Instead of disrupting the article through [[WP:DISRUPT|unconstructive edits]], attempt to raise your issue in the talk page. "''[[WP:CAUTIOUS|Be cautious about making a major change to an article. Prevent edit warring by discussing such edits first on the article's talk page.]]''" Despite numerous attempts at engaging, you havent responded and have simply continued with removing [[WP:CRV|large amounts of sourced content]]. [[User:Shadowwarrior8|Shadowwarrior8]] ([[User talk:Shadowwarrior8|talk]]) 09:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC) |
[[User:Skornezy|Skornezy]] Instead of disrupting the article through [[WP:DISRUPT|unconstructive edits]], attempt to raise your issue in the talk page. "''[[WP:CAUTIOUS|Be cautious about making a major change to an article. Prevent edit warring by discussing such edits first on the article's talk page.]]''" Despite numerous attempts at engaging, you havent responded and have simply continued with removing [[WP:CRV|large amounts of sourced content]]. [[User:Shadowwarrior8|Shadowwarrior8]] ([[User talk:Shadowwarrior8|talk]]) 09:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::The issue is not so much with the sources used, the issue is the [[WP:OR]], [[WP:UNDUE]], and [[WP:SYNTH]] that's spammed all over this article. I don't have time to go through every single example with you, but I will give you one example that's probably the worst offender: |
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::In your lead it states: |
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:::{{talkquote|Russia and Iran has launched extensive military interventions to prevent the downfall of the Assad regime through scorched earth tactics across Syria, which has resulted in around 600,000 deaths, millions of forced displacements; triggering the largest refugee crisis in the world. During this period, Bashar al-Assad closely aligned himself with Vladimir Putin, providing Russia with military bases in the country. Much of the country's cities have been turned into rubbles, heritage sites and infrastructure have been destroyed.}} |
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::Now, you cite two sources for this: The first being an [https://www.globalissues.org/news/2019/08/21/25577 opinion piece] (although written by a relevant expert, it should not be used over academic research) The relevant quote is this: |
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:::{{talkquote|After the entire nation on 15 March 2011 became embrolied in a ruthless civil war, the age-old cities of Aleppo, Homs, and Hama have been totally destroyed; their mosques, palaces, souqs and quasbas, several of them world heritage sites, are in ruins. Worst than the irreversible damage wrecked on homes, world heritage and a multi-faceted and generally indulgent society is the incomprehensible suffering of individuals; men, women, and children, caught up in precarious situations they cannot control while being used as pawns in cynical power games. In March 2018, the death toll of the Syrian war was estimated at 511,000. 7 On the 4th of August this year, the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) had 5,626.914 Syrian refugees registered 8 and estimated that 6.2 million individuals were internally displaced. 9 These are statistics, figures, though it is important to realize that every number stands for a human being. We may read and talk about the hardship affecting those who have survived the carnage – refugees and internally displaced persons – but is it really possible to discern the suffering affecting each and every one of them? Can we really not do anything to understand and help them?}} |
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:::Not only is the 600k figure inaccurate, the assertion that Russia and Iran are responsible for these hardships is not found anywhere in the opinion piece, it's purely your editorializing. |
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:::The [https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/syria-pariah-state/ second source] (which I have no issue with), also makes no mention. |
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:[[User:Skornezy|Skornezy]] ([[User talk:Skornezy|talk]]) 10:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC) |
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September 2023
Skornezy Instead of disrupting the article through unconstructive edits, attempt to raise your issue in the talk page. "Be cautious about making a major change to an article. Prevent edit warring by discussing such edits first on the article's talk page." Despite numerous attempts at engaging, you havent responded and have simply continued with removing large amounts of sourced content. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 09:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- The issue is not so much with the sources used, the issue is the WP:OR, WP:UNDUE, and WP:SYNTH that's spammed all over this article. I don't have time to go through every single example with you, but I will give you one example that's probably the worst offender:
- In your lead it states:
Russia and Iran has launched extensive military interventions to prevent the downfall of the Assad regime through scorched earth tactics across Syria, which has resulted in around 600,000 deaths, millions of forced displacements; triggering the largest refugee crisis in the world. During this period, Bashar al-Assad closely aligned himself with Vladimir Putin, providing Russia with military bases in the country. Much of the country's cities have been turned into rubbles, heritage sites and infrastructure have been destroyed.
- Now, you cite two sources for this: The first being an opinion piece (although written by a relevant expert, it should not be used over academic research) The relevant quote is this:
After the entire nation on 15 March 2011 became embrolied in a ruthless civil war, the age-old cities of Aleppo, Homs, and Hama have been totally destroyed; their mosques, palaces, souqs and quasbas, several of them world heritage sites, are in ruins. Worst than the irreversible damage wrecked on homes, world heritage and a multi-faceted and generally indulgent society is the incomprehensible suffering of individuals; men, women, and children, caught up in precarious situations they cannot control while being used as pawns in cynical power games. In March 2018, the death toll of the Syrian war was estimated at 511,000. 7 On the 4th of August this year, the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) had 5,626.914 Syrian refugees registered 8 and estimated that 6.2 million individuals were internally displaced. 9 These are statistics, figures, though it is important to realize that every number stands for a human being. We may read and talk about the hardship affecting those who have survived the carnage – refugees and internally displaced persons – but is it really possible to discern the suffering affecting each and every one of them? Can we really not do anything to understand and help them?
- Not only is the 600k figure inaccurate, the assertion that Russia and Iran are responsible for these hardships is not found anywhere in the opinion piece, it's purely your editorializing.
- The second source (which I have no issue with), also makes no mention.
- Skornezy (talk) 10:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)