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:::::: And have Turkey, "for example", been an origin country of the falafel? Or was its name, for example, driven from the Turkish language? --[[user:عباد ديرانية|aad_Dira]] ([[user talk:عباد ديرانية|talk]]) 19:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC). |
:::::: And have Turkey, "for example", been an origin country of the falafel? Or was its name, for example, driven from the Turkish language? --[[user:عباد ديرانية|aad_Dira]] ([[user talk:عباد ديرانية|talk]]) 19:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC). |
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Just a note about my edit summary, I meant 3 days ago, not 3 years ago. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 18:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</small> |
Just a note about my edit summary, I meant 3 days ago, not 3 years ago. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<font color="#C11B17">nableezy</font>]]''' - 18:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)</small> |
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Falafel is also very popular in Israel, where it is considered a national food, so it's wrong to call falafel "Arab food". - Zorobabele |
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::Are you down, Nishidani? I would love the credit for the WikiCup but not enough to tackle it on my on. It has also been kind of cool lording the fact that we somehow got a GA out of an article in this topic area. It also doesn't meet my standards in hindsight. If anyone wants to go for it you have my full backing and assistance.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 08:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC) |
::Are you down, Nishidani? I would love the credit for the WikiCup but not enough to tackle it on my on. It has also been kind of cool lording the fact that we somehow got a GA out of an article in this topic area. It also doesn't meet my standards in hindsight. If anyone wants to go for it you have my full backing and assistance.[[User:Cptnono|Cptnono]] ([[User talk:Cptnono|talk]]) 08:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:It's incredibly stupid. The food isn't Palestinian or Israeli, it's Egyptian and eaten in the entire Middle East. --<small style="font: 13px Courier New>[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</span>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</span>]]</span></small> 03:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC) |
:It's incredibly stupid. The food isn't Palestinian or Israeli, it's Egyptian and eaten in the entire Middle East. --<small style="font: 13px Courier New>[[User:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monochrome</span>]]<big>_</big>[[User talk:Monochrome Monitor|<small style="font: 13px Courier New">Monitor</span>]]</span></small> 03:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC) |
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It's incredibly stupid, because there are many more serious problems in the Middle East right now. - Zorobabele |
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Middle East section
I have gone back to the original cited source to check the accuracy of material found in the Middle East section concerning Palestinian resentment. The source[1] states, “Following independence in 1948, and the influx of European Jews escaping from the Holocaust, falafel was embraced as a unifying icon that appealed to both Ashkenazi newcomers and long-established Sephardic Jews, without being the exclusive cultural property of either group.” There is no correlation made in the cited material between the iconic status of Falafel in Israel and the cause for Palestinian resentment. However, the same source goes on to state, “By the 1970’s, Jewish cookbooks included falafel recipes that made no mention of their Arab origins, which led many Palestinians to resent the appropriation of their dish.” The latter situation and not the former is defined as the cause for the resentment. I have been bold and edited the section to more accurately reflect this. Veritycheck (talk) 20:53, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
References
- ^ Pilcher, Jeffrey M. (2006). Food in World History. Routledge. p. 115. ISBN 978-0-415-31146-5.
- Denomination of origin (covering a single word like 'Champagne') is entirely separate from copyright (covering extended creative works). One of the cited articles treats them as identical, but we shouldn't repeat the error here. Any legal complaints about use of the single word 'falafel' would be D.O., not copyright.
- This paragraph refers to "the relationship between Arabs and Israelis", but a sizeable portion of the Israeli population is Arab. Perhaps this is referring to "Israeli Jews" or even "Ashkenazic Israeli jews"? B k (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Arab food
The current lead doesn't indicate a particular geographical region or a culture the food belongs to, unlike most food articles (like Dango and Sushi, for example). Falafel is a traditional food throughout most Arab world, including Egypt, levant and Arab peninsula. Its name itself is of an Arabic origin. So I suggest describing it in the lead as an "Arabic food", as it is part of the Arabic culture and cuisine --aad_Dira (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC).
- Maybe it should be called a Middle Eastern food? 96.251.19.59 (talk) 09:18, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- The name is taken from the Arabic language and the food is native for the Arab people, per WP:SPADE there is no need for change --aad_Dira (talk) 10:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC).
- The name is not taken from Arabic, it is Ancient Egyptian as discussed in the article. It is in fact a genuinely Egyptian food that spread to the rest of the region. --192.35.156.11 (talk) 19:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Not really. Yes there is two theories, but the most common is that it is taken from the Arabic word "Filfil". The other, newer theory says it is of an Coptic origin. Even though, the Egyptian local "ṭaʿmiyya" (Which is also its local name of the food in large parts of the Arab world, including the gulf states) is driven from Arabic --aad_Dira (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2012 (UTC).
- Except that the food itself and the ingredients used to make it have absolutely nothing to do with filfil. The problem is the broad ignorance in the Arab world of the Egyptian language and its impact. I bet you most Egyptians also don't know that "footah" is a Coptic word even though it is the local word for the proper Arabic "manshafah". --192.35.156.11 (talk) 20:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- I think rather the problem is the high value Egyptians give to the coptic words. Having a local words from old language native to the region is very common: Levant (shami) dialects have many words taken from Aramic, and Maghreb dialects similarly have many Berberic words. It is a natural process that languages quote the terms used by neighborhood people, every language have too many words taken from other close languages, English itself have a very high percentage of German and Italian words. Anyway, this is not our subject, and it is not our job to discuss how trustworthy is the etymology of a word or another. An example of Arab food articles is Shawarma, it is of an levant origin, but it is described as Arab, because it is now traditional and cultural for the whole Arab world --aad_Dira (talk) 21:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC).
- Except that the food itself and the ingredients used to make it have absolutely nothing to do with filfil. The problem is the broad ignorance in the Arab world of the Egyptian language and its impact. I bet you most Egyptians also don't know that "footah" is a Coptic word even though it is the local word for the proper Arabic "manshafah". --192.35.156.11 (talk) 20:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Not really. Yes there is two theories, but the most common is that it is taken from the Arabic word "Filfil". The other, newer theory says it is of an Coptic origin. Even though, the Egyptian local "ṭaʿmiyya" (Which is also its local name of the food in large parts of the Arab world, including the gulf states) is driven from Arabic --aad_Dira (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2012 (UTC).
- It was just a suggestion, as it sounded like you were unhappy with the name "Arab food". 96.251.19.59 (talk) 22:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- The name is not taken from Arabic, it is Ancient Egyptian as discussed in the article. It is in fact a genuinely Egyptian food that spread to the rest of the region. --192.35.156.11 (talk) 19:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- The name is taken from the Arabic language and the food is native for the Arab people, per WP:SPADE there is no need for change --aad_Dira (talk) 10:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC).
Just a note about my edit summary, I meant 3 days ago, not 3 years ago. nableezy - 18:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Question
Question: why is falafel considered part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? That seems to be stretching things a bit. --1ST7 (talk) 21:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- You'd think it wouldn't, but it did. See here. Daniel Case (talk) 04:58, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- Weird, huh? Almost like how I feel after demolishing a massive pita full of falafel on a Saturday night.
- The subject has been an issue because Arabs accuse Israel of stealing food as much as land. They probably have a point but you can't really expect a neighbor to not smell your BBQ and decide to not make their own. I have not put any effort into this since GA since it was getting kind of shitty but that as a few years ago. I would love to help someone out if they want to go to FAC with this.
- The lead needs expansion, the North American/potential Western Europe subsection seems too short, etymology is too fragmented, a section about the I-P real world dispute could be added, the record section should be consolidated into another section, the picture with the blue spatula isn't that good, and other things could be improved. If someone wants to go for it I'll help you out.
- Are you down, Nishidani? I would love the credit for the WikiCup but not enough to tackle it on my on. It has also been kind of cool lording the fact that we somehow got a GA out of an article in this topic area. It also doesn't meet my standards in hindsight. If anyone wants to go for it you have my full backing and assistance.Cptnono (talk) 08:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's incredibly stupid. The food isn't Palestinian or Israeli, it's Egyptian and eaten in the entire Middle East. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
must fava beans be cooked first?
The article suggests that dried fava beans must be cooked because of health reasons. The falafel will of course be cooked anyway, so I'm assuming that the author meant pre-cooked. But, well, does anyone really do this? And must they? The fava bean falafel recipes I find on the web make no mention of cooking them first, and in truth I imagine it would make for disastrously crumbly falafel if this were attempted. Furthermore the two references given are hardly persuasive. Thoughts anyone? 81.156.189.88 (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
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About the IPA
Regarding the dialectal pronunciation IPA in the beginning of the article, which dialect(s) are being referred to? This should be added to the article, as different Arabic varieties have different pronunciations. --KoveytBud (talk) 03:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)