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List being updated
creative commons list being updated here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eA5-mCZLSS4MQY5QGb5ewC3VAL6pLkT53V_81ZyitM/preview
Victor Grigas (talk) 02:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- If you check it again, the list itself is gone, and all that remains is tips for how to avoid such sites. Perhaps best used for that purpose. Although maybe you could copy it with that license to another Wiki website for archiving purposes. Sagecandor (talk) 02:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
List of fake news sites
I'm not sure that this is encyclopedic.
There are bound to be thousands and thousands of fake news sites both in existence now, and in the future.
If we name all of them, the article will be over dominated by such a list as opposed to discussion about them in paragraph form from cited sources.
Maybe the link given as a source could be most useful in either the "Further reading" or "External links" section.
Also, this source link appears to be a re-hashing of the list made by Melissa Zimdars, a media professor at Merrimack College in Massachusetts, which is already discussed in paragraph form in the article itself, and already linked as further reading.
Sagecandor (talk) 02:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- You know, I think you are right. That said, there are many pages on Wikipedia that are 'list of...'. What if we make a new page for 'list of fake news sites? It's not a place to learn ABOUT fake news (like this article is) but a place to identify what sites are fake news.Victor Grigas (talk) 02:42, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Victorgrigas:That's a great idea ... I'm not sure any of those fake news sites are individually "notable" to be on a list, are they? I think we should let the outside experts like Melissa Zimdars keep compiling the lists externally, and we can link back to them in the article here, what do you think? Sagecandor (talk) 02:53, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I think the notability comes from the external list itself? What if at least two external sites claim for a site to be fake? What are the notability rules for this on Wikipedia? Is there an internal list of what sites might be considered noteworthy?Victor Grigas (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe we can use as a model the article you added to the "See also" section, namely List of satirical news websites. In that one it appears that to be listed there, all the sites have to be independently "notable" with their own already existing articles on Wikipedia. Perhaps we should stick to that type of standard? Sagecandor (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I've created List of fake news websites using the list that was here. It should be expanded, but each entry should be individually sourced as I have done using named references. --JFH (talk) 03:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Jfhutson:That's a great initiative on your part, but I'm not sure Wikipedia is the place for that unless they are all each notable on their own. It's likely over time that page will either get deleted or redirected back to here, probably. Sagecandor (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think any of these are likely to be notable, but a list of them is useful, and I can't think of a guideline that would lead to its deletion as long as we source it.--JFH (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to do the effort to expand it, source it, and maintain it, that's awesome. I hope you're right! Sagecandor (talk) 03:18, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think any of these are likely to be notable, but a list of them is useful, and I can't think of a guideline that would lead to its deletion as long as we source it.--JFH (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Jfhutson:That's a great initiative on your part, but I'm not sure Wikipedia is the place for that unless they are all each notable on their own. It's likely over time that page will either get deleted or redirected back to here, probably. Sagecandor (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I've created List of fake news websites using the list that was here. It should be expanded, but each entry should be individually sourced as I have done using named references. --JFH (talk) 03:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe we can use as a model the article you added to the "See also" section, namely List of satirical news websites. In that one it appears that to be listed there, all the sites have to be independently "notable" with their own already existing articles on Wikipedia. Perhaps we should stick to that type of standard? Sagecandor (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I think the notability comes from the external list itself? What if at least two external sites claim for a site to be fake? What are the notability rules for this on Wikipedia? Is there an internal list of what sites might be considered noteworthy?Victor Grigas (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Victorgrigas:That's a great idea ... I'm not sure any of those fake news sites are individually "notable" to be on a list, are they? I think we should let the outside experts like Melissa Zimdars keep compiling the lists externally, and we can link back to them in the article here, what do you think? Sagecandor (talk) 02:53, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Added three secondary sources
Added three secondary sources to sources Business Insider, and The Plain Dealer, and The Hollywood Reporter -- with edit here.
Sagecandor (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Also removed reference to citation The Washington Post for same information and solely relying on secondary sources as mentioned above. The fact that many other secondary sources are now reporting on this exact same information from The Washington Post now makes it even more noteworthy. Sagecandor (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Possible page move
Should this be called Fake news or Fake news article with content about the sites in a section within? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:17, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Nah it's big enough for its own independent article. Sagecandor (talk) 13:02, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Paul Horner quote
I cut this yesterday with User:Snooganssnoogans's agreement, but User:Sagecandor has added it back - what does the article gain by telling the reader that one particular fake news writer claims to make $10,000 dollars a month and believes that "Trump is in the White House because of me"? It's not a useful figure on the profit from fake news because the next paragraph has a secondary source for Balkan teenagers making ten times that much, and it's all WP:NEWSPRIMARY - a secondary source commenting on one liar's impact might be worth mentioning, but that liar's self-aggrandising assessment of his own work seems inappropriate. --McGeddon (talk) 08:46, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- I understand how you feel and it is certainly most upsetting information. But it has been re-quoted and re-reported by many many secondary sources, three of which I cited in the article text itself, including "According to Business Insider, The Hollywood Reporter, and The Plain Dealer ..." before the quoted text itself. Sagecandor (talk) 13:01, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Lots and lots of coverage in searches verbatim for "Paul Horner" and "Fake". Whether we like it or not, it is getting lots and lots of analysis from secondary sources. Sagecandor (talk) 13:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Merge "Facebook and fake news" into this article
Proposal to merge "Facebook and fake news" into this article.
Covers exact same topic.
This article here covers it in better detail and better sourcing at section:
Fake_news_website#Responses_from_Google_and_Facebook.
Sagecandor (talk) 15:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC)