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:'''Oppose''' – I've never heard of the "wet air cooler" and "dry air cooler" terminology (is there even a source for that?), but have been familiar with evaporative coolers my whole life. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC) |
:'''Oppose''' – I've never heard of the "wet air cooler" and "dry air cooler" terminology (is there even a source for that?), but have been familiar with evaporative coolers my whole life. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 16:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' as per A1. -- '''<font color="#199199">[[User:P199|P 1 9 9]]</font>''' • <small>[[User talk:P199|TALK]]</small> 20:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC) |
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Evaporative vs. 'swamp' cooler
As now described in the article, evaporative cooler is the name for these devices in the HVAC industry. But swamp cooler is a fun, informal term, so it is retained via the redirect as well as descriptions in the article. 129.237.114.171 17:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC) (an ASHRAE guy)
Merge
Huh? No way! Evaporative cooler is about a devise. Evaporative cooling is about a natural phenomenon. I don’t see how they could possibly be seen as mergable. --S.dedalus (talk) 05:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- No, thanks. Both articles are a good length and having "cooler" as a sub-section of "cooling" (it would have to be that way around, wouldn't it?) would make the result too big. Also: as User:S.dedalus. --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Merge OK, but change the structure
"Evaporative cooling" (the physical process) should be the main heading. "Evaporative cooler" (the thing that relies on the physical process) should be a subset User: Dougoh
Multiple Corrections
- Pollen? Absurd! The evaporative cooler *IS* the filter and pollen won't pass thru. As for odors, the number one problem here is because of poor maintenance and the musty stench will come from the unit itself... evaporative cooling is an excellent way to filter the majority of water-soluble air pollution out of outdoor air as long as it is providing comfortable temperatures indoors; a well maintained and well purged evap unit can actually be very helpful to an asthma patient living in an area experiencing high ozone levels, they are quite good at removing ozone.
- *More* actual cooling (Not less!) happens in hotter temperatures. The amount of cooling provided is the change in temperature from inlet to outlet.
When the dewpoint is the same, more water evaporation occurs at higher temperatures, and the difference in temperature between the inlet and the outlet of the evaporative cooler is greater. Sure, the *actual temperature* of the outlet air may be somewhat greater... but to say that the unit provides less cooling is completely incorrect, particularly because an undersized freon-based unit actually will provide less cooling in hotter temperatures as the hot-side of the heat exchange pump may experience difficulty discharging heat and much greater pressures are required to compress freon at higher temperatures, which decreases the amount of liquid-phase freon a compressor can provide to the evaporator core inside a building. Long story short: The BTU cooling effect of a swamp cooler is GREATER in higher temperatures (at the same dewpoint) but the BTU cooling effect of a recirculating air conditioner is actually LOWER. (Note: none of this changes the fact that the freon-based units - when sized correctly - can reach much lower temperatures in the first place :)
- Joined high humidity to its first actual listed disadvantage.
- Increasing humidity does NOT improve thermal comfort! The more humid it is, the hotter it feels. Still, some people like moisture at lower temperatures because it keeps them from feeling too dry.
- Described the air filtration advantage versus typical AC systems, especially in dry climates.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaphraud (talk • contribs)
- Zaphraud, thanks for your good work on this! I grew up in the Southwest with these things, and they're great. Dicklyon (talk) 00:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Example Cooling Statement is Misleading
The article give 3 examples of the cooling effect rule of thumb and implies the cooler can reach nearly 21C at ambient of 40C and RH=15%. While the statement is strictly true, it is not an illustration of the rule of thumb. The wet bulb temp at 40C and 15% RH is 21C--so the cooler will perform about 4C higher per the rule of thumb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.91.8.99 (talk) 23:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 00:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Evaporative cooler → Wet air cooler — A move is needed to signify that the article deals around a special type of air cooler. Rather than using the term evaporative, using wet allows to differ this article from dry air coolers (or dry-ype air coolers) Will allow beter tuning with the air conditioner article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.91.30 (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Strongly disagree. The common term in use is evaporative cooler, as the cooling is performed evaporatively. For the record, a move suggestion has been made on air conditioner and air conditioning as well as evaporative cooler.User A1 (talk) 10:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose – I've never heard of the "wet air cooler" and "dry air cooler" terminology (is there even a source for that?), but have been familiar with evaporative coolers my whole life. Dicklyon (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose — WP:COMMONNAME
— V = I * R (talk) 22:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose; the term "wet air cooler" is legitimate, but archaic, obscure, and largely obsolete. It is one term for an evaporative cooler; the term I use is "swamp cooler". The problem that the IP seeks to address lies in the article's content, not its page name. Wet air cooler should be a redirect to Evaporative cooler, which should include alternate terms in its lede. --Una Smith (talk) 03:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. I've used swamp coolers for years, and always used the term 'evaporative cooler' in more formal speech. I've never heard the term 'wet air cooler' used. Cnilep (talk) 18:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.