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It would be very difficult for me to accept the advice of an editor on wiki policy who themselves cannot accept the consensus on the issue of flags, and flouts the policy on there user page! You are pushing an agenda which I find tedious, now if you persist we should just take it to an Admin, and I will have as little to do with you as possible! --[[User:Domer48|Domer48]] 08:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
It would be very difficult for me to accept the advice of an editor on wiki policy who themselves cannot accept the consensus on the issue of flags, and flouts the policy on there user page! You are pushing an agenda which I find tedious, now if you persist we should just take it to an Admin, and I will have as little to do with you as possible! --[[User:Domer48|Domer48]] 08:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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: I resent your accusation that I am "POV pushing" when, in fact, I have edited this article to actually '''''remove''''' POV from it! |
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: As for the "work done by Emma Groves" - that is not my primary concern as an editor of Wikipedia, and nor should it be yours. By all means expand the article in what ever way you see fit, but bear in mind that there are other editors here, some of whom might see this article and come to the same conclusion that I have: that its an advertisement (for want of a better description) rather than an encyclopedic article. Emma Groves is obviously a notable person, as you say, and probably quite courageous. I have not challenged that however. |
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: The reliable source thing is, by the way, your problem: you are an editor of Wikipedia. I don't need to find sources to back up things I haven't been involved with adding in the first place - you need to find alternative sources which are less biased, in line with the policy and/or guidelines of Wikipedia. |
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: As for it being "difficult" for you to accept the advice of and editor on wiki policy etc.. flags have nothing whatsoever to do with this article, and I'd thank you to refrain from being so damned patronising. Since you mention the flags issue (and presumably you're talking about the Northern Ireland flag), I saw no consensus. Things in that regard had been relatively stable in Wikipedia for some time before the New Year, to be frank. And I don't know what policy you think I have "flouted" on my user page. |
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: Lastly, with regard to my name, I was in error. As I said, I got quite unnerved.. basically because I saw it excessively wiki-linked. |
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: I'm sure you have experience as an editor enough to deal with the problems the article had in a mature and rational manner. I will be steadfast until I see some attempt to sort it, instead of merely reverting my edits wholesale. --<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:larger;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">[[User:Setanta747|Mal]]</span> 09:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Suggestion of bias
Referenced sources were provided, if alternative sources refute them, they should be included. Regards --Domer48 18:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- six minutes in. Not for the faint hearted.--Vintagekits 00:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- Its not a question of whether or not the material has sources - its the way in which the article and material therein is presented: Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Before reverting again, please check the comments included in my edits. Thanks. --Mal 07:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::"There were several edits I made that were undone wholescale with no consideration for merit on individual basis." Explaine your actions before removing material, this information is referenced! --Domer48 07:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I already explained in my edit summary. Please do not revert again: Wikipedia is not a soapbox. --Mal 00:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The information is therefore relevant
Emma Groves devoted her life to the fight against plastic bullets. It therefore played a signifying and notable part. The information is therefore relevant. Do not remove this information, it is considered vandalism. Just because you do not like it is hardly a reason. --Domer48 07:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Justify removal of referenced information
Setanta747 has used the following reasons to remove the same information.
- removal of several things for various reasons, including removal of biased sources. (Bold type my own)
Although Setanta747, also says, "Its not a question of whether or not the material has sources - its the way in which the article and material therein is presented: Wikipedia is not a soapbox."
- rv to non-POV version: Also - please do not remove the tags I added. (Note: Tags were placed on a referenced source)
- reverted article to a less-POV and more encyclopediac version.
Obviously Setanta747 dose not like the information and considered it biased, and has shown that they wish to push this POV on other editors.
Explain how the information is biased?
Why POV Tags were placed on referenced information?
Why the information in the article is POV?
Regards--Domer48 08:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Firstly, I chose a username on this site for a reason. Please refer to me by that username: I find your insistance of including my other name and linking it quite unnerving and rude. I have changed your links in this section. Thank you for your co-operation.
"Explain how the information is biased?"
- The information in the article is quite obviously biased. Although much of the woman's life after she had been shot by a rubber bullet, was focused on a campaign against the usage of rubber and plastic bullets, the article need only state that fact: it needn't join her campaign.
- There is no need for a table outlining the numbers of these types of bullets fired in Northern Ireland during an eleven year period, though such a table might be useful in an article specifically about rubber/plastic bullet usage.
"Why POV Tags were placed on referenced information?"
- I believe Wikipedia has a policy regarding biased sources. The Andytown News is well-known for a particular bias, of which IrelandClick.com is a stablemate. So, too are Ireland Initiative Heidelberg (reprint of a story from Irish Republican News), Sinn Féin, Relatives for Justice and I would suspect Irish National Caucus also.
"Why the information in the article is POV?"
- *shrug* I guess either the person or people that added the information had a POV, or they weren't aware of Wikipedia's policy on reliable, unbiased sourcing. --Mal 01:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
POV pushing
Without the work done by Emma Groves this type of information would never have been produced. It is as a result of this work that she became an outstanding and notable member of her community. This article is to be expanded, and as such this section will play a major part.
As to you deciding what is and what is not a reliable source that is your problem, as you have to find sources to refute the information and give it balance if you feel it needs it. As to your assertion of bias you will have to establish that, again through referenced information.
And finally your User name, go talk to someone who cares! Not interested in a user who feels the need to have two names, and pulls editors up for using the wrong one!
It would be very difficult for me to accept the advice of an editor on wiki policy who themselves cannot accept the consensus on the issue of flags, and flouts the policy on there user page! You are pushing an agenda which I find tedious, now if you persist we should just take it to an Admin, and I will have as little to do with you as possible! --Domer48 08:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to take what ever you like to whomever you like.
- I resent your accusation that I am "POV pushing" when, in fact, I have edited this article to actually remove POV from it!
- As for the "work done by Emma Groves" - that is not my primary concern as an editor of Wikipedia, and nor should it be yours. By all means expand the article in what ever way you see fit, but bear in mind that there are other editors here, some of whom might see this article and come to the same conclusion that I have: that its an advertisement (for want of a better description) rather than an encyclopedic article. Emma Groves is obviously a notable person, as you say, and probably quite courageous. I have not challenged that however.
- The reliable source thing is, by the way, your problem: you are an editor of Wikipedia. I don't need to find sources to back up things I haven't been involved with adding in the first place - you need to find alternative sources which are less biased, in line with the policy and/or guidelines of Wikipedia.
- As for it being "difficult" for you to accept the advice of and editor on wiki policy etc.. flags have nothing whatsoever to do with this article, and I'd thank you to refrain from being so damned patronising. Since you mention the flags issue (and presumably you're talking about the Northern Ireland flag), I saw no consensus. Things in that regard had been relatively stable in Wikipedia for some time before the New Year, to be frank. And I don't know what policy you think I have "flouted" on my user page.
- Lastly, with regard to my name, I was in error. As I said, I got quite unnerved.. basically because I saw it excessively wiki-linked.
- I'm sure you have experience as an editor enough to deal with the problems the article had in a mature and rational manner. I will be steadfast until I see some attempt to sort it, instead of merely reverting my edits wholesale. --Mal 09:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)