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:::Her family comes from there...she doesnt live there (and there is no info that she ever did), And NYT is about as reliable on Nabi Saleh affairs as Aruz Sheva (Btw, ''who'' said they loved her? Mustafa?) [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC) |
:::Her family comes from there...she doesnt live there (and there is no info that she ever did), And NYT is about as reliable on Nabi Saleh affairs as Aruz Sheva (Btw, ''who'' said they loved her? Mustafa?) [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: The NYT piece I cited above says she's from there.[https://www.webcitation.org/mainframe.php] She was involving in the bombing while she was a student in nearby Birzeit - following which she spent time in an Israeli jail and then (following a prisoner exchange deal) in exile in Jordan. However, the NYT piece makes abundantly clear that she's from the village and mentions both Mustafa and Ahlam - clearly showing they are discussed as a set.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 06:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC) |
:::: The NYT piece I cited above says she's from there.[https://www.webcitation.org/mainframe.php] She was involving in the bombing while she was a student in nearby Birzeit - following which she spent time in an Israeli jail and then (following a prisoner exchange deal) in exile in Jordan. However, the NYT piece makes abundantly clear that she's from the village and mentions both Mustafa and Ahlam - clearly showing they are discussed as a set.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 06:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC) |
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== RFC See also == |
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*[[Ahed Tamimi]] |
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*[[Ahlam Tamimi]] |
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--[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]]) 08:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Both''' or '''Neither''' the [[WP:RS]] discuss them together for example [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/ahed-tamimi-latest-palestinian-girl-14-years-prison-kicking-spitting-israeli-soldiers-protest-family-a8149411.html],[https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/magazine/is-this-where-the-third-intifada-will-start.html] so mention only one is clear POV violation.--[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]]) 08:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC) |
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Non-notable individual who died, apparently as a result of tear gas or a tear gas canister fired to quell a violent demonstration in which he was participating. Brief news-cycle thing, no demonstration of IMPACT or ONGOING coverage.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:29, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- The individual may be non-notable (the article does not make such a claim), but his death meets WP:NEVENT, per sources already in the article. I suggest the tag be removed. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:33, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps I was not clear. The individual was non-notable before his death. The death itself occurred as the individual took place in a violent, but not notable political protest. The incident appears to non-notable because coverage was limited to a brief flurry of coverage, and a follow-up article relating that the soldier who fired the tear gas canister was not criminally liable. No coverage showing IMPACT or ONGOING coverage. This looks like a WP:POVFORK of Nabi Salih#Weekly protests, where this death is appropriately covered.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- According to what criterion the template was removed per WP:WTRMT?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrike (talk • contribs)
- I disagree. This death passes NEVENT / GNG - mainly to the coverage of much more prominent family members that bring Mustafa up as a martyred relative - however this has generated LASTing and rather wide coverage. The more relevant question is one of a merge if there is a suitable target.I don't see how this won't survive an AfD (though merge might be a possible outcome there - redirect or delete are off the table) - the appropriate discussion type would be a merge proposal if this is a suitable target.Icewhiz (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- I tagged the page for notability because sources seem inadequate. Revisiting after the tag was removed, I could see that it is a WP:CONTENTFORK of Nabi Salih#Weekly protests, where it should be merged.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- E.M.Gregory: How about Killing of Esther Ohana? --Mhhossein talk 14:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Merger attempt is really questionable to me given the similar article created by EMG himself. Apparently, there's a misunderstanding regarding WP:CONTENTFORK:
"A content fork is the creation of multiple separate articles (or passages within articles) all treating the same subject."
Are we really talking about the same subject? --Mhhossein talk 14:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- I tagged the page for notability because sources seem inadequate. Revisiting after the tag was removed, I could see that it is a WP:CONTENTFORK of Nabi Salih#Weekly protests, where it should be merged.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree. This death passes NEVENT / GNG - mainly to the coverage of much more prominent family members that bring Mustafa up as a martyred relative - however this has generated LASTing and rather wide coverage. The more relevant question is one of a merge if there is a suitable target.I don't see how this won't survive an AfD (though merge might be a possible outcome there - redirect or delete are off the table) - the appropriate discussion type would be a merge proposal if this is a suitable target.Icewhiz (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Non-violent demonstration
Icewhiz: This source says that he was killed in a non-violent demonstration. I have no idea why you removed the sourced content based on your own interpretation? --Mhhossein talk 14:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's a PRIMARY report - and may perhaps be seen as the political position of the UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office, but nothing else. There are other positions - e.g. [1] -
Testifying before military police investigators, the soldier who fired the grenade said he did not see Tamimi when he pulled the trigger. He stated that he fired in response to a massive barrage of rocks being thrown at the vehicle he was in, and that he did not see anybody in his line of fire. This account was adopted by others in the IDF Central Command, and was backed up by Military Advocate for Operational Matters Lt. Col. Ronen Hirsch's Thursday announcement.
. According to B'Tselem (you can see a video of photographs here, including of him) - he was shot "as he threw stones at a military jeep". Per the Independent (an actual RS) - Clashes at Palestinian protester's funeral -"Mustafa Tamimi was shot in the head on Friday as he threw stones at an armoured jeep during a regular weekly protest by residents of the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh"
. So - non-violent is not quite borne out by actual sources here.Icewhiz (talk) 14:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Ahed Tamimi in See also
Mustafa is Ahed Tamimi's cousin and both are/were activists, hence they're relevant to each other, the requirement mentioned in MOS:SEEALSO. --Mhhossein talk 12:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ahlam Tamimi is also a cousin, and was also active in Palestinian activities against Israel, if we mention Ahed then we should mention Ahlam as well.Icewhiz (talk) 15:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree Ahlam Tamimi is known activist for Palestinian cause and should be included too.--Shrike (talk) 19:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- no....Ahlam Tamimi didn't even live in the village. There is nothing which link her to Mustafa Tamimi: this is just a new low smear tactic, towards a dead man, Huldra (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Umm no. Per the NYT Ahlam is from Nabi Saleh and is much loved there, despite jer conviction and subsequent exile in Jordan.[2]Icewhiz (talk) 20:48, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Her family comes from there...she doesnt live there (and there is no info that she ever did), And NYT is about as reliable on Nabi Saleh affairs as Aruz Sheva (Btw, who said they loved her? Mustafa?) Huldra (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- The NYT piece I cited above says she's from there.[3] She was involving in the bombing while she was a student in nearby Birzeit - following which she spent time in an Israeli jail and then (following a prisoner exchange deal) in exile in Jordan. However, the NYT piece makes abundantly clear that she's from the village and mentions both Mustafa and Ahlam - clearly showing they are discussed as a set.Icewhiz (talk) 06:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Her family comes from there...she doesnt live there (and there is no info that she ever did), And NYT is about as reliable on Nabi Saleh affairs as Aruz Sheva (Btw, who said they loved her? Mustafa?) Huldra (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Umm no. Per the NYT Ahlam is from Nabi Saleh and is much loved there, despite jer conviction and subsequent exile in Jordan.[2]Icewhiz (talk) 20:48, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
RFC See also
What should appear in See Also section
- Ahed Tamimi
- Ahlam Tamimi
- Both
- Neither