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*'''Support''' yes lots of meaning of this term. The physics one is not the first that pops to my mind. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 22:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' yes lots of meaning of this term. The physics one is not the first that pops to my mind. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 22:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak support''' I don't believe that stellar coronae are the primary topic. Leaving aside coronavirus, I would bet that our readers are far more likely to associate the word with [[Corona (beer)]] than an esoteric astrophysical phenomenon. Simply between those two, I think there's reason enough to have a primary dab. I don't believe the colloquial usage of corona to refer to coronavirus will be of lasting significance once the crisis has passed, especially in reliable secondary sources. I would oppose coronaviruses or related articles as primary topic per [[WP:RECENTISM]], but that's not the question being asked right now. Like others I prefer the natural disambiguation [[Stellar corona]] over any parenthetical disambiguation. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— [[User:Wugapodes|Wug·]][[User talk:Wugapodes|a·po·des]]</span> 23:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Weak support''' I don't believe that stellar coronae are the primary topic. Leaving aside coronavirus, I would bet that our readers are far more likely to associate the word with [[Corona (beer)]] than an esoteric astrophysical phenomenon. Simply between those two, I think there's reason enough to have a primary dab. I don't believe the colloquial usage of corona to refer to coronavirus will be of lasting significance once the crisis has passed, especially in reliable secondary sources. I would oppose coronaviruses or related articles as primary topic per [[WP:RECENTISM]], but that's not the question being asked right now. Like others I prefer the natural disambiguation [[Stellar corona]] over any parenthetical disambiguation. <span style="white-space: nowrap;">— [[User:Wugapodes|Wug·]][[User talk:Wugapodes|a·po·des]]</span> 23:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. Even before COVID, the beer probably outranked the physics. [[Stellar corona]] appears more natural per Wugapodes.--[[User:Pestilence Unchained|Pestilence Unchained]] ([[User talk:Pestilence Unchained|talk]]) 05:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC) |
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Requested move 29 March 2020
– DAB from Coronavirus/Coronavirus disease 2019/2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and the many other uses of "Corona" on the DAB page. Although the virus etc isn't usually called just "corona" and I had heard of the plasma meaning (from this video) and I immediately thought of the solar meaning when I first heard of the virus, it seems likely that there is no clear primary topic by PT#1 even though by PT#2 it could be the solar meaning. As far as page views go the solar meaning has 363,262 views but Corona (beer) gets 275,114, Victor and Corona gets 222,535, Corona, California gets 36,463, Corona (band) gets 27,479, Corona (soft drink) gets 23,999, Corona (song) gets 19,000 and Corona (satellite) gets 15,911. Clearly the "much more likely than any other isn't met and neither is the "more likely than all the others combined"[[1]] and there are far more uses than those on the DAB. Coronavirus gets 8,326,235, Coronavirus disease 2019 gets 6,131,947 and 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic gets a staggering 17,858,073![[2]] Views[[3]] over the last 3 months show that 3 months ago the beer meaning often got double or more views than the solar meaning but its likely that views have increased due to people looking for the virus and ending up here. Although some might think that this is recentism, its likely that even in 10 or more years (per the 10 year test) the pandemic will be still important and the discussion for making the pandemic a level 4 vital article looks like a snowball case. The likes of Victor and Corona probably have enough long-term significance to at least put PT#2 to question. A Google search for corona returns more results for the virus than the solar meaning but that's probably because of recentism but sources like The Guardian do use just "Corona". Google Images mainly returns the beer but the virus is also prominent. Other options for the target include Corona (solar) or a natural disambiguator, Solar corona like on Commons. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support. The term corona for the virus, though informal, is pretty common and probably here to stay, but even ignoring that meaning, I still don't see a primary topic. There are just too many things with the name, including other natural phenomena, and some are quite prominent. The usage statistics are also strongly indicative of an absence of a primary topic: for last year, one out of nine people who arrived at Corona clicked through to the dab page, which suggests that a large proportion, likely a majority, of those readers searching for the term (in contrast to those arriving via incoming links) are looking for the other topics. And a note about the proposed new title: if the article is moved we might as well choose something more strictly unambiguous: there are several other coronas in physics (Corona (optical phenomenon), the corona of Corona discharge, and probably some of the others listed at Corona (disambiguation)#Physics). – Uanfala (talk) 21:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed I'd support this move even without the virus, I nearly used Corona (solar) but even that would be ambiguous. Corona (star) is another possibility but that would be ambiguous to. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support. The term "corona" has multiple meanings. In this day, it's most prominently used to refer to the SARS coronavirus 2 which is spreading throughout the world. In addition, back in December (before the coronavirus outbreak/pandemic became a big deal) Corona (beer) got over double the page views of Corona (of the sun). Toyota Corona's pageviews also surpassed those of the solar corona, and Corona, California came very close. Clearly, there is no primary topic for the word "corona". And with this pandemic (which will be remembered for a long time), corona refers to the virus much more than it refers to the sun. I actually think that Stellar corona would be a better title, since it specifically refers to stars and it already redirects to the article. Sanjay7373 (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support but I suggest Corona (Astronomy) or Solar Corona for the new name. Robertpedley (talk) 22:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Wouldn't Stellar corona be more appropriate? The article is about the coronae of stars generally, not just of the Sun. – Uanfala (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. No clear primary topic (even before the virus). Move disambiguation page to basename. (Also, I think "Stellar corona" might be the best name for this page, instead of "Corona (physics)".) Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support While I do admit that this somewhat falls within WP:RECENTISM, currently in day-to-day speech, "corona" has been colloquially used to refer to the 2019 coronavirus, likely because it's shorter and easier to say than "coronavirus", but also more memorable and impactful than "COVID-19". With this in mind, many readers will potentially want to search for the virus using this term. --benlisquareT•C•E 02:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support I was myself just thinking that Stellar corona is a much better title. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 07:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per long-term significance. The solar phenomenon is the original meaning of the term from ancient human times. Ancient peoples were in awe of the exotic nature of the solar corona visible only during total eclipses, and throughout history the word has been adopted in contexts which share similar qualities. Several places/company names on the DAB page are named for it either directly or second-hand. This makes it the primary topic regardless of page views. -- Netoholic @ 07:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes but I think there are so many other uses (including as noted others that have long-term significance) that there is overall no clear primary topic even if most (or all) derive from this. Especially with the virus I think readers are better served with a DAB. The beer could be moved to a longer name (namely Corona Extra) but even ignoring that it seems that there is still no primary topic. Corona, California says that the name is Spanish for "crown" so its possible that that place doesn't derive from this meaning. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Making any decision on this based on the virus is short-sighted and, frankly, ridiculous WP:RECENTISM. Coronavirus is named for the "halo" of projections around it - or "corona" - a word which has its derivation through millennia of human language all stemming from the visible "halo" around the eclipsed sun. That phenomenon was seen as the sun's "crown", so yes, the California city certainly derives from this meaning - second-hand, but clearly traceable. Yes, many topics on the DAB are long-term significant... but this meaning is undeniably THE longest-term significant one. If our goal is to educate the world, then showing how terms are derived is key to that. -- Netoholic @ 11:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Etymology is not determinative of primary topic status (see the well-known example of Boston at WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY), so what I'm adding now doesn't really contribute to the discussion, but the solar corona is definitely not
the original meaning of the term from ancient human times
(out article says as much in Corona#History), unless 1809 is counted as ancient times. Corona simply means "crown" in Latin and many other European languages, and that's the source of most meanings in English as well. – Uanfala (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)- I am not approaching this from a perspective of base etymology - but rather that in conceptual terms, the solar phenomenon has lent its meaning to other visually similar concepts which took on the same term. Those other concepts are rightly separate encyclopedia topics, but it does not diminish the fact that they were called "corona" directly because of the solar phenomenon. -- Netoholic @ 17:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Etymology is not determinative of primary topic status (see the well-known example of Boston at WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY), so what I'm adding now doesn't really contribute to the discussion, but the solar corona is definitely not
- Making any decision on this based on the virus is short-sighted and, frankly, ridiculous WP:RECENTISM. Coronavirus is named for the "halo" of projections around it - or "corona" - a word which has its derivation through millennia of human language all stemming from the visible "halo" around the eclipsed sun. That phenomenon was seen as the sun's "crown", so yes, the California city certainly derives from this meaning - second-hand, but clearly traceable. Yes, many topics on the DAB are long-term significant... but this meaning is undeniably THE longest-term significant one. If our goal is to educate the world, then showing how terms are derived is key to that. -- Netoholic @ 11:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes but I think there are so many other uses (including as noted others that have long-term significance) that there is overall no clear primary topic even if most (or all) derive from this. Especially with the virus I think readers are better served with a DAB. The beer could be moved to a longer name (namely Corona Extra) but even ignoring that it seems that there is still no primary topic. Corona, California says that the name is Spanish for "crown" so its possible that that place doesn't derive from this meaning. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support yes lots of meaning of this term. The physics one is not the first that pops to my mind. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support I don't believe that stellar coronae are the primary topic. Leaving aside coronavirus, I would bet that our readers are far more likely to associate the word with Corona (beer) than an esoteric astrophysical phenomenon. Simply between those two, I think there's reason enough to have a primary dab. I don't believe the colloquial usage of corona to refer to coronavirus will be of lasting significance once the crisis has passed, especially in reliable secondary sources. I would oppose coronaviruses or related articles as primary topic per WP:RECENTISM, but that's not the question being asked right now. Like others I prefer the natural disambiguation Stellar corona over any parenthetical disambiguation. — Wug·a·po·des 23:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Even before COVID, the beer probably outranked the physics. Stellar corona appears more natural per Wugapodes.--Pestilence Unchained (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC)