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Well then change Hamar hill (previous talk page section) to rebel held because my source indicated something, and Al-Masdar shows the same thing, which can be used to back this up. [[User:DuckZz|DuckZz]] ([[User talk:DuckZz|talk]]) 22:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC) |
Well then change Hamar hill (previous talk page section) to rebel held because my source indicated something, and Al-Masdar shows the same thing, which can be used to back this up. [[User:DuckZz|DuckZz]] ([[User talk:DuckZz|talk]]) 22:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC) |
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== ISIS editor map manipulation == |
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Hello, I will give one warning to the isis editor who keeps changing government held towns to isis control in East Hama, where they have clearly been beaten back and had to pull men back to palmyra and Quaratyn because of there hundreds of losses. Also in Deir Ez Zoir SAA control Al Tabayah and the missle battalion and the area to the eas of the misslile battaion. I have sources showing all these towns are in Syrian Army control. |
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Heres whats going to happen: post a source for the 14 towns and villages that have been changed to isis in the last day. |
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Fix Deir Ez Zoir. |
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If the sources are not posted within 20 hours I will revert all the changes on the map, as there has been no disscusion and no mention of these 'captures' by any news source pro gov/pro opp/pro isis. |
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If the bias continues and the false claims are not fixed I will push for this maps deletion again. Because it is becoming a scum pit of isis and jihadi supporters misleading the people who view this map. |
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The article and map will be considered for deletion to the appropriate administrators, you have 20 hours Jihadi boys fix it or face a wave of Government supporting editors coming here to fix it, or face deletion, your choice day dreamers. |
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Huwwarin
Since when has Huwwarin been under IS control? Which source was used to make this edit?Prohibited Area (talk) 09:11, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Well probably the same guy that put Mahin and Huwwarin under isis control 2 weeks ago, the founder of this page. I'll change it back and once a reliable source is produced it can be changed. But all my sources indicate this is still under SAA control and also Rouhoum in East Homs is under SAA control also, the pro ISIS editors go off on a tangent on the map, making them look better than they are, source is on my Talk page will edit it in.Fixed East Homs also Al Hawa and Rahhoum under SAA control and fixed unrealistic surroundings of towns 20 km from the front line! Source out dates the edits made by the pro isis editor ( map founder) :http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/east-homs-isis-carries-out-a-large-scale-assault-in-al-hawa/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by SyrianObserver2015 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- The rules say that you can't use a pro-Assad source for changes in favour of the regime. You should realise that al-Masdar/Leith Fadal is just a mouthpiece for regime propaganda. Much of his claims are pure fantasy.
- Please revert your changes, at least until you find a reliable source.
- Note also that "front line" has little meaning on a map with as low resolution as our map. As well, this is not first world war trench warfare. André437 (talk) 02:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
@Unknown you might want to have a look at the rules again then buddy, coming here and saying that does F.A. The change was made with 0 sources. Post your source or GTFO. SyrianObserver2015 (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Jazal oilfield
According to Reuters, IS took control of the Jazal oilfield northwest of Palmyra [1].131.188.48.174 (talk) 16:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- almasdar states that IS controls the Jazal village but lost control of two of the Jazal gas wells after initial advances [2]131.188.48.174 (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
- It's recaptured. Could editors turn it SAA held again. SOurce http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-takes-advantage-of-the-weather-and-launches-a-surprise-attack-in-western-palmyra/ MesmerMe (talk) 09:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Done with source provided. SyrianObserver2015 (talk) 17:06, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
pro SAA source: Homs governor: the Army fully gains control over the oil and gas fields in Jazal area. https://twitter.com/breakingnewssy/status/641646424749404160 https://twitter.com/Hope_Zahra/status/641650865317785600 https://twitter.com/Hope_Zahra/status/641601854690992128 Reliable source confirmed that SAA/NDF retook all of of Jazal Field/Oil Fields. from ISIS. https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/641653089506689026 and Anti-SAA source also confirmed that Regime army regains control of all oil wells in Jazal field in eastern Homs province. https://twitter.com/Abduhark/status/641632433448816640 Rohanny (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Syrian Army recaptures all gas fields and ground taken by ISIS in Jazel. Source:[3] SyrianObserver2015 (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Jazel Town captured, strategic hills east of Jazel also captured Source[4] SyrianObserver2015 (talk) 13:09, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
JAN/FSA seized Abu Duhur Airbase
1. BBC: Syria conflict: Jihadist rebels seize key Idlib airbase
2. Asian Defence: Photos claim to show JaN fighters inside Abu al-Duhur airbase near Idlib, Syria
3. WN: Syria conflict: Jihadist rebels seize key Idlib airbase
4. Healtonews: "Jihadist rebels seize key Syria airbase"
5. Reuters Daily Mail: "Syrian air base falls to rebels, troops exit - state TV" 212.174.38.3 (talk) 09:10, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Can someone make a half Al Nusra/Rebels fighter jet icon just the same way as for dots ? Because the airbase was captured both by Al Nusra and other groups like Jund Aqsa, Ahrar Sham and small FSA presence, but 50% is 50%. DuckZz (talk) 12:37, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- André437 You are the person for this job above. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 20:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- Jund al Aqsa is also AQ, and in fact has ISIS sympathies. It wouldn't be unfair to make this a grey only airport, as Nusra's been known to lead the siege for months. NightShadeAEB (talk) 22:55, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- Just did that. I also added other rebel-held towns near the airport, as they have supply lines running from Saraqib which allowed them to send fighters and equipment to the area using a road, in order to besiege the base. Previously, many of these towns along the road were unmarked. I also adjusted the size and coordinates of dozens of villages near Abu al-Duhur and Khanaser. May I ask what people think about these changes? Pbfreespace3 (talk) 00:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- All WPdians thanks a lot to you about the changes. The more villages on the map, the more it is informative on how the war proceeds.212.174.38.3 (talk) 09:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Jaish al Nasr mujahideen captured Ma'er Kebbeh, Hama
SuriyedenHaber Jaish al Nasr mujahideen captured Markabeh: video of the liberation 212.174.38.3 (talk) 08:52, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Deir Ezzor changes
on september 10 2015 Al Jazeera English reprted that ISIS fighters overran the "army's rocket battalion" near the Deir Ezzor military airport. I assume that is the same as the "missle battalion" on this map which is still shown as regime held please make this important update as quickly as possible. to assist Wikipedia with this I have provided links to useful news reports.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/isil-advances-military-airbase-eastern-syria-150910141157852.html http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/189517 http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/09/10/foreign/at-least-54-dead-as-is-advances-on-east-syria-airbase-monitor/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.128.124.35 (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Missile battalion and ground recaptured in Deir Ez Zoir 140+ ISIS killed 72 hours, 12/09/2015. Source: [5] Source from edit date: [6]SyrianObserver2015 (talk) 16:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
- These sources don't state that the missile battalion was captured by SAA. In fact, almasdar states clearly that the missile battalion is controlled by IS on this map: [7] (click on it to see the full map).84.138.69.94 (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
North Eastern Latakia Offensive.
Attacks on Kabir in North Latakia confirm the Syrian Army is on the offensive, will make edits of arcs west of this point (Kabir). Source: [8] SyrianObserver2015 (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Suwayda
We now have a source confirming that there have been clashes in Suwayda city between Balous-Druze men and the SAA/NDF. I suppose, giving the contents of this article, that we turn the city of Suwayda to contested between Druze en the regime. There is no fighting now, but like Hasakah and Qamishli, some parts of the city are clearly controlled by militiamen outside of government control. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/09/syria-sweida-protest-demonstration-druze-electricity.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.31.204.195 (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem like there is any fighting ongoing. It may be true that there are Druze militiamen in the city, but that is the same as saying there are FSA/Nusra members in al-Mayadin, or rebel fighters inside Homs city. The point being: it isn't really contested in the true sense of the word. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
its like qamishli joint control.Alhanuty (talk) 21:03, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
FSA and JAN captured Talat al Ziraa, Jubb al Ghar, Qabr Hashesh hill, Tallat Fares (Latakia)
- Suriyedenhaberler: Syrian Opposition captured Talat al Ziraa (Latakia). Islahhaber: The video that FSA/JAN killed 9 SAA/Assad soldiers in Jubb el-Ghar.
- FSA/JAN captured Jubb al Ghar (just right of Prophet Younis Peak) from SAA.
- FSA/JAN captured Qabr Hashesh hill and Tallat Fares near Nabi Ayoub Mount Peak in Akrad Mounts: 1 95.9.43.204 (talk) 08:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- All of these sources appear, at least to me, to be pro-opposition sources, which prevents me from making the edits. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Tuloul Hamar (Quneitra)
This hill was captured by rebels, marked green but then changed to contested because of clashes few months ago. This video shows the hill yesterday and as you can see, the clashed area is far away because the reporter can freely walk around it and show the important locations. In my opinion, SMART news agency is an fairly objective channel, based on rebel teritory but they have good reports. Opinions ? DuckZz (talk) 12:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- DuckZz, I agree. I will make the edit. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 21:31, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Kuweires air base
Pro-opp source https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/643405809137938432 states that SAA and ISIS are fighting inside Jabbul. Do we have it on our map?Paolowalter (talk) 21:59, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- Paolowalter, yes, it is on our map. I just made the edit. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Jayroud (Qalamun)
Al Masdar source showed this town under rebel control, and not under truce. I can't remember why we made this town under truce, most probably because Dumayr and Ruhayban are under truce. Usually we don't copy from maps but this is a speciall situation ? DuckZz (talk) 14:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- I made the edit. If it's wrong, meh, I'll take the flak for it. The map is from al-Masdar, so I think an edit based on it is justified.DaJesuZ (talk) 16:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
We actually made these 3 towns under a truce last year because of someone's map, i think it was petolucem. So i think we can use this map to fix our mistake. DuckZz (talk) 17:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- The map quoted is just a copy of ours and cannot be used. Some kind of truce must be operating because no fighting has been reported since a long time. To change the status we need fresh information, otherwise it stays as it is.Paolowalter (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- Heck, the Masdar map even shows Wa'er in Homs as under truce, even though SOHR reports that there is daily government firing on it: http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/09/continuous-clashes-in-the-eastern-countryside-of-homs-and-intense-aerial-bombardment-over-sahl-al-ghab/
- By the way, my personal opinion on map use is that we should be able to use maps as secondary sources to back up and further detail a reliable primary source, such as a Masdar or SOHR report. Especially in the case of maps made by al-Masdar. A legal justification for this use of maps is that the Masdar map specifically labelled towns and stated who controlled it based on an icon that the editor had to choose. That is why I made the recent edits near Homs with a Masdar map, because it clearly showed government losses versus how we had the map, and it was backed up by a neutral reliable source (SOHR) as well as an anti-gov source (@Nowresr twitter). In other cases with only a map, it is much more dubious, and therefore should not be used. But if a map is used to back up a primary source, then I personally believe that is OK. I think DuckZz, DaJesuZ, Alhanuty, Paolowalter, and Tradedia will agree with me on this.
- The Masdar map is based on ours, however there are big differences in some areas, for example East Homs, where the frontline was different from our map. What used to be a pro-gov source (Masdar), but is now considered reliable, reported ISIS was doing better than on our map, clearly showing several towns it controlled that we had not shown. That is why I made the edit, and it was also backed up by SOHR and other sources. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Well then change Hamar hill (previous talk page section) to rebel held because my source indicated something, and Al-Masdar shows the same thing, which can be used to back this up. DuckZz (talk) 22:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
ISIS editor map manipulation
Hello, I will give one warning to the isis editor who keeps changing government held towns to isis control in East Hama, where they have clearly been beaten back and had to pull men back to palmyra and Quaratyn because of there hundreds of losses. Also in Deir Ez Zoir SAA control Al Tabayah and the missle battalion and the area to the eas of the misslile battaion. I have sources showing all these towns are in Syrian Army control.
Heres whats going to happen: post a source for the 14 towns and villages that have been changed to isis in the last day.
Fix Deir Ez Zoir.
If the sources are not posted within 20 hours I will revert all the changes on the map, as there has been no disscusion and no mention of these 'captures' by any news source pro gov/pro opp/pro isis.
If the bias continues and the false claims are not fixed I will push for this maps deletion again. Because it is becoming a scum pit of isis and jihadi supporters misleading the people who view this map.
The article and map will be considered for deletion to the appropriate administrators, you have 20 hours Jihadi boys fix it or face a wave of Government supporting editors coming here to fix it, or face deletion, your choice day dreamers.