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::I took out the quotes because you said she said her husband speaks for her without citing such. I deleted your conclusions about what the picture meant because they were your conclusions. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] - [[User talk:Hipocrite|«<small>Talk</small>»]] 17:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC) |
::I took out the quotes because you said she said her husband speaks for her without citing such. I deleted your conclusions about what the picture meant because they were your conclusions. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] - [[User talk:Hipocrite|«<small>Talk</small>»]] 17:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC) |
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You're just wrong on this one, hip. |
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No wonder you want me to not edit political pages. Fat chance. |
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Read the FIRST word of his quote: WE. That's he and his wife. Got it? |
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You deleted the photo for NO GOOD REASON. You could have simply |
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characterized it as I did - she was holding Bush's hand and leaning forward so he could kiss her on the cheek which he was when the photo was snapped. |
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THIS IS VERY VALUABLE EVIDENCE that has been published on her site that helps bring clarity to whether her first of second version of what happened at that Bush meeting was accurate. |
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For you to exicse that because of PATHETIC, PALTRY, nitpicking reasons like the ones you stated suggests you are a walking POV masquerading as a concerned editor... |
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[[User:BigDaddy777|Big Daddy]] 04:38, 4 September 2005 (UTC) |
Revision as of 04:38, 4 September 2005
Talk:Cindy Sheehan/Archive 1 1st Archive August 20
Talk:Cindy Sheehan/Archive 2 2nd Archive September 2
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Archived the talk again. This article needed a clean slate anyway. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Rewrite (retrieved from archives)
Here's the re-write:
Sheehan and other grieving military families met with Bush in June 2004 at Fort Lewis, near Tacoma, Washington, nearly three months after her son's death. In a June 24, 2004, interview with the Vacaville Reporter published soon after the meeting, she expressed concerns about the president's changing justifications for war "every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached", as well as the way the war had been handled, but also told the reporter that President Bush was "...sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis...I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith." In addition Mrs Sheehan's husband Pat, whom Cindy has said shares her views, said this about the meeting" "We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us."[5]
On July 4, 2005 she was again interviewed by a local paper in Ft. Lewis, WA. [6] regarding her meeting with President Bush and completely changed her story. This time she descibed it as "one of the most disgusting experiences (she) ever had, and it took me almost a year to even talk about it." She described President Bush as being "detached from humanity" and said that "his mouth kept moving, but there was nothing in his eyes or anything else about him that showed me he really cared or had any real compassion at all." She continued, "He didn’t even know our names," asking "Who we'all honorin' here today?" when he first entered the room, and then referring to her as "Ma" or "Mom".
Both Sheehan's supporters and detracters were at odds at how to reconcile these two disparate accounts until photographic evidence became available.
A photo was circulated on the internet, retrieved from the cache at Google of her personal website where it was apparently taken down, that shows President Bush and Cindy Sheehan holding hands at the meeting in question . She is leaning forward and he is kissing her on the cheek. This would appear to lend more credence to her first version of what happened as opposed to her second. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/hipaatwo/sheehan.jpg
- That rewrite violated WP:NOR, and as such, I reverted most of it. If you'd like to let the picture speak for itself, I'd reccomend verifying it's copyright status, uploading it to wikipedia, and linking it to the article with the caption "Cindy Sheehan kisses president bush (during/after/before) their (date) meeting." Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Sorry Hip,
This was in no way a violation of WP:NOR. This is NOT original research but rather I used DIRECT QUOTES from the article which you deleted for NO reason.
I'm gonna put them back in because they reinforce a crucial point that her story CHANGED.
Why did you take those quotes out in the first place?
Big Daddy 17:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
You're just wrong on this one, hip.
No wonder you want me to not edit political pages. Fat chance.
Read the FIRST word of his quote: WE. That's he and his wife. Got it?
You deleted the photo for NO GOOD REASON. You could have simply characterized it as I did - she was holding Bush's hand and leaning forward so he could kiss her on the cheek which he was when the photo was snapped.
THIS IS VERY VALUABLE EVIDENCE that has been published on her site that helps bring clarity to whether her first of second version of what happened at that Bush meeting was accurate.
For you to exicse that because of PATHETIC, PALTRY, nitpicking reasons like the ones you stated suggests you are a walking POV masquerading as a concerned editor...
Big Daddy 04:38, 4 September 2005 (UTC)