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::::Getting involved in something I probably shouldn't but... Personally I'm convinced we should use British and UK when it comes to athletes that are primarily notable for their Olympic feats, and that goes for English-born competitors as well as Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. [[User:BritishWatcher]]'s suggested rules [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies#British Nationality|here]] aren't far off the money when it comes to athletes- [[User:Basement12|<font color="blue">Ba</font><font color="gold">se</font><font color="black">me</font><font color="green">nt</font><font color="red">12</font>]] [[User talk:Basement12|(T]].[[Special:Contributions/Basement12|C)]] 01:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC) |
::::Getting involved in something I probably shouldn't but... Personally I'm convinced we should use British and UK when it comes to athletes that are primarily notable for their Olympic feats, and that goes for English-born competitors as well as Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. [[User:BritishWatcher]]'s suggested rules [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies#British Nationality|here]] aren't far off the money when it comes to athletes- [[User:Basement12|<font color="blue">Ba</font><font color="gold">se</font><font color="black">me</font><font color="green">nt</font><font color="red">12</font>]] [[User talk:Basement12|(T]].[[Special:Contributions/Basement12|C)]] 01:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::I hadn't seen the editor in question to be honest. I had mainly seen ips being reverted and whilst I don't see the point in going on a crusade like it seems to be i see more of an issue with England being thought of as British uk than scotland. I would support just being Scotland in infobox as further down it does cover him representing the uk and Scotland but not overly overse eithier way. Just felt it should be discussed so we have a reason or consensus to revert. To be honest I see him as Scottish nationality but don't have a problem with him being labelled as a British athlete but thats another story. [[User:Blethering Scot|<font color="Maroon">Blethering</font>]] [[User talk:Blethering Scot|<font color="green">Scot</font>]] 12:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC) |
:::::I hadn't seen the editor in question to be honest. I had mainly seen ips being reverted and whilst I don't see the point in going on a crusade like it seems to be i see more of an issue with England being thought of as British uk than scotland. I would support just being Scotland in infobox as further down it does cover him representing the uk and Scotland but not overly overse eithier way. Just felt it should be discussed so we have a reason or consensus to revert. To be honest I see him as Scottish nationality but don't have a problem with him being labelled as a British athlete but thats another story. [[User:Blethering Scot|<font color="Maroon">Blethering</font>]] [[User talk:Blethering Scot|<font color="green">Scot</font>]] 12:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::CHRIS HOY DECLARES HIMSELF BRITISH. Wikipedia needs to stop appeasing separatist minorities. It's bastardising facts. Watch http://www.channel4.com/news/sir-chris-hoy-i-thought-nothing-could-top-beijing at 04:14 he declares himself as British, as well as saying his Scottish too. In addition, his the most decorated British Olympian to ever compete. To not have him as British on the Wikipedia page, prevents him from being viewed within context of British people. Do I have to mention how silly that is? [[User talk:Erzan|<font color="green">Erzan</font>]] 17:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC) |
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Anyone who follows Track cycling will know it is very much a British Team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank800 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Please do not delete GB from the infobox, Hoy represents both Scotland and Great Britain, many people argue to have one or the other, having both is the best compromise.Thaf (talk) 12:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- I notice that English athletes at the Olympic Games are noted as being British (cf Rebecca Adlington, for example) while Chris Hoy and the other Scottish athletes are noted as Scottish. Shouldn't there be some consistency about this? I prefer the compromise formula "Scottish and British" (in the case of Chris Hoy) as it covers all of the teams he is likely to compete for. Does anyone agree with me? As it is it looks like Scottish Nationalism tomfoolery. --Dalekmikey (talk) 07:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- There's no need to go insulting people. The current representation looks fine to me, now. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not insulting anyone, honest. My intention was to point out the inconsistency with which Scottish and English athletes are treated on Wikipedia in general, as exampled in this article. I apologise for any offence taken, but I suspect that those that would eliminate the word British from all articles about Scotland have a particular reason for doing so. Eliminating the word British from Scottish articles (and I am speaking more widely than this article here) does not seem to be a neutral point of view to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [--86.165.239.45 (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[Special:Contributions/86.165.239.45|86.165.239.45]] (talk) 18:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- And I didn't argue for deleting it, so there's not much point in addressing comments about such to me. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- This point is not just addressed to you, it is addressed to all that come this way and can read it - my view is that this article doesn't look fine in its current format.--86.165.239.45 (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- He stated very clearly in the homecoming press conference that he was proud to represent Scotland and Great Britain. Deiz talk 07:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
If Adlington has represented England in the Commonwealth Games, she should have English as well as British in the infobox, because then she would have represented both national entities in a major competition. Users 86.165.239.45 and Dalekmikey should assume good faith as to why Hoy has Scottish in his infobox. Hoy has won gold medals for Scotland in the Commonwealth Games as well as his successes for Great Britain in the Olympics and cycling-specific events. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
LOL
I wondered how long it would take for some of the wikidiots to desecrate this article. Hoy has stated many times he's a proud Scot AND Brit- this is a fact and is a view supported by many in our nation. As per usual I feel the unsilent minority has spoken again on a wikipedia article. It's so childish, what's wrong with being proud of being British Scottish or British Welsh et al? Grow up and edit the article with facts not opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.110.42 (talk) 11:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Article protected
The article has been temporarily protected against new and unregistered users, due to the amount of recent IP vandalism. Please remember that any allegations about living people must be supported by citations from reliable sources. Blocks can and will be issued against editors ignoring the Living persons bio rules. This restriction applies to talk pages, also. Thanks Kbthompson (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- It seems that Pjotr Morgen (talk) has switched to using various IP's to vandalise articles. They all originate from the University of Salzburg.Thaf (talk) 19:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- I warned him, he has now been blocked, it would appear to be for the use of socks. Pages affected can be semi-protected, and vandalising IPs blocked - seems a bit unfair on the other members of the University, though ... Kbthompson (talk) 23:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- Incidently, the matter was reported at the BIO-noticeboard, so there will be more eyes on these articles. cheers Kbthompson (talk) 00:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
They live in Chorley, Lancashire?
No he doesn't he lives in Salford, Greater Manchester. http://www.salfordadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/1063648_hoy_and_mighty
Its Jason Queally who lives in Chorley http://www.chorley-guardian.co.uk/sport/Jason-40Queally41-and-the-aeronauts.3724299.jp—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.44.37 (talk) 22:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Kellogg's Bran Flakes
I wonder if he really does eat them for breakfast every day - they are 22% sugar. I'm sceptical. Edwardx (talk) 19:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- (Old comment, I know) YES, they are disgustingly sugary. But hey, it's just an advertisement...--Τασουλα (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom
Ive noticed United Kingdom being removed several times and reverted, i actually agree with the removal he was born in the country of Scotland. Yes Scotland is part of the United Kingdom but stating that in the infobox seems rather unnecessary. Just wondering if there is any precedent or reason why this would be the case, i thought maybe because he represents team GB but thats covered in the article and other Scottish athletes Andy Murray, Katherine Grainger and other don't. Blethering Scot 22:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- I reverted it once because it was removed by an IP that was editng in bad faith. As you are acting in good faith I will say this: Scotland speaks for itself. There really is no reason to have "UK" or "United Kingdom" in the infobox. When it comes to ENGLAND it's a lot more useful... So many think England and Britain/UK are the same thing...*groan*.--Τασουλα (talk) 23:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- The editor in question has been going around making a number of contradictory and bias edits on these sorts of things. adding United Kingdom for someone from England whilst removing it for someone from Scotland and within 4 minutes on 31 July changingEnglish to British and British to Scottish. In my opinion it is reasonable to simply say ***, Scotland. But i do not support such edits which are part of a blatant crusade, especially when at the same time we are prevented from stating he is a British cyclist in the opening sentence too despite that clearly being what he is most notable for. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- I can assure you that I will be taking that user you mentioned BW to ANI if they make another POV-pushing PointY edit (As I have done to others in the past)... Unless someone beats me too it.--Τασουλα (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- I have been discussing this matter over at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#British_Nationality because a few days ago i came across an IP doing exactly the same thing as i have seen this user doing as well now. The trouble is at present there are no clear guidelines on how to handle British nationals, and that creates this void that sees countles changes backwards and forwards all the time. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- Getting involved in something I probably shouldn't but... Personally I'm convinced we should use British and UK when it comes to athletes that are primarily notable for their Olympic feats, and that goes for English-born competitors as well as Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. User:BritishWatcher's suggested rules here aren't far off the money when it comes to athletes- Basement12 (T.C) 01:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen the editor in question to be honest. I had mainly seen ips being reverted and whilst I don't see the point in going on a crusade like it seems to be i see more of an issue with England being thought of as British uk than scotland. I would support just being Scotland in infobox as further down it does cover him representing the uk and Scotland but not overly overse eithier way. Just felt it should be discussed so we have a reason or consensus to revert. To be honest I see him as Scottish nationality but don't have a problem with him being labelled as a British athlete but thats another story. Blethering Scot 12:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- CHRIS HOY DECLARES HIMSELF BRITISH. Wikipedia needs to stop appeasing separatist minorities. It's bastardising facts. Watch http://www.channel4.com/news/sir-chris-hoy-i-thought-nothing-could-top-beijing at 04:14 he declares himself as British, as well as saying his Scottish too. In addition, his the most decorated British Olympian to ever compete. To not have him as British on the Wikipedia page, prevents him from being viewed within context of British people. Do I have to mention how silly that is? Erzan 17:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen the editor in question to be honest. I had mainly seen ips being reverted and whilst I don't see the point in going on a crusade like it seems to be i see more of an issue with England being thought of as British uk than scotland. I would support just being Scotland in infobox as further down it does cover him representing the uk and Scotland but not overly overse eithier way. Just felt it should be discussed so we have a reason or consensus to revert. To be honest I see him as Scottish nationality but don't have a problem with him being labelled as a British athlete but thats another story. Blethering Scot 12:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Getting involved in something I probably shouldn't but... Personally I'm convinced we should use British and UK when it comes to athletes that are primarily notable for their Olympic feats, and that goes for English-born competitors as well as Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. User:BritishWatcher's suggested rules here aren't far off the money when it comes to athletes- Basement12 (T.C) 01:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- I have been discussing this matter over at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#British_Nationality because a few days ago i came across an IP doing exactly the same thing as i have seen this user doing as well now. The trouble is at present there are no clear guidelines on how to handle British nationals, and that creates this void that sees countles changes backwards and forwards all the time. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- I can assure you that I will be taking that user you mentioned BW to ANI if they make another POV-pushing PointY edit (As I have done to others in the past)... Unless someone beats me too it.--Τασουλα (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)