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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2021 == |
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Result Pakistan victory [[User:Abdul alim mia|Abdul alim mia]] ([[User talk:Abdul alim mia|talk]]) 11:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
Result Pakistan victory [[User:Abdul alim mia|Abdul alim mia]] ([[User talk:Abdul alim mia|talk]]) 11:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:Please provide reliable sources for the change you'd like to make. Thanks. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 12:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
:Please provide reliable sources for the change you'd like to make. Thanks. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 12:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
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*That short, poorly attended discussion doesn't overturn a community RFC.—[[User:S Marshall|<b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b>]] <small>[[User talk:S Marshall|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/S Marshall|C]]</small> 00:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC) |
*That short, poorly attended discussion doesn't overturn a community RFC.—[[User:S Marshall|<b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S Marshall</b>]] <small>[[User talk:S Marshall|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/S Marshall|C]]</small> 00:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC) |
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{{done}}, and thank you all very much''!'' '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r there</sup>]] <small>19:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)</small>'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r there</sup>]] <small>19:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2021
Result Pakistan victory Abdul alim mia (talk) 11:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- Please provide reliable sources for the change you'd like to make. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- This RfC should answer that.—S Marshall T/C 12:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not done. The sources cited, which are of good quality, seem clear that the result was inconclusive. Unless some other sources of equal quality come along, no revision is warranted. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Don't be silly. The Battle of Chawinda was the final engagement in the Second Kashmir War. The sources rightly say that the Second Kashmir War was inconclusive -- but the Battle of Chawinda wasn't inconclusive. As demonstrated in the RfC that I personally closed six years ago, the sources say that the Battle of Chawinda was a Pakistani victory. The RfC outcome was challenged and confirmed here. Please allow it to be implemented.—S Marshall T/C 22:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not possible until this more recent consensus has been overturned. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 17:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Don't be silly. The Battle of Chawinda was the final engagement in the Second Kashmir War. The sources rightly say that the Second Kashmir War was inconclusive -- but the Battle of Chawinda wasn't inconclusive. As demonstrated in the RfC that I personally closed six years ago, the sources say that the Battle of Chawinda was a Pakistani victory. The RfC outcome was challenged and confirmed here. Please allow it to be implemented.—S Marshall T/C 22:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not done. The sources cited, which are of good quality, seem clear that the result was inconclusive. Unless some other sources of equal quality come along, no revision is warranted. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- This RfC should answer that.—S Marshall T/C 12:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Aman.kumar.goel. I didn't know that there was discussion before the result field was changed. The current sources are certainly much better than the old ones, they are newer and broader, and therefore more neutral. In response to S Marshall, these sources are indeed saying that the result of Battle of Chawinda was a draw, not that the overall war was a draw.
Honestly, I don't know how scholars decide the wins or losses. Pakistan retained Chawinda. In that sense, it had won. But is that all there is to it? Indians certainly knew that whatever territory they won, they would eventually have to give back. And Chawinda is not such an important piece of territory that it would make a difference for anything. But the Indians got Pakistan (a) to agree to an unconditional ceasefire, and (b) to agree to a truce without any concessions on Kashmir. In that sense, it seems to me that India achieved whatever it was trying to achieve in Chawinda. Knowledgeable scholars would understand the big picture. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- That short, poorly attended discussion doesn't overturn a community RFC.—S Marshall T/C 00:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Done, and thank you all very much! P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 19:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 19:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)