re |
ASALA7.08.1982 (talk | contribs) No edit summary |
||
Line 29: | Line 29: | ||
::::::::::::::This has nothing to do with alleged transliteration issues. I'll repeat, in bold this time, '''Wikipedia's naming conventions tells us that when a widely accepted English name exists for a place, we should use it and there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent.''' [[User:Scribblescribblescribble|Scribblescribblescribble]] ([[User talk:Scribblescribblescribble|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
::::::::::::::This has nothing to do with alleged transliteration issues. I'll repeat, in bold this time, '''Wikipedia's naming conventions tells us that when a widely accepted English name exists for a place, we should use it and there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent.''' [[User:Scribblescribblescribble|Scribblescribblescribble]] ([[User talk:Scribblescribblescribble|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
||
:Who says then exist?! For God's sakes, read and analize what you intend to write first. The source you provided is based on transliteration from Russian. The word Armenikend was not just invented out of nowhere. It was transliterated from Russian. Russians call it Armenikent, when the original word is Ermenikend deriving from the Azerbaijani word. Do you comprehend? [[User:Tuscumbia|<font color="#0000FF"><strong>Tuscumbia</strong></font>]] ([[User talk:Tuscumbia|<font color="#DC143C">''talk''</font>]]) 23:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
:Who says then exist?! For God's sakes, read and analize what you intend to write first. The source you provided is based on transliteration from Russian. The word Armenikend was not just invented out of nowhere. It was transliterated from Russian. Russians call it Armenikent, when the original word is Ermenikend deriving from the Azerbaijani word. Do you comprehend? [[User:Tuscumbia|<font color="#0000FF"><strong>Tuscumbia</strong></font>]] ([[User talk:Tuscumbia|<font color="#DC143C">''talk''</font>]]) 23:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
||
::::::::::::::::Well, I don't think eyewitness of events in Baku, are nationalists. But facts showing that this people on the contrary received the mass beatings to death exactly by nationalists, mostly form nearest Azerbaijani districts. Sumgait.info, as you see, is not a single reference to the stuff. It will be some other links though. Armenikend is a single acceptable name for this article first of all because vast majority of townsfolk of Baku before 1990 called this district exactly as ARMENIKEND. I've noticed also some users tryed to impose opinion as if Czarist Russia has Azerbaijan or Azerbaijani people in south Caucase. It is nonsence. Before 1918 this was people known to the world as '''CAUCASIAN TATARS'''. Later they adopted name of province in north Iran as own style of naming oneself. Connoisseur of Truth 23:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC) |
Revision as of 23:08, 17 January 2011
22:02 7 January 2011 version is really written in "mediocre" English but this is not enough to remove it to show incorrect information and misinform people. There is no chauvinistic content in it. Reasons to remove version 18:29 7 January 2011 are folow: 1) --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia--- this information is incorrect. Czarist Russia has Caucasian Tatars in South Caucasus, but name Azerbaijan was called in 1918 independence (after collapse of Czarist Russia). 2) After the violent seven-day Pogrom of Armenians in Baku--- Armenian community of Azerbaijan fled the country --- this information is incorrect too. It can insult many Armenian people lived in Baku in past, because almost all Armenians remained in Baku in 13 January of 1990 died of massacre, they couldn't fled the country. ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
This article consists of facts only, and everything can be easyly proved.
- As mentioned in the revert summary, this is not an Armenian forum website. The article is about a region of Baku which was unofficially called Armenikend. Moreover, it was never part of the Old City. Tuscumbia (talk) 19:49, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
That's right, Baku_Old_City binding to the image is removed. But any groundless revert of the right version will automatically add new Links and new facts to this "POV". ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
ATTENTION: words --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia --- is a deliberate misinformation it need to be removed. ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I disappointed with the policy of reverting veracious editions on WIKIPEDIA and helping to some users who neglicting historical facts.
[Following edition] is remaining as a single true version of this article which is spoiled with help of the people who threating with blocking those users who telles no lie.
Current version giving wrong picture on this issue. Its [true edition] was forcibly [falsified] and definitely so will be in future. ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
- The History section relies solely on Armenian-tied Sumgait.info website and presently uses POV language. Needs some cleanup. Twilightchill t 13:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- The added text seems to have been fueled by personal vendetta. Looks like, when emotional, the editor ASALA makes the text bold where he wants to highlight specific lines and links other lines to nationalistic websites. Last I heard, this was an encyclopedia, not a nationalist forum. Reverting. Tuscumbia (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Repeated undiscussed name moves for articles is against Wikipedia rules. After your first name-change was reverted, any subsequent changes to this article are automatically considered to be potentually controversial, so there is a requirement that they must be proposed and discussed. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 19:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- There seem to be four main varients to the name: Armenikent, Ermenikent, Armenikend, Ermenikend. In a Google search (with -Wikipedia) and excluding sited Google says are duplipcates, "Armenikent" gets 11 hits, one in English, "Ermenikent" gets 5 hits, one in English, "Armenikend" gets 62 hits (but a number are from a message board user named Armenikend) with at least 5 articles in English and a fair number of photos of the actual district and that are called Armenikend, "Ermenikend" gets 20 hits, of which 2 are articles in English. Based on that, Armenikend seems to be the most suitable name. For example, here is a completely neutral and specialist source on Soviet architecture that uses "Armenikend" http://www.metropolismag.com/story/20070620/radical-moment Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- The word Armenikend derives from Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd which they called the quarter of Baku where many Armenians lived. If you search Ermənikənd you will get 559 hits. It's not like an official name of the settlement. It's what the locals called it due to big number of Armenians living at a specific region of Baku. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Several problems with your analysis. Firslty, this is the English-language Wikipedia, not the Azeri Wikipedia. So the article will never be called Ermənikənd. If a common usage exists in English-language sources then that name should be used, I have given an example of such a source, and Armenikend has the most English-language sources. Secondly, the alphabet you use to spell "Ermənikənd" did not even exist when the district was inhabited by the Armenians that gave it its name. As you yourself say, the district no longer exists as such, so there has never been a district named "Ermənikənd". Thirdly, in Baku in the Soviet period it was the Russian language and alphabet that had the most importance amongst its inhabitants: that will be the source of the "Armenikend" varient of the name. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- BTW, am I right in saying that the formal name of the district was the "17th district of Baku"? (I came across that name in one of the sources I found in my Google search, but I have now lost the source.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribblescribblescribble (talk • contribs) 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Meowy, where do you see me requesting a change of name to Ermənikənd. I said the current transliteration Ermenikend derives from the Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd. The alphabet did exist even before that, the Cyrillic was forced onto Azerbaijan during the subsequent period. But the alphabet has nothing to do with what the arear was unofficially called among the locals. It was called in Azerbaijani and the Azerbaijani alphabet transliterates the name as Ermenikend. And no, Armenians never gave it the name Armenkend. If it were up to them, they would have called it "Armeniberd" or something. Ermenikend (Armenian village, village populated by Armenians, etc) is the name given by the Azerbaijani locals. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I don't know about "17th district". You'd have to ask someone who lives in Baku. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you cannot be civil, I will not discuss things with you. Your sock-puppet insinuation is both uncivil and off-topic. There seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Unless you can disprove that, then that is it, end of discussion. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- We both know who Meowy is :) Anyway, I told you already, the name derives from the Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd, originating from Azerbaijanis unofficially calling the part of the city on the basis of ethnic minority. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's naming conventions has told you that when a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it [1]. And (as I've told you already) there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Where do you see me disputing an English name should be used? Ermenikend is the English transliteration and name of what was originally called by the locals. Armenikend derives from what Armenians choose to call it. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- This has nothing to do with alleged transliteration issues. I'll repeat, in bold this time, Wikipedia's naming conventions tells us that when a widely accepted English name exists for a place, we should use it and there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Where do you see me disputing an English name should be used? Ermenikend is the English transliteration and name of what was originally called by the locals. Armenikend derives from what Armenians choose to call it. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's naming conventions has told you that when a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it [1]. And (as I've told you already) there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- We both know who Meowy is :) Anyway, I told you already, the name derives from the Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd, originating from Azerbaijanis unofficially calling the part of the city on the basis of ethnic minority. Tuscumbia (talk) 21:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you cannot be civil, I will not discuss things with you. Your sock-puppet insinuation is both uncivil and off-topic. There seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Unless you can disprove that, then that is it, end of discussion. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I don't know about "17th district". You'd have to ask someone who lives in Baku. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Meowy, where do you see me requesting a change of name to Ermənikənd. I said the current transliteration Ermenikend derives from the Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd. The alphabet did exist even before that, the Cyrillic was forced onto Azerbaijan during the subsequent period. But the alphabet has nothing to do with what the arear was unofficially called among the locals. It was called in Azerbaijani and the Azerbaijani alphabet transliterates the name as Ermenikend. And no, Armenians never gave it the name Armenkend. If it were up to them, they would have called it "Armeniberd" or something. Ermenikend (Armenian village, village populated by Armenians, etc) is the name given by the Azerbaijani locals. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- BTW, am I right in saying that the formal name of the district was the "17th district of Baku"? (I came across that name in one of the sources I found in my Google search, but I have now lost the source.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribblescribblescribble (talk • contribs) 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- There seem to be four main varients to the name: Armenikent, Ermenikent, Armenikend, Ermenikend. In a Google search (with -Wikipedia) and excluding sited Google says are duplipcates, "Armenikent" gets 11 hits, one in English, "Ermenikent" gets 5 hits, one in English, "Armenikend" gets 62 hits (but a number are from a message board user named Armenikend) with at least 5 articles in English and a fair number of photos of the actual district and that are called Armenikend, "Ermenikend" gets 20 hits, of which 2 are articles in English. Based on that, Armenikend seems to be the most suitable name. For example, here is a completely neutral and specialist source on Soviet architecture that uses "Armenikend" http://www.metropolismag.com/story/20070620/radical-moment Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Repeated undiscussed name moves for articles is against Wikipedia rules. After your first name-change was reverted, any subsequent changes to this article are automatically considered to be potentually controversial, so there is a requirement that they must be proposed and discussed. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 19:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- The added text seems to have been fueled by personal vendetta. Looks like, when emotional, the editor ASALA makes the text bold where he wants to highlight specific lines and links other lines to nationalistic websites. Last I heard, this was an encyclopedia, not a nationalist forum. Reverting. Tuscumbia (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Who says then exist?! For God's sakes, read and analize what you intend to write first. The source you provided is based on transliteration from Russian. The word Armenikend was not just invented out of nowhere. It was transliterated from Russian. Russians call it Armenikent, when the original word is Ermenikend deriving from the Azerbaijani word. Do you comprehend? Tuscumbia (talk) 23:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think eyewitness of events in Baku, are nationalists. But facts showing that this people on the contrary received the mass beatings to death exactly by nationalists, mostly form nearest Azerbaijani districts. Sumgait.info, as you see, is not a single reference to the stuff. It will be some other links though. Armenikend is a single acceptable name for this article first of all because vast majority of townsfolk of Baku before 1990 called this district exactly as ARMENIKEND. I've noticed also some users tryed to impose opinion as if Czarist Russia has Azerbaijan or Azerbaijani people in south Caucase. It is nonsence. Before 1918 this was people known to the world as CAUCASIAN TATARS. Later they adopted name of province in north Iran as own style of naming oneself. Connoisseur of Truth 23:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)