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::::Being viewed as a war criminal by Palestinians is definitely a prominent controversy. The fact that Human Rights Watch agreed with the war criminal term and lamented that he was never held accountable is also most certainly another prominent controversy. You also removed mention of the illegality of the settlements whose construction he championed.
:::[[User:Makeandtoss|Makeandtoss]] ([[User talk:Makeandtoss|talk]]) 13:16, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Makeandtoss}} Not everything has to be mentioned in lead and specially not in the way your want to portray it. Moreover, your continuous POV pushing in this and other articles, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Defamation_League&action=history petty edit-warring], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordan&diff=1173280793&oldid=1173280372 backtracking] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2023_Israeli_judicial_reform_protests&diff=prev&oldid=1173274958 stupid comments like this] are clear examples of [[WP:NOTHERE]]. You are clearly not here to contribute but to do activism. [[User:Dovidroth|Dovidroth]] ([[User talk:Dovidroth|talk]]) 15:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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Edit request: "thwarting" orders at the crossing of the Suez Canal
I am reading the authoritative book "The Yom Kippur War: The Epic Encounter That Transformed the Middle East" by Abraham Rabinovich. It describes in detail the decision taken by the Israeli High Command, in consultation with PM Meir, to order Sharon's tank division across the Suez Canal in 1973. Even though there was some friction between Sharon and Bar-Lev, it is completely wrong to say that the move "thwarted the commands of his superiors". Yes, the crossing was performed by Sharon's unit, and he acted well and boldly, but it is not like he did it out of his own initiative and against orders! Furthermore, the Haaretz article cited nowhere said such a thing. Please remove the reference to thwarting his superiors, and leave the part that says the operation decided the war for Israel, which seems to be supported by the sources.
- I didn't make the request, but I agree with the sentence about Ha'aretz. The article says that he drew up plans different from what he'd been assigned, and it says that he carried out those plans, but it doesn't say that he did it on his own initiative. It's WP:SYNTH to say that, especially since an alternate explanation (that he or someone else persuaded his superiors that his plan was better) is quite possible. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 20:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
First sentence
I know it's normal to put alternate names before birth/death dates, but given the length of the alternate-names element, could his dates come first?
Ariel Sharon (26 February 1928 – 11 January 2014; Hebrew: אֲרִיאֵל שָׁרוֹן; IPA: [aʁiˈ(ʔ)el ʃaˈʁon] (audio speaker iconlisten); Ariʼēl Sharōn; also known by his diminutive Arik, אָרִיק, born Ariel Scheinermann, אֲרִיאֵל שַׁיינֶרְמָן)
49.198.51.54 (talk) 20:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 June 2022
Please change the interim replacement who was Ehud Olmert and NOT Ehud Barak “Sharon served as prime minister (Israel's head of government) from 7 March 2001 through 14 April 2006 (with Ehud Barak serving as acting prime minister beginning 4 January 2006, after Sharon slipped into a coma)” Should be replaced by the following: “Sharon served as prime minister (Israel's head of government) from 7 March 2001 through 14 April 2006 (with Ehud Olmert serving as acting prime minister beginning 4 January 2006, after Sharon slipped into a coma)”
Source: https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000082788 79.176.136.158 (talk) 08:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- These changes were done. Elliswiki7 (talk) 20:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Edit request
Hubes -> Hubis EduardoFernandez (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant to request a change from "Habes was adamant" to "Habis was adamant". EduardoFernandez (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Changed to Majali. nableezy - 19:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2023
Should we add native name parameter {{Nobold|{{Script/Hebrew|אֲרִיאֵל שָׁרוֹן}}}}
to the infobox? 2001:4451:824F:B700:351F:F869:156A:4BFD (talk) 01:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Balance
@Dovidroth: First of all if you have a problem with a specific edit, you can revert it and give a reason. But reverting all of my far-ranging edits without distinction is not constructive, especially when no valid counterargument is given. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: Continued removal of sourced material while simultaneously refusing to engage in the talk page is cannot be considered constructive editing. Lede is a summary of body including most prominent controversies. Removing view of Palestinians towards him and view of Human Rights Watch is making this article biased. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:12, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Continued removal? I've never even edited this page before. Also, I didn't remove their opinions. If you bothered to check my edit comment, I stated that I removed the content because it was listed twice nearly identically with the same adjectives in both the lede and the legacy section. If you have a better way you want to synthesize the "information" without repeating yourself, you are more than free to do so. I never once said that I agree or disagree with the information in the article, I'm not "removing views" of anyone. EytanMelech (talk) 12:35, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, continued removal of fully sourced content by multiple editors, while ignoring the talk page discussion.
- MOS:LEDE: "It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies".
- Being viewed as a war criminal by Palestinians is definitely a prominent controversy. The fact that Human Rights Watch agreed with the war criminal term and lamented that he was never held accountable is also most certainly another prominent controversy. You also removed mention of the illegality of the settlements whose construction he championed.
- Makeandtoss (talk) 13:16, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss: Not everything has to be mentioned in lead and specially not in the way your want to portray it. Moreover, your continuous POV pushing in this and other articles, petty edit-warring, backtracking and stupid comments like this are clear examples of WP:NOTHERE. You are clearly not here to contribute but to do activism. Dovidroth (talk) 15:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Continued removal? I've never even edited this page before. Also, I didn't remove their opinions. If you bothered to check my edit comment, I stated that I removed the content because it was listed twice nearly identically with the same adjectives in both the lede and the legacy section. If you have a better way you want to synthesize the "information" without repeating yourself, you are more than free to do so. I never once said that I agree or disagree with the information in the article, I'm not "removing views" of anyone. EytanMelech (talk) 12:35, 3 September 2023 (UTC)