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:I will reiterate V93's comment:{{talkquote|I'm not attached to the section, but honestly the material therein is among the better material in the article; the rest is such garbage. Agreed entirely, TB; more generally, prejudice against hindus (which I would prefer as a section title; "sentiment" is weird in this circumstance) is real, and for that very reason, needs to be precisely delineated, and separated from people crying wolf over it.}} [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 17:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC) |
:I will reiterate V93's comment:{{talkquote|I'm not attached to the section, but honestly the material therein is among the better material in the article; the rest is such garbage. Agreed entirely, TB; more generally, prejudice against hindus (which I would prefer as a section title; "sentiment" is weird in this circumstance) is real, and for that very reason, needs to be precisely delineated, and separated from people crying wolf over it.}} [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 17:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:: Since the section heading has been changed, it would be helpful to insert the word being discussed (Hinduphobia) in the first sentence of the paragraph, in place of the [which] tag currently present. {{tq|Scholar Jeffery D. Long defines the term Hinduphobia as an irrational aversion of Hindus or Hinduism.}} [[Special:Contributions/117.194.200.183|117.194.200.183]] ([[User talk:117.194.200.183|talk]]) 20:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC) |
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El C, I edit Wikipedia occassionally. Please let me know what is wrong with the first paragraph you removed by this edit. The source used does say that.
Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2021
Please change X (no info) to "Several thousand supporters of Hefazat-e-Islam’s leader Mamunul Haque in Bangladesh attacked a Hindu village in March 2021, which resulted in the ransacking and looting of many houses and the vandalization of 70-80 houses."[1]
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- ^ "Extremist Islamist group's supporters attack 70-80 Hindu houses in Bangladesh: Police". India Today. 20 March 2021.
Hinduphobia as section title
This section title makes no sense; we've previously established that this isn't uniformly used as the term for anti-Hindu prejudice; as such, the term needs to be discussed in the definitions section, not used as the title. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. Also, the article needs to be clear on two aspects: (1) Anti-Hindu sentiment exists esp. in Pakistan etc. and (2) these grievances have been hijacked by Hindu Right to claim of a Hinduphobic America, Western Academy etc., which scholars reject. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not attached to the section, but honestly the material therein is among the better material in the article; the rest is such garbage. Agreed entirely, TB; more generally, prejudice against hindus (which I would prefer as a section title; "sentiment" is weird in this circumstance) is real, and for that very reason, needs to be precisely delineated, and separated from people crying wolf over it. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- The term Hinduphobia was coined in 1866 and it is used throughout literature for 155 years. This stands apart from anything SASAC refer to as 'Hindutva' and there is a long history of the term used by western authors who have nothing to do with any Hindu political movement. Scholars use the term frequently in peer reviewed research and it appears in significant historic documents such as the Indian Parliament Hansards. To remove it because SASAC doesn't like it would be prejudiced and anti-intellectual.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 03:18, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Scholars use the term [Hinduphobia] frequently in peer reviewed research
- Quotes, please. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)- Also, nobody has removed the term; we're discussing its use as a section title. Your arguments are entirely off the mark. Vanamonde (Talk)
- Well you sure have been busy haven't you 'not removing the term hinduphobia'. Especially TrangaBellam.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 11:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Here is the google scholar search result for Hinduphobia [1]. Why is none of this being referenced in this entry and where is the definition section now? I would write some content but there is no point given TrangaBellam is obviously possessive of this page and wants it to remain the impoverished cousin of every other form of anti-X-sentiment.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 12:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- You need to list specific sources; not wave at a search result. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @TrangaBellam This is one of the largest one. It enlists a detailed "Glossary" of anti-hindu words. It also has multiple anti-Hindu entities called out on its platform and it terms this sentiment as Hinduphobia. >>> Extorc.talk(); 08:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- According to you, [an] organisation [which] has its roots in [ ] Hindu nationalist organisations [and] [ ] has repackaged the Hindu nationalist agenda in the language of "Hindu rights" to suit mainstream American politics is a reliable source for describing Hinduphobia and documenting anti-Hindu entities? TrangaBellam (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- You left out the part where this was stated by its critics. While there may be an issue with the origins and motivations of the organisation, we cannot discredit it on the basis of what its detractors have said.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 16:53, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- According to you, [an] organisation [which] has its roots in [ ] Hindu nationalist organisations [and] [ ] has repackaged the Hindu nationalist agenda in the language of "Hindu rights" to suit mainstream American politics is a reliable source for describing Hinduphobia and documenting anti-Hindu entities? TrangaBellam (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- @TrangaBellam This is one of the largest one. It enlists a detailed "Glossary" of anti-hindu words. It also has multiple anti-Hindu entities called out on its platform and it terms this sentiment as Hinduphobia. >>> Extorc.talk(); 08:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- You need to list specific sources; not wave at a search result. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Here is the google scholar search result for Hinduphobia [1]. Why is none of this being referenced in this entry and where is the definition section now? I would write some content but there is no point given TrangaBellam is obviously possessive of this page and wants it to remain the impoverished cousin of every other form of anti-X-sentiment.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 12:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well you sure have been busy haven't you 'not removing the term hinduphobia'. Especially TrangaBellam.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 11:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- The term Hinduphobia was coined in 1866 and it is used throughout literature for 155 years. This stands apart from anything SASAC refer to as 'Hindutva' and there is a long history of the term used by western authors who have nothing to do with any Hindu political movement. Scholars use the term frequently in peer reviewed research and it appears in significant historic documents such as the Indian Parliament Hansards. To remove it because SASAC doesn't like it would be prejudiced and anti-intellectual.Jnanashuddhi (talk) 03:18, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm baffled as to why we're still discussing this. My point is very simple; if "Hinduphobia" is the primary term used for prejudice against Hindus, it should be the article title; if it's not, it should be discussed, along with other terms, in a section called "definitions" or "terminology". Having "Hinduphobia" as a section title in an article about prejudice against Hindus makes as much sense as a section titled "India" in an article about India (see how stupid that sounds?). Vanamonde (Talk) 16:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2022
Please remove the word, "Hinduphobia" from the lead. Hinduphobia means fear of Hindus but anti-Hindu sentiment means sentiments against Hindus and Hinduism which is not the same. 2405:204:5682:8044:0:0:11B7:30B0 (talk) 11:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. This seems to be a common usage of the term, and is similar to homophobia, transphobia, and other non-fear uses of the -phobia suffix. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)- Hinduphobia can be replaced with Hindu detestation.
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template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)- TrangaBellam, Kautilya3, Jnanashuddhi, Extorc, WikiLinuz, CapnJackSp, you people may want to discuss and replace Hinduphobia with Hindu detestation in the lead (the first sentence) as the previous IP is asking.-202.140.62.212 (talk) 14:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is written by summarising reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- TrangaBellam, Kautilya3, Jnanashuddhi, Extorc, WikiLinuz, CapnJackSp, then you people must delete the term Hinduphobia from the lead as it is unsourced and unrelated to, "anti-Hindu sentiment (phobia means fear)".-202.140.62.212 (talk) 10:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- You can't define a word yourself, and taking it apart doesn't work. Antisemitism does not mean being against semites, eg Arabs, it is specifically about Jews. The word Hinduphobia means fear or hatred or both. Doug Weller talk 13:07, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Stop pinging me. --WikiLinuz {talk} 🍁 15:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please avoid blanket pings :). The current argument of literal translation seems inappropriate, feel free to leave better arguments if you find any. Cheers. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 09:19, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- TrangaBellam, Kautilya3, Jnanashuddhi, Extorc, WikiLinuz, CapnJackSp, then you people must delete the term Hinduphobia from the lead as it is unsourced and unrelated to, "anti-Hindu sentiment (phobia means fear)".-202.140.62.212 (talk) 10:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is written by summarising reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- TrangaBellam, Kautilya3, Jnanashuddhi, Extorc, WikiLinuz, CapnJackSp, you people may want to discuss and replace Hinduphobia with Hindu detestation in the lead (the first sentence) as the previous IP is asking.-202.140.62.212 (talk) 14:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Controversy Section Deleted
Why was the controversy section deleted? I saw that there were discussions about it, but I didn't see anything specifically about people agreeing to delete it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Hindu_sentiment&oldid=1072879834#Controversy Sawerchessread (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I still would like to add this back in. Though anti-hindu sentiment is undeniable, the term Hinduphobia is actively debated in South Asian political academia as appropriate or a catch-all to group criticism of hindutva ideology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawerchessread (talk • contribs) 19:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Definitions section
TrangaBellam, it seems (I haven't checked) that the "Definitions" section came from merging a page on Hinduphobia into this one, and it hasn't been revised for this page. The section makes no sense as it stands.
Even otherwise, nobody has said that "anti-Hindu sentiment" equates to "Hinduphobia". I don't mind a section on the latter being present here, but the main content itself should be regarding the former. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:51, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- I will reiterate V93's comment:
TrangaBellam (talk) 17:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)I'm not attached to the section, but honestly the material therein is among the better material in the article; the rest is such garbage. Agreed entirely, TB; more generally, prejudice against hindus (which I would prefer as a section title; "sentiment" is weird in this circumstance) is real, and for that very reason, needs to be precisely delineated, and separated from people crying wolf over it.
- Since the section heading has been changed, it would be helpful to insert the word being discussed (Hinduphobia) in the first sentence of the paragraph, in place of the [which] tag currently present.
Scholar Jeffery D. Long defines the term Hinduphobia as an irrational aversion of Hindus or Hinduism.
117.194.200.183 (talk) 20:13, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Since the section heading has been changed, it would be helpful to insert the word being discussed (Hinduphobia) in the first sentence of the paragraph, in place of the [which] tag currently present.