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Dispute was listed as "contradicted by http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/10/09/iran-saudi-arabia-sudan-end-juvenile-death-penalty re ''bulugh'' and ''hodud''" The above article applies the [[Convention on the Rights of the Child]] definition of a minor, not the country's own definition. In addition it discusses it in relation to the [[Age of criminal responsibility]] which is not the same as the age of majority. Added citation for ages, which are based in Shari’a. [[User:JMJimmy|JMJimmy]] ([[User talk:JMJimmy|talk]]) 16:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC) |
Dispute was listed as "contradicted by http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/10/09/iran-saudi-arabia-sudan-end-juvenile-death-penalty re ''bulugh'' and ''hodud''" The above article applies the [[Convention on the Rights of the Child]] definition of a minor, not the country's own definition. In addition it discusses it in relation to the [[Age of criminal responsibility]] which is not the same as the age of majority. Added citation for ages, which are based in Shari’a. [[User:JMJimmy|JMJimmy]] ([[User talk:JMJimmy|talk]]) 16:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC) |
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== Alternate Title Dispute == |
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:{{User|JMJimmy}}, the reason [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_of_majority&diff=615841844&oldid=615840395 I reverted] your addition of "age of maturity" as an alternative title for "age of majority" is per the [[WP:Alternative title]] policy (like I told you when reverting you). "[[Age of maturity]]" currently redirects to the [[Coming of age]] article (if you want to change that, you should take that matter to [[WP:Redirects for discussion]], not simply redirect it yourself, since changing it to redirect to the Age of majority article would obviously be a contested matter). And I am not aware of "age of majority" and "age of maturity" commonly meaning the same thing; yes, [http://www.iranhrdc.org/english/publications/legal-commentary/1000000054-criminal-responsibility-of-children-in-the-islamic-republic-of-irans-new-penal-code.html#.U7mHmPldUa4 this source], which says "age of maturity," is used for "Iran (females)," age 8, and "Iran (males)," age 14, in the article (partly because of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_of_majority&diff=615839529&oldid=615834343 your edit]), but it gives conflicting information. And even if "age of maturity," in the way that you used it, means the same as "age of majority," it's [[WP:Undue weight]] to give that title placement in the lead...considering that it's referring to one country. And regarding what that source states about [[Sharia]], do look at what [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGBT_rights_in_Iran&diff=615021757&oldid=615021465 this IP] stated at the [[LGBT rights in Iran]] article, "'Islamic Sharia Law applied' doesn't explain anything, laws are addopted by parliament and hudud is based on Jafari sharia." |
:{{User|JMJimmy}}, the reason [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_of_majority&diff=615841844&oldid=615840395 I reverted] your addition of "age of maturity" as an alternative title for "age of majority" is per the [[WP:Alternative title]] policy (like I told you when reverting you). "[[Age of maturity]]" currently redirects to the [[Coming of age]] article (if you want to change that, you should take that matter to [[WP:Redirects for discussion]], not simply redirect it yourself, since changing it to redirect to the Age of majority article would obviously be a contested matter). And I am not aware of "age of majority" and "age of maturity" commonly meaning the same thing; yes, [http://www.iranhrdc.org/english/publications/legal-commentary/1000000054-criminal-responsibility-of-children-in-the-islamic-republic-of-irans-new-penal-code.html#.U7mHmPldUa4 this source], which says "age of maturity," is used for "Iran (females)," age 8, and "Iran (males)," age 14, in the article (partly because of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_of_majority&diff=615839529&oldid=615834343 your edit]), but it gives conflicting information. And even if "age of maturity," in the way that you used it, means the same as "age of majority," it's [[WP:Undue weight]] to give that title placement in the lead...considering that it's referring to one country. And regarding what that source states about [[Sharia]], do look at what [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGBT_rights_in_Iran&diff=615021757&oldid=615021465 this IP] stated at the [[LGBT rights in Iran]] article, "'Islamic Sharia Law applied' doesn't explain anything, laws are addopted by parliament and hudud is based on Jafari sharia." |
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:[[User:NeilN|NeilN]], have you heard of "age of majority" and "age of maturity" commonly meaning the same thing? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 17:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC) |
:[[User:NeilN|NeilN]], have you heard of "age of majority" and "age of maturity" commonly meaning the same thing? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 17:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC) |
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::{{User|Flyer22}} The two terms do hold the same meaning depending on the law and/or region. Historically, Roman law used the age of maturity as described by Paul - Gal 4:1-7 and German Middle Age law as described in The Practice of Conceptual History: Timing History, Spacing Concepts p. 251. Islamic [[Religious law]], like Shari'a, is applied in different forms to different degrees, see [[Application of sharia by country]]. Iran has secularized parts of it in their civil code http://www.alaviandassociates.com/documents/civilcode.pdf as has Saudi Arabia https://www.moi.gov.sa/wps/wcm/connect/121c03004d4bb7c98e2cdfbed7ca8368/EN_saudi_nationality_system.pdf?MOD=AJPERES. In addition, age of maturity (with the same meaning as majority) is the term used in: |
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::* Japanese law (Decree 41. 1876 which set the age of maturity at 20) |
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::* [[Bahá'í laws]] http://susangammage.com/bahaiquotes/quotepage.php?Quotes%2FMaturity+-+age+of |
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::* [[Halakha]] (Jewish law) |
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::* Sudan http://www.africanchildforum.org/clr/Legislation%20Per%20Country/South%20Sudan/ssudan_nationality_2011_en.pdf |
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::* Botswana http://www.gov.bw/en/News/Majority-age-reduced-to-18-years-of-age-/ and http://www.elaws.gov.bw/desplaysubsidiary.php?cid=58:01&id=232 (see definition of "child") |
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::* Australia interchanges the terms frequently as exampled here: http://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/FamilyLawCouncil/Documents/Submission%20to%20the%20Australian%20Law%20Reform%20Commission.pdf (though officially the term used is majority) |
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::* Tonga's constitution http://legislation.to/Tonga/DATA/PRIN/1988-002/ActofConstitutionofTonga.pdf |
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::* Iraqi law http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b1e364c2.pdf |
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::* etc |
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::The term is also frequently used, though mostly informally, in inheritance law due to the age of maturity (in relation to trusts) being dictated by the decedent. In western law age of maturity is beginning to be used to mean "of sufficient age and mental maturity" (ie: where laws address a person's maturity and development over ascribing a fixed age). It's often found in association with legal issues of capacity/judgement, emancipation, some aspects of family law, and the application of the death penalty in the US. Overall I believe adding it as an alternate title is justified and the above, I hope, will address [[WP:Undue weight]] concerns. [[User:JMJimmy|JMJimmy]] ([[User talk:JMJimmy|talk]]) 00:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC) |
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Germany
The age of majority of Germany is 18, not 21. It was changed in 1974 from 21 to 18. Source: http://dejure.org/gesetze/BGB/2.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.33.91.54 (talk) 21:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
- done Kisscool57 (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Rendering of map depiction of laws in UK should be updated
From the table on this page it is clear that Northern Island, Wales, and England have an age of majority of 18, and Scotland (Scots Law) has one of 21. The map however leads to the confusing conclusion that there is no age of majority in the British Isles. Given that Scotland is governed by a separate, independent legal tradition, the best solution would be to colour Scotland as 16 and the rest of the UK as 18. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.94.133.4 (talk) 08:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
UK does not include, Isle of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey
Although these are British Isles they are not part of the united Kingdom but are Independent States under the British Sovereign in her capacity (I think - but am not completely certain) as Duke of Normandy.
I regret, I lack the ability to amend the main article but hope someone who reads this willknow how to arrange such an amendment. Tolkny 22:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tolkny (talk • contribs)
DoneFixed. Grouping clarified and ages reduced to 18. I wasn't sure what flag to use for the Crown dependencies, so I left that out. see this edit. 06:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Link to Dutch version
This link should be removed. That link refers to the Dutch adult-wiki. As we all know the difference betweent being an adult and having reached the age of majority are very different things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.61.28 (talk) 18:11, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Discrepancies between photo and data
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Age_of_majority.svg/220px-Age_of_majority.svg.png)
This image shown in this article seriously conflicts with some data in the "Countries and subdivisions" section. The examples are as follows:
- The Philippines: age of majority in photo: 21, in data: 18 (supported by source: [1])
- Argentina: age of majority in photo: 21, in data: 18 (supported by source: [2])
- United Kingdom: age of majority in photo: not supported, in data: differs from devolved country (supported by source [3])
- United States: age of majority in photo: 18, in data: differs from state (supported by source [4])
There might be many more of these but this is what I saw. It would be best to remove the photo completely or create a new photo with more accurate details or include a country's subdivision to provide even more accuracy. stylus59 (talk) 16:11, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
- I would add Albania. The age of Majority is 18 [5].In the photo it is 20 Vargmali (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- And please, add the South Sudan. --201.211.229.106 (talk) 04:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- Removed this picture from the article. I must add that it is a common error to use a color panel instead of a gradient, but color = quality and gradient = quantity, so such a map should be gradient. But the main problem is that mapping this data is irelevent.JackAttackFR (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
- And please, add the South Sudan. --201.211.229.106 (talk) 04:16, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
New Zealand
The New Zealand age of majority is 18. Source: http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/legislation/proposed-bills/50HOH_MEMBILL220_1/age-of-majority-attainment-at-18-years-amendment-bill
South Korea
According to article 4 of the translation of the Korean civil act, the age of majority in Korea is 20. http://www.moleg.go.kr/english/korLawEng?pstSeq=52674&rctPstCnt=3&searchCondition=AllButCsfCd&searchKeyword=civil It would be also good to know if it is "Western age" or "Korean age". Probably Western... --Christian140 (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- As a citizen of South Korea, I can give you an answer to your question. On the 1st of July, the amended Korean civil act was promulgated. According to article 4 of the amended law, one attains majority upon the completion of nineteen full years of age. (This statement is translated by me, so this is not the exact official translation. I could not find an updated version of the web site above and cannot provide an English source. Please add the address of the site if anyone found it.) In summary, the newly revised age of majority in South Korea is 19, in "Western age". --Tsmlee (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
China?
The reference link currently provided for China is apparently only valid for Hong Kong, which as far as I know has a different legal system in many respects. The map shows PR China as having no fixed age of majority. Can somebody clarify? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- The civil law principle states "A citizen aged 18 or over shall be an adult. He shall have full capacity for civil conduct, may independently engage in civil activities and shall be called a person with full capacity for civil conduct.", so, the age of majority is 18. As well, Law of the PRC on Protection of Minors states that "Minors as used in this Law refer to citizens under the age of eighteen." and the constitution states that "All citizens ... who have reached the age of 18 have the right to vote and stand for election, ..., except persons deprived of political rights according to law." --Zhantongz (talk) 21:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Mozambique
Ommitted? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Some very confusing material here
I was curious to see what the age of majority was in the United Kingdom and came here but found it listed under three different age sections. That inconsistency is also true of the United States and I did not check further as to others. I can see how that that might even be technically correct – that it might depend on majority for what purpose, or maybe it varies by state or other division, but then not explaining how it varies and just listing a country in three different places is really quite useless.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- Some countries like the US, Canada, and the UK have political structures that give the individual states/provinces/territories/nations control over civil rights issues like the age of majority. For the UK the age is 18 except in Gibraltar where it's 17. The structure in the article reflects this by listing the country with an indented sublist of the regions of the country where that age applies. JMJimmy (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Removed Accuracy Dispute
Dispute was listed as "contradicted by http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/10/09/iran-saudi-arabia-sudan-end-juvenile-death-penalty re bulugh and hodud" The above article applies the Convention on the Rights of the Child definition of a minor, not the country's own definition. In addition it discusses it in relation to the Age of criminal responsibility which is not the same as the age of majority. Added citation for ages, which are based in Shari’a. JMJimmy (talk) 16:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Alternate Title Dispute
- JMJimmy (talk · contribs), the reason I reverted your addition of "age of maturity" as an alternative title for "age of majority" is per the WP:Alternative title policy (like I told you when reverting you). "Age of maturity" currently redirects to the Coming of age article (if you want to change that, you should take that matter to WP:Redirects for discussion, not simply redirect it yourself, since changing it to redirect to the Age of majority article would obviously be a contested matter). And I am not aware of "age of majority" and "age of maturity" commonly meaning the same thing; yes, this source, which says "age of maturity," is used for "Iran (females)," age 8, and "Iran (males)," age 14, in the article (partly because of your edit), but it gives conflicting information. And even if "age of maturity," in the way that you used it, means the same as "age of majority," it's WP:Undue weight to give that title placement in the lead...considering that it's referring to one country. And regarding what that source states about Sharia, do look at what this IP stated at the LGBT rights in Iran article, "'Islamic Sharia Law applied' doesn't explain anything, laws are addopted by parliament and hudud is based on Jafari sharia."
- Also, hold off on reverting in this case, as you did here; this is per WP:Edit warring and WP:BRD, and especially applies to going against policies.
- NeilN, have you heard of "age of majority" and "age of maturity" commonly meaning the same thing? Flyer22 (talk) 17:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- Flyer22 (talk · contribs) The two terms do hold the same meaning depending on the law and/or region. Historically, Roman law used the age of maturity as described by Paul - Gal 4:1-7 and German Middle Age law as described in The Practice of Conceptual History: Timing History, Spacing Concepts p. 251. Islamic Religious law, like Shari'a, is applied in different forms to different degrees, see Application of sharia by country. Iran has secularized parts of it in their civil code http://www.alaviandassociates.com/documents/civilcode.pdf as has Saudi Arabia https://www.moi.gov.sa/wps/wcm/connect/121c03004d4bb7c98e2cdfbed7ca8368/EN_saudi_nationality_system.pdf?MOD=AJPERES. In addition, age of maturity (with the same meaning as majority) is the term used in:
- Japanese law (Decree 41. 1876 which set the age of maturity at 20)
- Bahá'í laws http://susangammage.com/bahaiquotes/quotepage.php?Quotes%2FMaturity+-+age+of
- Halakha (Jewish law)
- Sudan http://www.africanchildforum.org/clr/Legislation%20Per%20Country/South%20Sudan/ssudan_nationality_2011_en.pdf
- Botswana http://www.gov.bw/en/News/Majority-age-reduced-to-18-years-of-age-/ and http://www.elaws.gov.bw/desplaysubsidiary.php?cid=58:01&id=232 (see definition of "child")
- Australia interchanges the terms frequently as exampled here: http://www.ag.gov.au/FamiliesAndMarriage/FamilyLawCouncil/Documents/Submission%20to%20the%20Australian%20Law%20Reform%20Commission.pdf (though officially the term used is majority)
- Tonga's constitution http://legislation.to/Tonga/DATA/PRIN/1988-002/ActofConstitutionofTonga.pdf
- Iraqi law http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b1e364c2.pdf
- etc
- Flyer22 (talk · contribs) The two terms do hold the same meaning depending on the law and/or region. Historically, Roman law used the age of maturity as described by Paul - Gal 4:1-7 and German Middle Age law as described in The Practice of Conceptual History: Timing History, Spacing Concepts p. 251. Islamic Religious law, like Shari'a, is applied in different forms to different degrees, see Application of sharia by country. Iran has secularized parts of it in their civil code http://www.alaviandassociates.com/documents/civilcode.pdf as has Saudi Arabia https://www.moi.gov.sa/wps/wcm/connect/121c03004d4bb7c98e2cdfbed7ca8368/EN_saudi_nationality_system.pdf?MOD=AJPERES. In addition, age of maturity (with the same meaning as majority) is the term used in:
- The term is also frequently used, though mostly informally, in inheritance law due to the age of maturity (in relation to trusts) being dictated by the decedent. In western law age of maturity is beginning to be used to mean "of sufficient age and mental maturity" (ie: where laws address a person's maturity and development over ascribing a fixed age). It's often found in association with legal issues of capacity/judgement, emancipation, some aspects of family law, and the application of the death penalty in the US. Overall I believe adding it as an alternate title is justified and the above, I hope, will address WP:Undue weight concerns. JMJimmy (talk) 00:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)